100% true. But in that situation you know what is going to come. Once you get within 30m or whatever of a Dom objective, yes, put up that rep and get ready for hell to rain down. But, say, in skirmish, going from one point to another, it's pure folly not to have your weapon at the ready.

Ccp threw teamwork out the window as soon as the cloak was introduced.

Funny because another member of the CPM sounds like he wants the game to be focused on Solo Players, which is cancerous thinking.

Teamwork > Random Blues that don't know what they are doing.

Working together makes New berries better just by communication, that's how new guys get better. Not being solo, that rarely works and when it does they mostly just become snipers that think that's the only thing to do in this game.

Hells yeah I do. You'd better believe I was one of those fools.

I wasn't contradicting, just adding.

I wasn't contradicting, just adding.

The problem with the unarmed logi is the same as the slow turning heavy back in beta. A feeling of impotence.

When you cannot make even a token gesture of defiant bloodshed against an attacker you don't fell like a valuable team member. You feel like a victim. No one plays vidya games to be the victim unless they need serious psych help.

IMHO the logi needs to have the speed of a assault so they can respond to changing situations, reach downed allies quickly and get behind cover (like a sentinel) when the shooting starts.

They need to be more efficient in using equipment than combat suits. This is imperative, even if that means nerfing equipment and bonusing logis to use them at full efficacy. The only exceptions to this rule would be scanners and explosives.

Logistics need to not be able to field assault level tank. This was the direct cause of the slayer logi. End. Stop. Look no further for the cause.

Logistics do not fare well in a solo pubstar environment because blueberries are idiots. A logistics fit properly costs almost 50%more than a comparable sentinel or assault suit. Losing said fits because your dingleberry allies cannot comprehend that they need to wait up is intensely frustrating.

Logistics are mostly ignored by friendly players except sentinels. The sentinel/logi pair is a natural because fatboy is the only ally the suit can keep up with. The sentinel benefit from logi reps more than other suits and more WP can be earned shoving fat intestines back in fat bellies because the HP pool is deep and guardian awards are plentiful.

But logi play is stagnant. Most logi suitas are tourist fits used to spam equipment then frag off to a killer fit because no one wants to be a victim, or to tether themselves to sone donut-munching HMG heavy who may or may not understand which way the weapon is supposed to be pointed.

Logis are not incentivized to be pro squad players because the squads leave them In the dust with the fatsuits who are relegated to protecting cap points and playing squad bait.

Remember when mass driver logis were a primary support staple to assault squads?

Good times.

Because this is one of the most complete single post summaries of current logi related troubles that I have had the opportunity to read.

o7

The the changes, and now my proto MD sits on a shelf 99% of the time.

Take it off the shelf.

I'm going to say two words, and I'm going to let the implications sink in and make you cackle insanely:

Scout Hunting.

*considers*...
results =
*goes to build fit*

*considers*...
results =
*goes to build fit*

Watches Cross from that dark corner of his Merc Quarters

We always knowGǪ

Take it off the shelf.

I'm going to say two words, and I'm going to let the implications sink in and make you cackle insanely:

Scout Hunting.

Logistics Mk.0

Injectors:
WP as incentive is nice,but if a MLT frame can walk up and tap O to negate your Pro needle then the problem still remains.
Doesn't really help shield tankers.
-Need a needle priority system that uses the HIGHEST level needle when reviving.
-Possibly reduce the amount of armor refilled and give a comperable amount of shields instead.

Rep tool:
Neon "kill me" sign.
Can't outrep a MLT weapon with a Pro rep tool.
Places logistics firmly on the frontlines of combat with its insanely short reach.
Provides 0 incentive other than WP farming.
Allies don't know they're being repaired.
Doesn't really help shield tankers.
-Remove the rep tool line to aid in logistics survival,leave the lock on boxes.
-Give damage resistance while using (something like 65% to all damage)
-Increase range by dramatic amounts for the logistics class.
-Return the rep tool glow,but have it work like hit detection so an ally can see which side they are being repaired from
-Negate shield recharge delays while used on allies,or recharge 25% of shields per hp/s restored. (eg sixkin 88 hp/s so 25% of 88) possibly reduce armor repair rate to compensate. Presto a rep tool that helps shield and armor.

Hives - Any-
Too easily destroyed by any stray explosions.
Low carrying capacity.
Low refilling amounts. (nanites)
Annoying when a MLT frame stands on top throwing grenades at no one to use them faster.
-Explosive resistance increase so it actually takes effort to destroy them.
-+1 carried per level logistics bonus
-Increased nanites -or- burst variants that refill faster but have lower nanites (think compact nanohives).
-Disable grenades being refilled

Scanners:
Dat cooldown.
-Nuff' said

Uplinks:
Actually alright

R.E.s:
The description says volitile chemicals yet i see scouts throw them from hights taller than their own suit,and sling them as if they are throwing frisbees.
Are considered equipment yet can be refilled at nanohives.
-Have them explode killing only the thrower if dropped from too high a height or slung with too much momentum
-Disable refilling from hives

Logistics suits:
30 more eHP than a scout
Slower than heavier tanked mediums
Bigger hitbox despite having less eHP
Doesn't have the best regen despite having less eHP
Doesn't have the best eHP despite its speed.
When run as a support unit it costs easily 2x as much with 1/2 the survival


Since logistics has more in common with scouts (ewar,equipment) logistics should be made to mimic them.

-Keep the low eHP but in exchange give speed/stamina,regen amount and speed,and a smaller hitbox.
This way it establishes a theme,support is fast and evasive,while killing is strong and durable.

-Cut equipment costs by 50% minimal



Based on personal experience,i would prefer to be harder to hit with better regen than have higher eHP.
eHP just makes it too tempting to fight instead of support.

So, if the equipment cost is off the table then there's no need for the balancing reductions in cpu and pg correct?

The 80hp from sheet 1 I think better serves our survivability purpose than the 40 hp from sheet 2, especially once those hp are divided between shield and armor. 20 extra hp either side isn't enough additional buffer for the high fire conditions that ignite on contested points/choke areas. 20 extra points would wind up being an extra .5 seconds of survival... really not enough. We've established that with the new bonusing to weaponry/base stats other suits have been buffed with in recent months slayerlogis are almost impossible to recreate so why not the full 80 (or even 100?) hp? Even on suits that equal Assaults on one side, shield or armor, the Assault hp total is still greater in all cases.

Sheet get updated yet?