You guys are making more than enough noise now based on the sisi gal logi feedback I am trying to find out things right now because while I do now some things there are quite a few unknowns.

But... any anyone enlighten me on why all the heavy bonus hate?

Six of them can be ignored. 750, and 800 have no math to back up your estimate. We don't even know how you got these numbers.

I can never find him.

I was originally a pro gal logi for PC games only....since scouts are useless in PC games.

The reason for the hate is because its not in line with what we originally had. I def understand the annoyance factor involved here though. We lose innate armor repair for a bonus to scanners.

The logi bonuses are totally different that what they were originally, which I expected. However, I imagine this will also come with a PG/CPU nerf to keep slayer logis out of the question. Coupled with the loss of innate repair, only the true "logistics" players will use these suits. I am actually really excited for the minmitar bonus, repair tools that have range will be great for repping scouts out to 50m.

Im totally fine with all the changes they are doing as long as people are allowed a respec

At that rate, I think I will start burning though all my proto gal suits in hopes of a respec, last respec they did not refund any "assets" to the player. So most of it will be useless if you move out of a role.

WHOA WHOA WHOA there, Scouts are amazing in PC. get gud scrub
Seriously, I can't remember the last time my shotgun-scout died without getting at least 1 kill in. Scouts=city dominance in PC doesn't even matter if they're scanned or not- As 2/5 scouts in A.E. don't run dampeners.

who? Are those the guys that went super negative and gave me more proto scouts than I lost the other day? Lol, last time I fought FA, I picked up so many neo-scout gk.0 and fed-scout gk.0s., and 1 actually proto scout suit.

Random thought:

Does anyone else feel like our interaction with the Dev Devs (like Wolfmen or Foxfour) has sharply decreased? Seems like the only blue posts that are posted are from the community team.

Driftwood. All three(?) "high alpha" weapons need a buff. The nova knives the shotgun and the sniper rifle. their STD values are fairly well balanced, but ADV falls short and Proto is barely worth it. (That's why the only proto shotgun and proto sniper I use is the Fed Specialist and state specialist, respectively:p)

Driftwood. All three(?) "high alpha" weapons need a buff. The nova knives the shotgun and the sniper rifle. their STD values are fairly well balanced, but ADV falls short and Proto is barely worth it. (That's why the only proto shotgun and proto sniper I use is the Fed Specialist and state specialist, respectively:p)

*cough*

So.... you wanna post an update to that, mollerz?

This^^ Scouts make a huge difference in PC for the city.


Appia ask some of your corpmates about Jeanne and TTW

4800CM (4.8m) is 100% efficacy 1980cm (19.8m) is 1% efficacy and 2200cm(22m) is 0 damage.

So wow on the Logi changes. Man, that is a wicked nerf to anyone who depends on a logi slayer fit. But I am happy to see Logis becoming more like, well, Logis.

I hope we see some scout stuff soon.

If there is any

Seriously? THAT's what you're going to complain about?
You're not going to say my numbers are wrong.. you're just going to complain they MIGHT be wrong?? EEesh.

Edit: I had just written up long gory details, but I notice that Appia posted after you did, and confirmed that my numbers were correct all along. So no need to be redundant for that.

So, similarly, I was correct when I stated that it takes only TWO HEADSHOTS to take out a heavy.

You wanna acknowlege that finally now, and help put an end to the "Quil just makes up stuff" trash talk about me?

To avoid making this post longer than it needs to, while not having you feel i'm ignoring the rest of your post, I will just mention that I did already respond to Krom's argument about bodyshots vs head that you referenced, back at the time. But rehashing that isnt important to me. Putting an end to the unfair slagging of me, is.

For future reference: I'm a computer programmer. I dont just make junk up. When it comes to numbers and facts, you'd be hard pressed to find someone more picky than me about accuracy of numbers.

I don't want to lose my knife bonus

If you have the numbers and facts, then put them in the post. Easy fix.

As I said, the only confirmation we had for the data was when Appia went and confirmed it.

We shouldn't be proving your data for you.

This whole spiel is getting really out of hand. I am not trying to "slag" you. I just want you to realize that most vets have a "right until proven wrong" mindset. We are going to believe what we already know until proven wrong.

As for the Headshots deal. I still stand by what I said eariler. You shouldn't balance a spreads weapon around it's ability to get headshots. Yes, it only takes two headshots to kill a normal heavy. However, while the data on paper shows it, we still need experimental data.

Have a heavy stand still and shoot him in the head. Do the same from behind. Consider the difficulty of doing this while both parties are moving. Test that as well.

I guess what I am trying to say is this: Be Thorough

You have data, but no work to show for it.
You have solid ideas, but no experiments backing it up.
If you go and flesh out your data and hypothesis, you will have an excellent argument on your hands. Go out and do it.

Prove us wrong.

You must still realize though, at the end of the day, these are all just opinions. You can have math to back it up, but the core of this argument is that shotgun damage is fine, you just have to get headshots. You no longer are relying on the data on paper, but the ability to execute a strategy on a chaotic battlefield. Some strats are great on paper, but terrible in practice.

In my opinion, the shotgun is not a "skill" based weapon (like the sniper rifle or flaylock, which require headshots or body shots to deal the intended damage), and thus, it should not be balanced around it's ability to OHK targets purely on headshots. It's a bloody shotgun, and the "skill" required to use it shouldn't be marksman based, it should be position based. That is why I want to keep it's terrible range, but buff the damage. If I get close, you should be dead. Don't let me get close.

And to end this post: Please don't assume that I am personally attacking you. I try to treat everyone fairly to the best of my ability, and I don't feel at all like I am attacking you on a personal level. I still don't believe I have ever said that you are making data up, I just said that we can't prove the data. I did say that I thought you were trolling us, but that was because I honestly couldn't believe that you thought it was a great idea. Now that I know that you legitimately believe this, I don't think you are trolling, I just disagree with you.

I don't want to lose my knife bonus

I thinky I was in that one? cept not on my scout, logi alt instead. honestly didn't know it was a pc till i was in a squad being brought into the warbarge.
ttw went 16-8, 1235 wp. 7 ringers; 2 nyain san, 2 nyain chan, 2 ae, 1 tickle my null sac XD
jeanne was not in the game though so might of been a diff game than ur thinking of? The most I remember about the game was tanks, tanks everywhere lol.

I don't think that will happen, seems double bonus is the order of the day
May lose the melee bonus in favour of hacking bonus which would make me happy
btw that face looks constipated and should always be followed by this one

In my opinion, the shotgun is not a "skill" based weapon (like the sniper rifle or flaylock, which require headshots or body shots to deal the intended damage), and thus, it should not be balanced around it's ability to OHK targets purely on headshots.

And to end this post: Please don't assume that I am personally attacking you.

I'd like to see the skills reflect the description at least. Much lower Db, much higher melee base damage, and I'd liek to keep the skills as they are.

I can feel the logis on a respec tho, I might want on when the caldari scout comes to be- I am sure I'd rather go that route than ginja.