I believe that if you even slightly nerf the hmg, you need to slightly nerf the shottie. I see the KDR on average a scout shottie and hmg heavy are about equal. So lower the ROF of the shot gun. Then call it equal.

Yeah, IDK Aeon, I mean, it's a true statement, no trolling needed or implied. There are currently two camps, the one who wants the Amarr to keep it's sidearm and the one that doesn't. You were quite firmly in the latter group, at least initially. If you have changed your mind, that's one less (pretty influential) person I need to try to convince otherwise.

...Of that, at least. I still think the Amarr logi needs work, as RedBleach beautifully pointed out. It's fitting power is abysmal and it needs another low, even with the sidearm. But that's another discussion.

* Primary Objective Assault buff

* Blaster turret accuracy improvements, both Small and Large

* Reduced ADS ISK price

WP for injectors is cool, but does it follow the more RISk, more REWARD rule?

Maybe if you can full HP revive a heavy and rep him near red dots to reap guardians points, but what if here are no red dots around? which gives you more WP? full HP revive or low HP revive and repping to full HP with a cheap repper?

Maybe make it so that MLT injectors have a big cooldown-effect between revives (solves the revive-grieving, we all know which kind of injector those people use) while the PROTO variant has almost no cool-down, maybe allow lower injectors to give more HP aswell.

You don't really think it's the invisible scouts and corridor camping heavies that get farmed by ADSes and blaster tanks, do you?

WP for injectors is cool, but does it follow the more RISk, more REWARD rule?

Maybe if you can full HP revive a heavy and rep him near red dots to reap guardians points, but what if here are no red dots around? which gives you more WP? full HP revive or low HP revive and repping to full HP with a cheap repper?

Maybe make it so that MLT injectors have a big cooldown-effect between revives (solves the revive-grieving, we all know which kind of injector those people use) while the PROTO variant has almost no cool-down, maybe allow lower injectors to give more HP aswell.

No, the call for help button should actually mean something when you press it you shouldnt be able to be revived. Problem solved.

Let's remove the injectors all together then, a dead guy has no overview of the battle, he has no clue when he needs to ask for help, you guys are just to impatient to wait for a revive/to much invested with your ego's on KDR (in a unbalanced game )/...

If that even happends, I want to choose on which guy my repper lock on, which guy my hives work for, which guy can spawn on my uplink .

I meant when you press cancel you shouldnt be revived.

Sometimes ill get killed by a tank and im about to come in with a forge and a militia guy with a needle will revive me over and over Right in front of the tank or some enemies, its annoying as hell, you do want this fixed right?

After crowdsourcing, data crunching, reviewing internally and discussing with the CPM, we are ready with a non-finite list for Hotfix Charlie. As always, this is the narrative and any, all or none of the ideas may end up being implemented.


* OB WP doubled

* LP payout increased x-fold

* Remove Ambush OMS or remove Vehicles from Ambush OMS

* Reduced ADS ISK price

So than don't bring a support weapon to the fight... You have a Light Weapon slot, that's pretty diverse in and of itself for a main weapon. Saying that you need a sidearm to make use of your support weapon in a support role to be more combat effective, on top of having the capability to have some incredible defense, is asking for everything.

IMO, should only be able to choose two out of Offense/Defense/Support. I don't see "because I want to use a support weapon" as a valid reason why we should give any other Logistics a sidearm - the Amarr works well enough with it because it makes some actual sacrifices to have that sidearm. Maybe try using that if you want to roll support weapons. What we certainly don't need is a Caldari Logi with a sidearm, thing is already combat effective without.

Focus on the equipment. Encourage Logistics to actually utilize the stuff that they're designed to use.

Nerf the shottie? Have you ever even used that thing? You have to be within hugging distance for it to be effective, and the hit detection on that thing is horrid. A RoF nerf would make it even easier for a heavy to turn around and insta-blap a scout who gets behind him.

Nerf the shottie? Have you ever even used that thing? You have to be within hugging distance for it to be effective, and the hit detection on that thing is horrid. A RoF nerf would make it even easier for a heavy to turn around and insta-blap a scout who gets behind him.

Yea yea, the poor shottie... yadda yadda yadda. That doesn't stop folks from getting crazy kdr's. An adv shotty rips apar any medium suit. And is essen7ally the counter heavy weapon .You have a cloak for crist sake, so the distance issue shouldn't be an issue if youre good. One hit pretty much kills my proto assault with like 700 EHP. Or at least sevierly cripples it to be finished off by a subbie in less than a quarter clip.

There's been a lot more Amarr Logistics resistance to the proposed changes than anticipated. So I came to share my thoughts on the matter.

Access to a sidearm makes it feasible to use a wider variety of light class guns because my sidearm could compensate for any weakness a light gun might have; such as lasers, swarm launchers, snipers, etc. So as you'd imagine, I'm quite fond of my sidearm slot.

On the other hand, the proposal would take away my sidearm slot in exchange for another equipment slot which I have a fitting bonus for, allowing for more CPU/PG intensive fits, and a/more hi or/and low slot(s) to further customize my suit. Not exactly the horrible trade off so many are making it out to be.

If we keep the sidearm, I'll carry on as I always have. If the proposed changes get implemented, I'll adapt and abuse what I got in exchange for the sidearm slot. I'm happy either way.

Also, why do we need to change logi at all? There is nothing wrong with them. The focus needs to be an assaut suit adjustment, most likely centered on DPS.

The cloak doesn't make you invisible. On top of that the dampening bonuses have been nerfed to hell. A big chunk of the playerbase has adapted to cloaks, you should too. The shotgun is supposed to be deadly at close ranges, that's the point. I have a proposal. Spec into a scout suit and the shotgun and use that for a month. You'll see it's not as easy as it looks.

I HAVE specced into the scout/shot gun. Give a heavy a go. You'll see the are different play styles, buton almost equal terms, listen. All I'm saying is the KDR of shot gun vs heavy is usually the same of equally skilled players. If not the shot gunner has more kills about 60 percent of the time. If one gets adjusted, so does the other.

The thought is, work on both medium frames simultaneously. It does make a lot of sense, as both are in pretty rough spots right now. If they intent to normalize slot counts across the 2 classes (which also makes some sense), it would be pointless to do one without the other.


As for the Amarr logi, I'm not sure that an equipment slot AND a low (primary tank) slot is a fair trade for the sidearm. 1 equipment slot seems fairly equitable to me. At worst, an equipment slot and a high slot makes more sense than a low. Just like the Amarr assault(well, until bravo), the high/low slot balance makes no sense considering the way the suit is otherwise intended/set up, as a high buffer armor tanking suit.

It's slow and has no inherent reps like the Gallente, and doesn't have the shield regen of the Caldari or Minmatar, so WTF are you supposed to do with it? The only choice is to brick tank since the damage mod nerf. And that's lame.