I remember the disabling of shared passives last year, but that was for team sharing because the visible chevron element was too much for some people. Without a range indicator, the screen being occupied by 16 floating indicators was considered cluttered.

Uprising 1.4 Patch Notes:
* Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads)

Link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1210968#post1210968

(honestly I still have a taste for the grown up version of reps seen by our sky clad counterparts in EVE, but that idea may be seen as too radical ).

...vision for squads [plural] disabled...

Squad datapooling should be a basic element of gameplay in this setting, as it is now.

In EVE it's about what, +150% bonus to reps per level of Logistics right? so +750% to a Focused Core Repair tool, puts you at like what....1312 HP/second? Give me that bonus and I'll gladly take the "Sidearm Only" Logi that people get so excited for.

In EVE it's about what, +150% bonus to reps per level of Logistics right? so +750% to a Focused Core Repair tool, puts you at like what....1312 HP/second? Give me that bonus and I'll gladly take the "Sidearm Only" Logi that people get so excited for.

:: laughs ::
:: leaves thread ::

hmm... make it the dual slot sidearm (not the dual wield unless the proposed numbers get better) logi and I'd buy in.

150% to rep RANGE per level of racial cruiser.. And 15% decrease in cap cost per level of logistics ships.

...deep six this "logi should not be able to fight" non-sense...

150% to rep RANGE per level of racial cruiser.. And 15% decrease in cap cost per level of logistics ships.

The trick here, that cross is slipping around, is it's hard to balance a logi for meaningful support play without causing DUST to devolve into blob or Zerg warfare whwre everyone must focus fire (primary) on the guy the logi is repping or be annihilated by the numbers.

In EVE you need to be able to rep tank because there are only so many ways you can get instablapped. (Being the tackle frigate diving on a double-webbed vindicator would be a good example of instant death)

In DUST Since human reaction and aim is the deciding factor if we made reps comparable to EVE you're gonna pass out from boredom before you crack the sentinel's tank.

So is the non-buff of Sprint speeds (say .25%, like movement) to alleviate concerns of "slayer-logi" terror?

The trick here, that cross is slipping around, is it's hard to balance a logi for meaningful support play without causing DUST to devolve into blob or Zerg warfare whwre everyone must focus fire (primary) on the guy the logi is repping or be annihilated by the numbers.

In EVE you need to be able to rep tank because there are only so many ways you can get instablapped. (Being the tackle frigate diving on a double-webbed vindicator would be a good example of instant death)

In DUST Since human reaction and aim is the deciding factor if we made reps comparable to EVE you're gonna pass out from boredom before you crack the sentinel's tank.

Solo logi should be suicide.

Agreed, with the addendum that I think the same should apply every bit as much to most fits/roles the majority of the time.
But if I really try to make that a baseline I'll only get lynched soo....
/goes back to trying to balance a team game within a world were everyone wants to be their own flavor of Rambo

Agreed, with the addendum that I think the same should apply every bit as much to most fits/roles the majority of the time.
But if I really try to make that a baseline I'll only get lynched soo....
/goes back to trying to balance a team game within a world were everyone wants to be their own flavor of Rambo

Slayer logi was only a thing because they could out-tank an assault and could damn near match sentinels.

That's it. That is the sordid story of the slayer logi.

You could literally buff every non-EHP stat the logi has by 20% and not achieve slayer logi so long as assaults field a significantly better tank.

But that's mostly because this community is full of mentally handicapped dingbats who think EHP>ALL.

I find the addition of precision mods to an HMG to be amazing even if only a slight boost. Increases my survivability by a wide margin.

But more seriously logis need to be better at using equipment than any other suit and they need to be able to escape to allies and fire support.

Solo logi should be suicide.

Ccp threw teamwork out the window as soon as the cloak was introduced.

I wasn't contradicting, just adding.

The problem with the unarmed logi is the same as the slow turning heavy back in beta. A feeling of impotence.

When you cannot make even a token gesture of defiant bloodshed against an attacker you don't fell like a valuable team member. You feel like a victim. No one plays vidya games to be the victim unless they need serious psych help.

IMHO the logi needs to have the speed of a assault so they can respond to changing situations, reach downed allies quickly and get behind cover (like a sentinel) when the shooting starts.

They need to be more efficient in using equipment than combat suits. This is imperative, even if that means nerfing equipment and bonusing logis to use them at full efficacy. The only exceptions to this rule would be scanners and explosives.

Logistics need to not be able to field assault level tank. This was the direct cause of the slayer logi. End. Stop. Look no further for the cause.

Logistics do not fare well in a solo pubstar environment because blueberries are idiots. A logistics fit properly costs almost 50%more than a comparable sentinel or assault suit. Losing said fits because your dingleberry allies cannot comprehend that they need to wait up is intensely frustrating.

Logistics are mostly ignored by friendly players except sentinels. The sentinel/logi pair is a natural because fatboy is the only ally the suit can keep up with. The sentinel benefit from logi reps more than other suits and more WP can be earned shoving fat intestines back in fat bellies because the HP pool is deep and guardian awards are plentiful.

But logi play is stagnant. Most logi suitas are tourist fits used to spam equipment then frag off to a killer fit because no one wants to be a victim, or to tether themselves to sone donut-munching HMG heavy who may or may not understand which way the weapon is supposed to be pointed.

Logis are not incentivized to be pro squad players because the squads leave them In the dust with the fatsuits who are relegated to protecting cap points and playing squad bait.

it is still a bit galling to have a situation in which the first question I have to ask upon reading any post is "what role does this poster mean when they say Logistics or Support".

More importantly, I feel something needs to be said about this, because bad balancing ideas based on this false premise are driving me crazy. Lets just make one thing very clear: My sole reason for existence is not to leech off some fatty all game. I'm not a sentient armor repair module.

- I maintain tactical control of the map with placement of blue uplinks and removal of red ones
- I provide ammunition
- I provide tactical information with scanners
- I provide suppressive fire and finish off weakened enemies so I can revive you
- I set RE's or proxy traps
- I counter snipe to keep the killers focused on their job
- And yes, I repair damaged suits and provide additional eHP to sentinels to break through highly defended areas.

("back in my day" rant incoming)

Some of you may be used to the more recent brain-dead, repper-only logi meta, but those of us who have been logis from long before the logi suits and equipment got nerfed, or when there was only one logi suit, or before every god damn blueberry, their brother, sister, second cousins, and next door neighbor's dog started wh0ring WP by spamming uplinks at the start of every freaking match have a slightly different concept of what it means to provide logistical/tactical support. One that *gasp* includes having my weapon active more than my rep tool. There's more than one way to keep people alive - let me know when you find a rep tool that can keep up with the DPS of any major weapon, because I want one of those.

(Pro tip: Sentinels have shields. You (basically) always have time to pull out your rep tool, but not to switch to a weapon.)

A boat-ton of stuff

(Pro tip: Sentinels have shields. You (basically) always have time to pull out your rep tool, but not to switch to a weapon.)

Totally agree. I hate when I see Logi's running around repping a heavy with full armor and shields. In many cases it is more advantageous for the Logi to help the Sentinel kill the guy, than cower behind him repping constantly. This is the primary reason why I have always been so adamantly against the "Sidearm Only Logi" concept.

Depending on the situation, having the rep per on the heavy is indeed beneficial, such as when pushing the point in domination and you expect a sudden attack at any moment. Although it is true you don't need him leashed at all times.

Remember when mass driver logis were a primary support staple to assault squads?

Good times.

Depending on the situation, having the rep per on the heavy is indeed beneficial, such as when pushing the point in domination and you expect a sudden attack at any moment. Although it is true you don't need him leashed at all times.