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Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 174	Posted - 2014.01.03 04:53:00 - [5911] - Quote ^ if CCP radically changes the scout tree, I would bet a Sierra Nevada torpedo we be getting a respec. [quote=mollerz] No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit.[/quote]
mollerz Minja Scouts 1536	Posted - 2014.01.03 05:09:00 - [5912] - Quote Kahn Zo wrote: ^ if CCP radically changes the scout tree, I would bet a Sierra Nevada torpedo we be getting a respec. I'll raise you a fat tire they don't. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 889	Posted - 2014.01.03 06:17:00 - [5913] - Quote Ruthless Lee wrote: Spademan wrote: This guy seems to be saying that scouts should be AV suits. Does that sound stupid to anyone else? Yes. I threw my comments in the mix as well.... I'm definitely not in favor of giving scouts bonuses to A/V, especially if it involves re-tuning suit bonuses or base stats so the suits would be less effective at being generalist infiltration, recon and assassination platforms. Having a dedicated A/V suit would be much better technically, as Krom suggested. I'd rather CCP focus on increasing the current scout utility, not going down a side-road with the suit....
Oswald Rehnquist 989	Posted - 2014.01.03 11:06:00 - [5914] - Quote Since there is talk of a new thread, I wanted to add this. Personally, the biggest excitement and dread for scouts should be cloaks, and I am a big cloak supporter, as in I want them in the game, but I fear them all the same (which means I'll defend them when they are attacked, and chip away at a pro thread, so be warned when cloaks get nearer and we start seeing more threads). The Pros are obvious enough with CCP fleshing out the rest of the racial line ups with it, and since most if not all of us are scouts I don't have to go into detail how wonderful this could be, but what I'm worried about in particularly, is the potential dumbing down of the scout to get destroyed like the logi suit, by destroyed I mean the very reason why "Logi Bro" no longer runs logis, because its sheer raw power vs its suppose niche role which draws those chasing the path of least resistance making it easily the most populous suit. Considering how long the logi's "niche" suit has been non niche, and how strongly it is defended, I'm worried about how long it would take to "redeem" the scout into a more tactical role should cloaks come in overpowered, this would attract all the lazy logi slayer to become very lazy slayer scouts (no/little positioning/movement/tracking talent required), should the cloak invalidate smart movement. Essentially, I don't want cheapened slayer scouts popping out of this to easily, and would take a slightly under powered cloak to begin with to prevent this, which others may want more forward slayer scouts or light assaults, which is fine if that is the case, just don't see eye to eye on this which isn't the end of the world. But another side effect of too strong a cloak would mean more focus scanners, which invalidate scouts with or without cloaks, and with the possibility of not having that profile reduction on all scouts, its something to think about, especially since they are easier to fit. Thus I am interesting in discussing how cloaks should be introduced and if we are wanting a popular suit in a slayer scout suit or with keeping the scout niche because that would determine how it should be introduced. Considering how well last time went I don't expect too many replies (if any), but to help delay that here are a few organizing questions I have, otherwise I'll just throw this out directly to the general public at a later date. (also if you have more questions to add that you'd like us to answer that would be cool to throw them out as well as to add the to the list when I throw it out into the general population). 1) Any implementation of cloaks will have some sort of simplification of tactics, how much is acceptable? (not really an easy question to answer) 2) Thoughts on scouts becoming most effective as a forward slayer charging cloak unit? (the potential lowest common denominator to result from the cloak) 3) Should there be an offensive trade off from running cloaks? Why / Why not? It is 3 am, so I am going to prematurely apologize for any grammar or spelling errors. Below 28 dB
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 890	Posted - 2014.01.03 11:26:00 - [5915] - Quote Oswald - I have the same fears about cloaks, except with none of the excitement about their pending introduction to the game. I'll give your post a more solid look tomorrow. I was just thinking you may want to pop in here and give this new scout some advice on scouting without scoutly skills in a particular suit. I recall you have mentioned a few times you were waiting for racial variants and were running a dragonfly w/ no Gallente skills - this dude may want to do the same to get some practice in prior to the cloak introduction. Your name came to mind when I was reading his post. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133398&find=unread
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 433	Posted - 2014.01.03 14:21:00 - [5916] - Quote mollerz wrote: Kahn Zo wrote: ^ if CCP radically changes the scout tree, I would bet a Sierra Nevada torpedo we be getting a respec. I'll raise you a fat tire they don't. Problem is I don't want to bet on a respec as those are rarely given. Plus you saw the rage people had when pilots got respec and others did not. I just don't hold my breath. Instead I will put it into support skills. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
Scout Registry 249	Posted - 2014.01.03 14:55:00 - [5917] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: - snip - 1) Any implementation of cloaks will have some sort of simplification of tactics, how much is acceptable? (would would cloaks allow you to do and what limitations would cloaks have) 2) Thoughts on scouts becoming most effective as a forward slayer charging cloak unit? (the potential lowest common denominator to result from the cloak) 3) Should there be an offensive trade off from running cloaks? Why / Why not? I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment (snipped). A healthy +1 from me to you :-) 1) Even the stealthiest among us would benefit from more cover. We excel at remaining unseen in facilities and sockets, but we're at massive disadvantage when in the open. I'd like to that cloak -- if used properly -- might help a tactically minded scout move from cover to cover unscathed, from cover to flanking position undetected, and from takedown back to the shadows with the enemy none the wiser. 2) The meatheads aren't interested in effort or tactics. They will stick to their low-risk, high-reward GalLogis and Tanks. If I'm wrong, and cloak is too strong, then it will indeed be a sad day for Scouts; Hard Mode will have lost its identity. To date, we're yet to know the first thing about cloak. The fact that Cloak has been in development for so long leads me to believe that CCP has been working hard to bring it into balance. One can hope. 3) Certainly not in advance. In competitive settings, veteran Scouts must forgo modules which boost tactical edge in favor of modules which boost armor and shields; in other words, the Scout is already compensating for too severe a preexisting offensive tradeoff -- this may be not be evident in the Academy, but is quite plainly evident in PC. I believe we are already at risk of additional offensive tradeoff; a Scout seeking to be "cured" by cloak very well may be asked to no longer use hives, REs, scanners and uplinks.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 648	Posted - 2014.01.03 15:00:00 - [5918] - Quote mollerz wrote: lol. Do you even know what attacking means? Apparently, YOU dont. mollerz wrote: don't listen to Quil. He ... When you tell people not to listen to ME specifically, instead of addressing the issue.. that's attacking ME. Since you dont seem to even comprehend how rude you're being to me.. how about you simply just refrain from referring to me, either directly, OR INDIRECTLY, in the future. That means no more 'blah blah.. Quil .. blah blah', AND no 'blah blah "That Guy" blah " type references either. Have an opinion on an issue I write about? Great. Write about the issue.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 648	Posted - 2014.01.03 15:15:00 - [5919] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: But another side effect of too strong a cloak would mean more focus scanners, which invalidate scouts with or without cloaks, FYI, some encouragement in that reguard. I'm betting most people here have never run the duvolle focused. I hadnt myself, until recently. It's not like the nice ADV quantum one. It has a HORRIBLY LONG cooldown time, and a relatively short lightup time. I think you'd have to run 3 of them, to have no window of vulnerability. They're 30K a pop. So unless CCP lowers the prices, I still dont see them becoming commonplace. (sadly, though, I could well see them lowering the price, specifically to offset cloaks )
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 341	Posted - 2014.01.03 15:19:00 - [5920] - Quote I swear people bring them out just to mess with me. Btw fatty with hmg and 3 damps is hehehrhehehehehehe Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! Renegade minja fighting for the empress

Llast 326 An Arkhos 1066	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:20:00 - [5921] - Quote WellGÇª CCP Saberwing wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Im bettin' middle o Feb or early March. We don't have the date nailed down just yet, but will let you guys know when we do. We've openly said a few times that overall racial parity is something we'd like to push for, and CCP Remnant's devblog hinted at some love coming towards Scouts. Much of the dev team has been away on vacation so it's difficult for me to communicate exactly what is at the top of their lists, but I'd hope you can expect something along those lines. :) From here Racial parityGÇª. and scout hugsGÇª. KRRROOOOOOM
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 650	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:01:00 - [5922] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: WellGÇª .... From here Racial parityGÇª. and scout hugsGÇª. Following that all the way back to http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/interview-with-ccp-remnant/ I'd say the only thing coming for scouts in 1.8, is cloaks. except it isnt specifically for scouts, and you'll have to give up your equipment slot for it!!!
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 343	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:08:00 - [5923] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: WellGÇª CCP Saberwing wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Im bettin' middle o Feb or early March. We don't have the date nailed down just yet, but will let you guys know when we do. We've openly said a few times that overall racial parity is something we'd like to push for, and CCP Remnant's devblog hinted at some love coming towards Scouts. Much of the dev team has been away on vacation so it's difficult for me to communicate exactly what is at the top of their lists, but I'd hope you can expect something along those lines. :) From here Racial parityGÇª. and scout hugsGÇª. o/ \o \o/ Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! Renegade minja fighting for the empress
Scout Registry 249	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:25:00 - [5924] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Llast 326 wrote: WellGÇª .... From here Racial parityGÇª. and scout hugsGÇª. Following that all the way back to http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/interview-with-ccp-remnant/ I'd say the only thing coming for scouts in 1.8, is cloaks. except it isnt specifically for scouts, and you'll have to give up your equipment slot for it!!! Following that all the way back to July 4th, 2013 (Uprising 1.2): We are planning on giving Scout role some love in the future. We can see their performance dropping in game overall. - Cmdr Wang Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1009985#post1009985 Exciting! It'll definitely be our turn in 1 ... .3 of August .4 of September .5 of October .6 of November .7 of December ... said Shotty GoBang. I'll believe it when I can strap it to my suit and kill with it.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1540	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:30:00 - [5925] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: mollerz wrote: Kahn Zo wrote: ^ if CCP radically changes the scout tree, I would bet a Sierra Nevada torpedo we be getting a respec. I'll raise you a fat tire they don't. Problem is I don't want to bet on a respec as those are rarely given. Plus you saw the rage people had when pilots got respec and others did not. I just don't hold my breath. Instead I will put it into support skills. Not even bet a beer? We won't say anything if you bet a PBR You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
mollerz Minja Scouts 1540	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:46:00 - [5926] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: mollerz wrote: lol. Do you even know what attacking means? Apparently, YOU dont. mollerz wrote: don't listen to Quil. He ... When you tell people not to listen to ME specifically, instead of addressing the issue.. that's attacking ME. Since you dont seem to even comprehend how rude you're being to me.. how about you simply just refrain from referring to me, either directly, OR INDIRECTLY, in the future. That means no more 'blah blah.. Quil .. blah blah', AND no 'blah blah "That Guy" blah " type references either. Have an opinion on an issue I write about? Great. Write about the issue. Well, I never attacked you. That's pretty feeble on any level to be considered an attack. I'm always pumped to get a new knifer in the ranks, and wanted to give him some tips. He obviously had some enthusiasm to write a scout positive analysis from the perspective of a knifer scout. All I saw was you insisting he add to your thread, as if your thread was the end all and first ever scout thread. As he was new to the community, I wanted to encourage him to ditch your badgering of how he should do his scout thread, and where and write up what he wanted as he wanted. It's not cool to insert yourself like that on someone new to the community, IMHO. So you get to be rude? but I have to speak as you want. And everyone has to add to your scout thread. What a ncie bubbly life you must have been raised in. Here's hwo it is going to really go down. You are goign to be welcoming to new scouts. You can choose to participate in debates with new ideas, and understand your ideas are not the best ones always. I will always point out who you are and what you are doing to a new scout if you are bullying his ideas. So get used to it In essence, grow up. I am assuming you are just some kid somewhere based on your super weird overly homophobic comments to me, so I am not reporting it. But you should really sit down and look at what you write. You are going way overboard on me over very specious "attacks", as you say, on my part. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1067	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:52:00 - [5927] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Llast 326 wrote: WellGÇª .... From here Racial parityGÇª. and scout hugsGÇª. Following that all the way back to http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/interview-with-ccp-remnant/ I'd say the only thing coming for scouts in 1.8, is cloaks. except it isnt specifically for scouts, and you'll have to give up your equipment slot for it!!! The implication that we may see all suits soon is pretty cool. (not having my hopes up on this as I know very well how CCP works) And even if all we see is cloaks (which i doubt is all that is coming) I don't actually have a problem with everybody having access to them. As far as giving up the equipment slot, that is not a concern for me. It's just another tool, I do not require it now to function as a scout. The cloak will just add another dimension that I can use to accomplish the goals I have on the battlefield. KRRROOOOOOM
J0LLY R0G3R Tickle My Null-Sac 287	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:58:00 - [5928] - Quote <--- cares zero about cloaks. X( XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 175	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:10:00 - [5929] - Quote mollerz wrote: Kahn Zo wrote: ^ if CCP radically changes the scout tree, I would bet a Sierra Nevada torpedo we be getting a respec. I'll raise you a fat tire they don't. I like this guy! [quote=mollerz] No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit.[/quote]
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1067	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:10:00 - [5930] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: <--- cares zero about cloaks. X( You are OP in a scout suit as it is What would you like to see for a buff Personally I want to see CPU/PG increase (particularly for the Min), and a better slot layout (ideally an extra slot) KRRROOOOOOM

Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 160	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:26:00 - [5931] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: J0LLY R0G3R wrote: <--- cares zero about cloaks. X( You are OP in a scout suit as it is What would you like to see for a buff Personally I want to see CPU/PG increase (particularly for the Min), and a better slot layout (ideally an extra slot) I'm with you .... all I really want is a bump in CPU/PG ... and for my advanced G scout to have the slots changed to one high and three low... Though an extra slot would be really nice, too.
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 168	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:31:00 - [5932] - Quote Psst, guys. Guess who got herself unbanned? CCP Logibro. is my hero.
pseudosnipre 434	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:32:00 - [5933] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: <--- cares zero about cloaks. X( <--- Cares 1000x more about stamina, sprint speed, and jump height. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1431	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:34:00 - [5934] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Psst, guys. Guess who got herself unbanned? Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's Grand Bazaar 2538	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:40:00 - [5935] - Quote Kahn Zo wrote: mollerz wrote: Kahn Zo wrote: ^ if CCP radically changes the scout tree, I would bet a Sierra Nevada torpedo we be getting a respec. I'll raise you a fat tire they don't. I like this guy! I would raise you a Sierra IPA but I like Torpedos. They hit hard. Does anyone remember those red Caldari flags in Manus Peak in early (pretranquility) chromosome?
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's Grand Bazaar 2538	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:41:00 - [5936] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Psst, guys. Guess who got herself unbanned? Lance Armstrong? Does anyone remember those red Caldari flags in Manus Peak in early (pretranquility) chromosome?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1067	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:45:00 - [5937] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Psst, guys. Guess who got herself unbanned? I am going to miss Casspia KRRROOOOOOM
J0LLY R0G3R Tickle My Null-Sac 291	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:47:00 - [5938] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Psst, guys. Guess who got herself unbanned? Now taking bets on how long that lasts XD XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1432	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:47:00 - [5939] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: Psst, guys. Guess who got herself unbanned? I am going to miss Casspia Don't worry. I'm sure it won't be long until we see her again. Any bets on how long Appia will last before getting banned again? Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 344	Posted - 2014.01.03 22:47:00 - [5940] - Quote All I want is client to server to be either stable or ****. That semi lag where people are 1 foot to where I see them is much worse to picture book. I can deal with picture book. But I can't deal with bullets coming 2 feet to the right of a red and not from him. Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! Renegade minja fighting for the empress



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