WE DON'T WANT MORE EQUIPMENT AND MODULE SLOTS. We want our god damn Side Arm. You are CPM. You are supposed to support the masses whether you agree or not. Fight for us and not your warped sense of appealing to CCP.

You don't play. You know what. Look up my monthly numbers already. Look where I am at. I play 65% AV right now so the lack of kills is from redrats jumping out of drop ships I shoot down. I run A-Logi a lot and get WP for my fast uplinks thus high WP.

I have tons of WP from completely legitimate playing. I got over 5k WP today from forging and swarming vehicles and some uplinks. 2nd place was Southpac at almost 5k. 3rd place was about 1300 wp. We had top kills as well. We had great KDR. We push to be the best players we can be no matter how terrible our blueberries are. You should not be arguing with a player that puts this much AUR, Time, and effort into this game. Maybe CCP Ratatti can post the hours I play. Yes, I currently have no life while trying to save money but that fully justifies why players like myself and others who put in the hours should be listened to and supported.

All of the logis are fine. The speed nerf is a maybe for me. Fine, just don't change anything else. Start more conversation topics and do the changes in delta.

DEFEND US IWS. Not one person has provided feedback and said "can't wait till my A-Logi loses it's side arm and gets modules and equipment". Not one.

I stand by the fact that I should AT LEAST keep the current layout for AUR gear if I don't get a respec. I'll eat the money (I don't want to) if I get a respec.

Facepalm.

Wow, I could not have possibly made my argument any better than you just did for me.

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You need to read this. This guy spent his time making a guide for Logistics players.

I will say that I have spec into every role possible up to advance with proto in Minmatar Logistics.

Before asking to nerf logistics how about trying them out first and do it according to the guide that I linked

I'm reposting this from another thread in hopes that either your or Logibro will read it.

You guys need to stop and ask yourselves what the role of the Caldari and Amarr logistics is on the field. They both drop passive equipment, and once that is done (literally takes about 1-2s to drop an uplink or nanohive) what is supposed to be their purpose on the battlefield?

If you think all logis should then pull out their rep tool and start repairing, then why would anyone run anything but Minmatar Logi? Simply for aesthetics? If a logi suit is supposed to spend the majority of their time repping, then there is almost no reason for any other logi suit to exist than the min logi, because it is specifically bonused for that.

The Minmatar and Gallente logi suits are centered around active equipment, that is, equipment you spend most of your time using. The Caldari and Amarr logi suits are centered around passive equipment, which leaves them free to pursue other non logistics tasks like slaying. This also makes sense as both of these passive equipment are meant to be more around the frontline, the Caldari and Amarr Logi need their combat efficacy to protect their passive equipment.

You need to think about each suits role on the field and how to better reinforce that idea.

Gallente/Minmatar
Active Equipment
High Mobility
Low combat efficiency
High Logistics efficiency

Amarr/Caldari
Passive equipment
Low mobility
Moderate combat efficiency
Low logistics efficiency

If you remove the sidearm on Amarr logi and give them a 4th equip slot, they just become a poor copy of the Min/Gal suits. They still have low logistics efficacy because their bonuses are not designed for logistics efficiency.

If you serious about type-II versions. Then you need to completely rethink the bonuses so that the high logistics efficiency variant has a bonus to active equipment and the combat efficiency variant has a bonus to passive equipment to better reinforce the role of each suit.

You would essentially need to make a set of medic suits centered entirely around the nanite injector and rep tool. While the combat version would be around passive equipment like hives and links. Every suit would have close to the same bonus, and the flavor would come from the slot layout. You could give the combat logi a L/S and the medic an S or S/S setup and boost the speed and hp of the medic up substantially to reinforce the role that they should be running around repping and reviving.

If you move forward with this as it is though, you will essentially render the non-Minmatar logi suits obsolete.

I am actually considering your proposal of adding a sidearm to Caldari logis, changing one of the high/low slots to sidearm.

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By the same token, imo, the relative popularity of the minmatar logi is because it's bonus is the only one that is totally worth not using a scout suit to do the job.
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I'm a lot more likely to respond when people aren't trolling with 'herp derp your' in sum kinna anti-logi club'.

Yeah, I'm cool with the Amarr Logi keeping it's sidearm because it makes a lot of sacrifices to have it. Same fitting slots as assault, slower than the other logis, less equipment slots. I said -WAY BACK- at the beginning of all this that I was on the fence about whether or not we should remove it and only even considered it because CCP Rattati made a convincing argument that it being unique was stupid and I figured that by removing it, we had more opportunity to increase it's effectiveness in other areas. It wasn't because 'herpitty derp aeon duzznt like logis cuz reasons' and defaulting to that isn't going to impress anyone.

The thought is, work on both medium frames simultaneously. It does make a lot of sense, as both are in pretty rough spots right now. If they intent to normalize slot counts across the 2 classes (which also makes some sense), it would be pointless to do one without the other.


As for the Amarr logi, I'm not sure that an equipment slot AND a low (primary tank) slot is a fair trade for the sidearm. 1 equipment slot seems fairly equitable to me. At worst, an equipment slot and a high slot makes more sense than a low. Just like the Amarr assault(well, until bravo), the high/low slot balance makes no sense considering the way the suit is otherwise intended/set up, as a high buffer armor tanking suit.

It's slow and has no inherent reps like the Gallente, and doesn't have the shield regen of the Caldari or Minmatar, so WTF are you supposed to do with it? The only choice is to brick tank since the damage mod nerf. And that's lame.

2) Gallente are supposed to be based on Armor regen. 3 might be too high, but you can't take it completely away.

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