I can get 20 reps/second with 2 Complex Armor Repairers with the Amarr Logi's current bonus :D And I still have a slot for a Complex Armor Plate and Complex Profile Dampener

1) The gal logi bonus is very worrying. Funny how all the gal logi players are saying it's a terrible bonus.

I can get 20 reps/second with 2 Complex Armor Repairers with the Amarr Logi's current bonus :D And I still have a slot for a Complex Armor Plate and Complex Profile Dampener

Patrick,

Do you anticipate that logis will be worse slayers because of the change?

Patrick,

Do you anticipate that logis will be worse slayers because of the change?

Not really. At least, not the way I use it.


They aren't changing the slot layout, or making Logis carry Sidearms only, so Logis will continue to dominate, but I have a feeling it will be more like the Scrambler Rifle when it came out. It takes more skill to use, so people avoided using it. I think it will take more skill to fit Logis, and therefore more people will go Assault.

But the Gallente Logi bonus is nice....

Not really. At least, not the way I use it.


They aren't changing the slot layout, or making Logis carry Sidearms only, so Logis will continue to dominate, but I have a feeling it will be more like the Scrambler Rifle when it came out. It takes more skill to use, so people avoided using it. I think it will take more skill to fit Logis, and therefore more people will go Assault.

But the Gallente Logi bonus is nice....

As a Gallente slayer logi, I feel qualified to answer this question.

They will perhaps be worse of primarily due to the loss of the inherent 5 HP/s. This may mean that some will fit a report instead of a plate and due to the increased fitting requirements of reps over plates this may have other effects on the fit.

However, make no mistake, the logistics will still be an excellent slayer. Every logi is capable of out tanking, out damaging and outfitting the assault variant.
The loss of certain bonuses may hurt the Amarr and Minmatar logis if they were being used for specific roles (e.g. minlogi speed hackers) but the equipment fitting bonus and new bonuses may aid them. The 25% reduction to fitting requirements for equipment greatly helps the class fit equipment. I have no objection to this but judging by my Gallogi it eases the resources a lot.

Then there are things like the actual equipment bonuses. You're going to be painted for 36 seconds at 21db in some cases. Scanners on Gallogis are not going to be feasible to avoid without horribly gimping your suit. The others may not affect you very much, but that will be a serious concern.

In conclusion - for scouts, the difference will probably not be noticeable. However, we are going to be scanned a lot more.

What they have done is half of what I was thinking they would do, if they implement the other half of that plan (CPU/PG reduction) would that affect the Slayer logi?
The way I see it, this would make things harder to fit Mods but easier to fit EQ. I suppose we won't know until changes to CPU/PG if any.

So logis -> commando or logis -> assault?

Also, scanning bonus may upset the scout community, but I don't see it being more valuable than the nanohive bonus for WP whoring or the uplink for significantly shaping the battle.

As an FYI, when you scan me I'll just move AWAY from your squad and go find another to cherry pick...or target you intentionally. I know how you like to suit on equipment so you won't see an enemy RE... =) The scanner bonus does seem good for a logi supporting a stomp squad, but you can't get scanner bonus AND kill assist, which sucks.

Reducing CPU/PG = instant slayer Logi decrease.

With the current changes pictured, mods will be easier to fit (especially with the ever PG starving Amarr Logi) as the equipment will cost less PG/CPU, thus leaving more left over for good mods.

I'm not sure how I feel about respecs.
Nobody should be shocked that 1. the logi role bonus is getting changed and 2. there are other slayer-oriented suits coming out. They aren't REMOVING the old logi suits, just finally nerfing it like they did the flaylock.
Somebody with eve experience in this matter please weigh in.

Then there are things like the actual equipment bonuses. You're going to be painted for 36 seconds at 21db in some cases. Scanners on Gallogis are not going to be feasible to avoid without horribly gimping your suit. The others may not affect you very much, but that will be a serious concern.
In conclusion - for scouts, the difference will probably not be noticeable. However, we are going to be scanned a lot more.

Agree.

Maybe leave PG, and cut CPU by the same 25%. How would that affect your loadout? Those with FW specialist gear may not be affected, but most others would starts running a lot more adv gear.

Scouts currently give up sidearm, grenades and equipment to fit mods, and voice versa. It might bring a treat to my eye to see logi's having to make the same decision.

How does Eve have support ships that don't outclass the others?

I dont think people are shocked about the changes, but when you went into a suit for a specific bonus, when they change that it means a great deal to your play style. Losing 25% hack bonus is huge to min logi. Especially if they treated it as a fast scout suit. Now its a repair logi suit. Huge difference there. I think its reasonable to offer a respec for that change.

Historically I don't believe EVE players have ever had a respec. If skills are removed they get the SP back, but not if new skills or added or bonuses change. I think this is likely because its MUCH easier to move from one role to another in EVE (couple days) as opposed to Dust were it takes months of grinding.


I think this will greatly impact scouts, currently you can avoid an adv scanner with level 5 racial bonus. You wont be able to do that any longer if this bonus holds true and scanners don't get nerfed. The GalLogi bonus will completely negate the scouts role bonus.

I have no idea about Eve, but cutting CPU would mean I could no longer dual tank ().

I'd be cutting my Armor Repairer (probably) to Advanced, and I might even have to cut my Ishukone Flux Hives to a K-2 for my PC fit. Worst case scenario- I have to cut out all equipment except my Wyirkomi Triage Nanohives so that I can get those things down, or I have to have little to no tank for my Uplink suit :(

I think this will greatly impact scouts, currently you can avoid an adv scanner with level 5 racial bonus. You wont be able to do that any longer if this bonus holds true and scanners don't get nerfed. The GalLogi bonus will completely negate the scouts role bonus.

GalV bonueses:
46dB goes to 35dB
36dB goes to 27dB
28dB goes to 21dB
15dB goes to 12dB

Scanner duration would worst case up to 37 seconds, that a freaking LIFETIME

Honestly, yes. In this super speed TTK game, I'd much rather have 1000+ HP than have 3 equipment slots.


Besides, I'm going Caldari Assault, which will get +5% PER LEVEL of Shield Extender efficiency :D I can get 600+ Shields and drop equipment if I want to.

You get one free pass at me not knifing you in the back, as a thank you
Let us know what you can good sir

Why don't you drop the chicken then?

How does Eve have support ships that don't outclass the others?

Besides, it sounds like someone already got to his chicken.


Shame that CCP just dropped this info without giving the CPM a heads up first.

Besides, it sounds like someone already got to his chicken.


Shame that CCP just dropped this info without giving the CPM a heads up first.

I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi.

Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final.

On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty.

37 seconds activeGǪ and the cool down time if it remains the same on that ******* piece of erGǪ equipment would beGǪ.?

Just going to use Assault suits for this experiment. Very much a generalization.

BASE suit: 180/180 A-1, 210/120 C-1, 120/210 G-1, 150/135 M-1

STD Slots: 2H1L A-1, 2H2L C-1, 2H2L G-1, 3H1L M-1

basic shield extender is 22HP, basic armor plate is 65HP
I'd say Caldari and Gallente are the most prevalent types within them. So lets Shield tank the Caldari and Armor tank the Gallente.

And we'll say Armor Upgrades and Shield Upgrades levels are equal to the suit's pre-reqs.

STD suit: 189/189 A-1, 220/126 C-1, 126/220 G-1, 157/141 M-1

44 shields, 65 armor, 1 repper. Caldari now has 264/192HP and the Gallente have 170/286.

ADV: 207/207 A/1-Series, 241/138 C/1-Series, 138/241 G/1-Series, 172/155 M/1-Series
Slots: 2H2L A/1-Series, 3H/2L C/1-Series, 2H3L G/1-Serie, 3H2L M/1-Series

ADV shield are 33HP(35) and Armor is 115HP(122) +6% from skill

Our Gallente and Caldari are going to use 1 repper and shields and plates of their level.
346/260 Caldari and 208/485 for Gallente

PRO: 225/225 ak.0, 262/150 ck.0, 150/262 gk.0, 187/168 mk.0
Slots: 3H3L ak.0, 4H3L ck.0, 3H4L gk.0, 4H2L mk.0

PRO shields are 66 (72) and PRO plates are 135 (148)

Now I'll be a little more realistic in builds. My ck.0 is 2 complex damage mods and 2 complex shield Extender, With 2 enhanced plate. and 1 complex repairer in the Low. My gk.0 is full Combat, So 3 complex damage mods for that oh-so-fun TTK, 3 complex plates, and a reppairer.

ck.0 HP is 406/402. The gk.0 is 150/706

Lets look at Shotgun Damage. 40, 42, and 44 (with 12 pellets each: 480, 504, and 528)

With +10% to shield and -10% to armor.

264/192HP for caldari vs 480 damage. well, that's more like 237/211 because of the damage type. 237+211= 448.
STD shotgun kills a C-1 assault with basic HP.

170/286 for Gallente vs 480. adjusted = 153/314. 153+314= 467 so OHK again.

ADV: 346/260 Caldari modified to 311/286. 597EHP. 2 shots to kill on any shotgun

and 208/485 modified to 187/533 = 720. so 2 shots with any shotgun.

PRO 406/402. modified 365/442 = 807. Again, 2 shots from any shotgun.

The gk.0 is 150/706 becomes 135/776 so 911EHP. 2 shots on any shotty. But, swaping damage mods for shield extenders on teh Assault gk.0 can give you enough to survive 2 shots from basic shotty but not enough for ADV or PRO.

Logi's are pretty much the same on STD and ADV, but Gal and Cal can take up to 3 shots on any shotgun if fully tanked. which happens a lot.

Minny Assault not looking as bad with proposed changes
- RoF plus DMG mod buffs

Still the 2 low slots will sideline them because of the scanning.

Once again - Scouts info last to drop