How many are 100%
am I the only fool?

I think mustard got me with REs too! He got a two killfeed with me in it. I want to say that it is memorable going toe-to-toe against you guys. I think other scouts should come into our special thread. Some on the channel don't know about this great place. They need a nice shave. lol

Fighting med idiots, it's always the same with them. Boring. Against a scout, the stakes have been quadrupled!

Hola shotty and all. New faces and old.


I got kinda bored with GTA 5 (the knifing is just not the same) and decided to claim 50 free black eagle suits. and the 3 day booster. Took me a while to catch up on this thread. Holy moly! This thread is crazy awesome. Great Job, Shotty! 66k+ views!? Talking about keeping scouting alive :)

I played one match today... everything is a bit weirder than before, but knives work! Despite the clumsiness of not playing for so long I went 13-10. I guess not bad. 10 knife kills tho.. so yea. They are working pretty great! I even had a knife fight with some dude.. Markus I believe. I took him in a fight. It was so funny to immediately get into one. It used to be such a rare thing and he I get into one not even 5 minutes into the match. Mr. Musturd must have people scared of knives because one guy even ran away from me. That, is also, something I thought I'd never see.


I had a **** ton of SPs waiting for me so I kicked my knife prof to lv 5 as well as hacking. I'm not exactly familiar with the new tac net, but it didn't seem to cramp my style. And so shotguns actually work as well? Me and my boy The Ugly might have to jump on tonight and give it a spin. BF4 has been... lacking....

Maybe if CCP keeps this up we'll have some kind of fix for scouts by 2015?


oh yea.. shotty- there's a new scout chat room?

Just hit 20k kills.

I also have scanners at 5, but I only run Advanced tier A-19.
Passive Scan's OK in tight / indoor maps, but short of stacking Range Amps it doesn't cut it when outside.

Moody's a fine Scout ... one of the best ... but on this point, our opinions differ.
If you're aggressive and not stacking armor / shields, the Active Scanner is dang near a necessity.

^ IMHO

Note: I run Compact Hives on my cheap fits. I die more often, but I can afford it if in a Dragonfly or Advanced suit.

Good stuff.


TL;DR
Is it possible to blow up HAVs with knives?

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With my crap gun-game and refusal to run proto (I suspect the latter is due to the former), I may have to resort to troll tactics in the winter carnage event just to keep having fun in DUST. I've had fun with a militia forge gunner fit on occasion, but will favour my scout RE troll fit just coz it feels better to destroy proto mercs as a scout.

Anyway, I think I digressed.

I am curious about something I did a few weeks back. I blew up a LAV (and myself with it) by attacking it with nova knives. It didn't take long, not sure what LAV it was (nobody was in it), probably MLT, and I only have basic knives. But with the fun I've had recently trying to blow up tanks with REs, it's occurred to me that .... is it possible to blow up HAVs with knives?

I am tempted to dump ~500K of SP I've got saved for CPU level 5 into knives. Dunno if that'll get me up to proto but....i want to run advanced anyway.....

If a proto knife, charged, double swipe can deal 800 damage..........anyone tried this?

No stinking way.
Musturd, Moody?

In other words, you're trying to use this thread as a way to organize scout protostomping.

Shame on you.

That is not entirely true, the proto scout can very well proto stomp mlt and standard mercenaries. It becomes more challenging and should be against advanced and proto assault types. Here the scout has to play smart to beat the stronger assault builds and use his advantage in speed and stealth to win. A proto scout can easily outtank and outdamage militia builds, no need to play smart, just use tachnet to avoid bigger groups of new players.

I say we run our proto scout squad in FW if we can agree on which faction to fight for.

But scout protostomping as a group of caldari logi can is not possible

They don't get side arms people are saying they should only carry side arms.

Musturd!!! o/ you gonna be on later? Need some training on the knives

Are sure you haven't maxed out earning proto knives yet? If anyone could hit 1k Zn kills by now it'd have to be you. You should switch back to ishnoks and earn dem fancy pink suits to sell later.

Wasn't there supposed to be another nova knife improvement in 1.7?

Brothers,

The Scout Registry / Killboard will be officially closed on December 9th.

The Killboard will receive its final update on close date.
Future Killboard updates will no longer be applied.
Pending and Future Applicants will not be added.

It was an honor to serve you, and I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors.

Sincerely,
Shotty GoBang

@ Oswald
Good to know. Thanks for looping me in.

@ Quil
I spent six months "educating" folks on this subject.
I failed to leave a lasting impression, clearly, but not for lack of effort.
You'd have me cover all of this again? Regurgitate six months of feedback? On demand?

@ Scout Vets
This thread's gone to sh*t. Apologies. How do we fix?
Best we vets leave and let the noobs debate theory amongst themselves?
Best we vets stick around to slap noobs about when they say stupid things?

It turns out that both the Gallente and Minmatar scouts interest me equally - speed-shield tanking my Minmatar suits appeals but so does the awareness of the range-amped Gallente scout.

I've really been having fun in the less challenging matches with scouts - instead of being a tryhard with a proto medframe I find myself running a standard scout with kincats and dancing circles around people.

I have to confess that I often still default to old habits when getting stomped by squads. Perhaps I'll do this less as my scoutly skills improve, but for now it's a rather lethal surprise when people bring out their focused scanners.


I have a few questions about the Minmatar scout.
I'm really, really enjoying the speed I get from kincats - but with only two low slots, how viable do you think it is to do this? The fits I've seen often feature things such as CPU extenders and regulators - I like the idea of using regulators but I never find it quite as satisfying as that speed I get from kincats. I've also found that with a cardiac regulator I never seem to need to stop running - but that really is a luxury and isn't particularly useful.

Complex shield extenders seem to be an absolute necessity. So I ask you scoutly friends - How do you fit your Minmatar scouts? Do you use kincats? Regulators? What equipment do you use? I'm liking the remote explosives but with a nanohive I can stay on field for longer.

I'm using a combat rifle and knives at the moment. I'm unable to use the Ishukones, but I can use the Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle.

If there is any

Do REs stick to enemy infantry?

Err.. are you claiming NK range is 3 meters??? Seems a whole lot shorter than that. more like 1.
So should be difference of 4m range?

Not one to refute mustard in regards to NK, but here is how I found this info.
When the "fixed" knives last time I had a few knife fights with a Geisha corp Minja. She dropped me the first two times at 3mGǪ and I was The next time we crossed paths in the match I got her. Next time I found a sniper i checked the rangeGǪ i was 3m and doing damage enough to drop a Med suit sniping. It may not be optimal damage but it does at least 700 dmg charged with Advanced.
I suspected it was part of how they changed the arc, or whatever they did to fix detection.

Nova Knives should come in ammo pools of 16, be throwable and retrievable, and have splash damage on successful impact.

Yes.

doing a leroy jenkins into the middle of a full squad and blowing with REs


Post your top scores! My best so far is 4

Edit: the best is when its a heavy/logi duo.
But do it now, cause in 1.8, heavies will be able to survive an RE blast!

I didn't knew about this thread (I just past around the announcements most of the time). I wanna call out a friend who only runs scout, he can't speak english but he sure can run inside a building with 4 guys in it and kill them all just with nova knifes an a suit with less than 400hp.

His name is Asudem 00 and has 46.5k kills as of now, his playstyle is something I haven't seen since I entered the beta. Runs around with nova knifes and a sniper rifle (occasionally goes for the scramble pistol because of lag issues), he and his brother Ocra Leraint (he runs assault minmatar unfortunately) I think are the only ones who can quick-scope in this game (that I've seen ...and experienced :X). I have all my respects for both.

Me and Asudem have opposite game perspectives ( I like to go in and take as many kills and bullets I can) but seeing him charging at my side with a suit 1/2 of my hp and a sniper rifle makes this post calling him out the least I can do.

Does he get bodyshots, or headshots, most of the time? can you tell?

mr mustard, you should watch sleepy zan go to town in his assault suit and sniper rifle or he said he was investing in sout again back in october/novemeber IIRC. He's still around and has been a quick scoper since closed beta.

ugh. So i tried out a ADV Minnie with 2 enhanced shield extender, covenant sniper rifle, zn-28 nova knives, M1-locus, k-2 nanohive, basic dampener, complex cardiac regulator.

went 0/5. KITTENS INVISIBLE HEAVIES

@ Llast
I believe I can sell this to musturd. He'll be allover the movement improvements. That, and there is very little if any actualized loss to high-end knifing (as HP pools only climb so high).

Edit: I've cleaned up the proposal a 'bit. The latest versions are in right-most position. Let me know what you think.

@ All
Proposal link is now on the front page for easy access. If you've yet to weigh in, please do so. The more brains and feedback we get on this the better. o7

Hey Musturd!
You've gotta see the metrics before you make that call ...

+1% to sprint speed and strafe speed per level
+4% to walk speed and jump distance per level
+5% codebreaker efficacy per level
+CBs switched to highs

* Less backpedal bullsh*t.
* Better jump+charges.
* Better evasive maneuvers / top speeds.
* More ninja. Less vanilla. Still the best at knifing.

As for knives themselves, everyone will hit at a good enough base to get the job done (w/proficiency)...

* Std) 90 ---> 100
* Adv) 150 ---> 175
* Pro) 200 ---> 225

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The plan was to give you guys the tools you need to get in and get out faster, detected or not.
So ... do you think this could this work?

Fair enough. The PG is probably gonna happen through different means. I expect them to add fitting optimization to NK skill tree, and there's a chance they'll move PG extenders to highs as well. Maybe Logibro will dial back resource req's on NKs as well ... no telling.

Anyhow, I'm sure not gonna force more ninja on the minmatar if the pros don't want it!

If Moody and Ghost are in agreement with you, then that's that. The hacking bonus will be rewired as your "built-in" bonus and the nova knife bonus as your derived bonus. I will say that Moody and Ghost have both said separately that NKs aren't useful in PC due to hit-detection being unreliable in PC...that they really only use them in pubs. I took this to mean they'd prefer something else.

So ... if Moody and Ghost both favor the proposed changes, might you be willing to change your mind?

I was careful to keep that bonus as low as possible (only 1% per level). You're looking at a maximum of around 0.25 m/s change in strafe and around a 0.5 m/s change in sprint.

My thinking is we could put these small numbers through and immediately undue them if it breaks you guys. We'd still keep the movement and jump at 4% so you'll still be ninjas and less screwed by backpedalers.

EDIT: at the end of the match, 0.H won but I sent a mail telling him I got more NK kills than him

I run IshNoKs in PC. They've been treating me well when I'm on the offensive trying to take out defenders

Scout Polish Proposal (v3) updated in response to Musturd's feedback.

* Minmatar bonus to sprint and strafe traded for innate hack bonus
* Minmatar bonus to codebreakers traded for derived NK bonus
* Minmatar NK bonus restored, but reduced (see table for details)
* Minmatar prereq (move CBs to Hi) eliminated
* Amarr derived bonus to light armor decreased from +5% to +4%

Discuss.

Musturd, knives get scouts killed if they aren't Minmatar. Improving knives would improve gameplay, not to mention address disparity between NK and SG usage among Scouts. We can't keep Knives bad indefinitely. Rattati will eventually buff them; we're just one step ahead of him. Remember the Logibro thread.

Minmatar will absolutely remain the best at knifing. The bonuses to base movement and jump would be a huge help and alot of fun (right?). We could even try to increase derived bonus from 10% to 15%, but then we're asking for a NK buff which is harder to sell. Frankly, you're not looking at any realistic difference in damage as is ... the numbers barely move at all.

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Work with me, Musturd. There are alot of unhappy Minmatar Scouts out there and I'm trying to make things better for them. Just because you're awesome doesn't mean they don't need love. Give us love, Musturd.

We're focusing on non-EWAR improvements this round; too much can go wrong. We spent a whole month in that bowl of spaghetti. In the end though, I don't think we'll be able to help the Minmatar e invisible so we should focus on what we can do for him

My original proposal focused on improving your evasives and sprint speed. You said yourself, "you can scan me, but then you'll have to catch me" ... that was actually the inspiration behind the original workup (it wasn't Gav).

That said, I can't give you 5 bonuses and everyone else 2. So make up your mind d*mnit :-)

They certainly aren't good. I'm at Pro(4) and landed a double charge right in the back of a Pro GalSentinel. Followed up with second slash and which must've missed as I was dead before I could do anything else. That's reality for non-Minmatar.

Proficiency 5 Ishnoks (Non-Minja)
Swipe - 230
2x Swipe - 460
Charged Swipe - 920
Charged 2x Swipe - 1840

In my book, the more Scouts use knives the more Scouts will have fun playing Dust. Either way, I'll revisit the numbers and dial 'em back a 'bit to widen the gap between Minmatar and non-Minmatar.

It was during Hotfix Alpha. And I was running two complex damage amps!

Anyhow, I've updated the Proposal and vetoed Nova Knife changes.
We'll let Rattati and Logibro handle that however they deem appropriate.

Minmatar Scout v3.1

* Restored order to Minmatar (same NK and Hack as present).
* Added 1% bonus to all movement metrics; let the kids be ninjas, Musturd.
* Added new Prerequisite: Add Fitting Optimization to NK Skilltree.

I always get stuck on the EOM after matches that I do really well in, so that myself (or, more importantly, my squadmates) can't see it.

I was just in a match whilst squadded with musturd. Only died once and racked up what must have been 20-25 kills; I wanted him to see it...

[Yes, Pseudo, I did use that semi-colon correctly xD]

seriously dude, just suck his sack already...

Still on the fence. Good points were made on both sides, though many reservations were left unaddressed in the "do it naow" thread.

Hey musturd, you have a fan.

Speccing into all caldari suits....i think i've gone crazy

but i like it

keeping the minja, as always.

We have an extra few spots sometimes. If any regulars would like to join us in a PC and see our good and bad methods hit me up in our D.A.R.K channel when you see me on and I will invite you to our PC channel. Then just x up when we're forming up and I'll get you in if we have a spot.

Edit: sometimes it's useful to see how others do things and take what you like of their methods. We aren't what we were and are still ironing out some kinks currently but the invitation stands.

Probably a little under half of the old guard. Superjoe has recently returned after being gone for awhile and is working at getting used to the changes.

I'll put a post up when our next PC is and your welcome to fight with us again. We had some fun fights back in the day.

We should run a few pubs sometime, I've gotten much better with the NK's and we could have fun knifing.

I dropped the ball FC-wise. Didn't anticipate the possibility that Delt (dropship ferry) might spawn in the wrong place (I did say ground spawn, right?) ... and I had no backup plan for clearing those pesky rooftop mass drivers. Even if things had gone perfectly from the start, I don't know that we could've pulled off a victory against OH. Probably would've beat the guys we attacked though. Tough to say.

Nah, we attacked a lower tier corp. OH rang for 'em.

Dreis, your minscout does not stand a chance against a Galscout. Don't make me whip out my shotty and pwn you.

when you 2v1 shruikan and regnier with a cal assault, and get a GG




possibly the single best burn i've seen in a while...musturd idk if you remember but i got to play PC with nega, he is damn good!

I am now king of Smash Doubles. The new Ken and Isai has risen!

Future saturday PCs are in jeopardy of vahzz not showing up because of Smash tradition.

I'm a kirby main

My poor little fluffball has never quite been the same since SSB64 ;__;