Could we also get a few pg off of kincats, it would help min scouts out.

Adding to this point.

Lets pretend that all days before day Logistics Class never existed in Dust 514.

And for hotfix charlie we're bringing them in.

Cool, so you won't mind refunding my logi SP's then if they never existed.

All,
* Move all logistics to the same number of Equipment slots per tier, removing the Amarr sidearm. Reduce Logi speed slightly and remove Cloak fitting bonus. Same total of high and low slots as well per tier.

Does your data also shows that people are using those logis as assault suits?

Does your data shows that those logi-suits get more kills than the scout-heavy suit?

Does your data of kills with a logi-suit approximate the amount of kills that you want the assault suit to make?

Does your data also shows that the scout/heavy suits outnumber the assault suit by a huge margin?

Yes it will make it worse...people use their amar logi as support combined with AV + a side-arm to protect themselves...gone are those days.

I have the feeling that your data doesn't justify these changes.

If resources allow I wouldn't mind asking for it; but like I said if only resources allowed...

GA scout already has a bonus to damps?

It also says increased PG/CPU for Assaults...

The speed changes are to differentiate better between Assault and Logis. The slowest Logis would still of course move faster than the fastest heavy, something like +0.05 on the Assault or -0.05 on the Logi. So if that's the biggest worry, we have no problem in only buffing the Assault speed.

The speed changes are to differentiate better between Assault and Logis. The slowest Logis would still of course move faster than the fastest heavy, something like +0.05 on the Assault or -0.05 on the Logi. So if that's the biggest worry, we have no problem in only buffing the Assault speed.

As i already said.. i am 'always' getting outrun by heavies when i'm playing as my Gal Logi with the armor plates with no movement penalty.. ferroscale if i remember right.

So something else is going on there if your stats don't show that's the case... Do some internal testing. If i use the basic armour plates of any tier.. then i am constantly losing my link to heavies and having to sprint to keep up with them a lot.

*Pops head out*
Heavies only need one kin cat to outrun logis.
And that's not because Logis are too slow, it's because Heavies are too fast.
900DPS + 1500HP should not run at 6.5m/s~ -_-

The speed changes are to differentiate better between Assault and Logis. The slowest Logis would still of course move faster than the fastest heavy, something like +0.05 on the Assault or -0.05 on the Logi. So if that's the biggest worry, we have no problem in only buffing the Assault speed.

The speed changes are to differentiate better between Assault and Logis.

^^ That'll be why then, thanks for pointing that out Cat. Kinda crap to think the only way to combat this then would be to have to use one ourselves too...

This is not the biggest worry & neither have I said such. I am having trouble comprehending 'why ?' for any of the logi changes. If this:



is the only reason, then it is a poor one. Again give the assault bonus a look at PROPERLY as opposed to half arsing it & screwing with logi's which I think are in an ok position, ( the Caldari logi is one I don't see often tbh )

My main points :

Assault bonus aren't desirable, otherwise you would see them more often.

Assaults have no niche, ALL suits tread on assault suits territory.

Amarr side arm slot loss, it was touted as a combat logi ( same as the scout suit ). I like the fact that it can be aggressive & can look after itself.

Logi slot homogenisation, just have one logi suit if they are all to be the same.

Reduced logi speed, the battlefield is a much more dynamic / fast / fluid place. As a logi I have to be able to keep up. I am no use to anyone if I am coming in behind everyone else & then got SG'd in the bank by flanking scouts.

More logis than assaults, well sorry, but duh !! Assault suit bonus, the ever increasing population of heavy suits & the fact that logi can fulfill a role on the battlefield is not the logi suits fault. Also heavy & scout are BETTER than an assault. So why run an assault suit ?

I am not trying to be horrible but I still have not had a valid reason why logi should bear the responsibility to make assaults look a better option. Seriously NO ONE has explained why apart from :

There are more logis than assaults, there are more anything than assault suits on the field.

The logi shouldn't move as fast as an assault, I know heavies that move faster than logis so logic should dictate that heavies need a speed nerf, yes ? ( not actually wanting a heavy speed nerf )

No other logi has a side arm, but it looses a slot to negate that.

Again sorry if it appears like ranting, need coffee

That's sort of where we see this going, rather than fitting penalties.

A small idea I had.

How about increasing light weapon fitting requirements by 35%, and giving Assaults/Commandos a corresponding fitting reduction?

Sidearms become a low CPU/PG option for non slayer suits, Heavies will be less likely to use those with the CPU/PG reduction and Heavy weapon fitting bonuses.



This makes Sidearm vs Light weapon an actual choice, rather than some fun fitting you run once in a while.
Non slayer suits that want the same slaying power would have to do sacrifices, just like non scouts trying to fit cloaks.

So yes to my idea?

I don't like your idea.

So yes to my idea?