* Move all logistics to the same number of Equipment slots per tier, removing the Amarr sidearm. Reduce Logi speed slightly and remove Cloak fitting bonus. Same total of high and low slots as well per tier.

CCP Rattati, please correct me if I'm wrong, but has not the community expressed time and time again to please not try to make a suit more attractive by forcing them out of another suit? Don't buff the Assaults by further nerfing the Logis, that's not going to create more Assaults, it's going to create more Scouts.

What are your numbers showing? That on average more players are playing Logi and scorning more kills than Assaults, or just that in the Medium Frame world, Logis FAR out number Assaults? If the latter is the case could it be that it's far easier to run around with a rep tool attached to a heavy than it is to kill something with an Assault?

If you make these changes you may get the desired number of Less Logis on the field, but I doubt they are going to shift to the Assault world. That's not making Assaults happy, that's upsetting one of the largest portions of your player base!

1.9 not planned basically means that dropship skill stacking wont be adressed anytime soon which im glad about cause i like to use dropships with gunners. And we actually get rewarded for doing teamwork unlike the solo python scrubs that just farm kills.

This.

I'll just be taking Amarr Sentinel to proto instead of CalLogi as I'd planned, and then moving to Amarr Scout and Commando eventually to round out the suite.

I'll still not use my assault any more than I do already (which is to say never unless I'm in squad with multiple slayer scouts).

1.9 not planned basically means that dropship skill stacking wont be adressed anytime soon which im glad about cause i like to use dropships with gunners. And we actually get rewarded for doing teamwork unlike the solo python scrubs that just farm kills. Im fully aware that you dont want to admit that my apocalyptic claim is right simply cause CCP doesnt want to demotivate the community. Or simple put: "GUYS DONT WORRY WE GOT THIS! NOW GO BUY AUR!"

Exactly. Why destroy one of the most intensely cooperative elements of the game. It's akin to logis and heavies.

Also, might be beating a dead horse, but I really think the Amarr logi should keep the sidearm and not gain the equipment, it would be a fair tradeoff for having less equipment than other logis, and thus balanced.
I can adapt to the loss of the sidearm if I need to though, I have a proto Amarr logi, and I don't think the changes would be too disruptive.

Also, you reeeeaaaally should put the high/low slot thing in the original post, would have saved me a lot of typing about the slot inequalities.

yeah cause exploiting a bug to farm kills is so much less scrubby cause you did it with team work.... Does your crew ever encounter stacked incubi? I don't think it does because you'd be killed faster than my solo incubus and cry even harder than I do about the bs dmg and rof exploit.

I totally disagree with this. The issue isn't that logis are better at kiling than assaults. It is that scouts are better logis and killers than either of the med. frames. The bonuese put into place need to help assaults compete with scouts from a killing point of view and logis be more competetive from a support point of view.

I'm sorry but our data shows that logis outnumber assaults by a huge margin. Nothing about this change will make logis worse at being logis.

I want the sidearm, that's a given. But I would prefer an equipment to a mod slot; improve my logi, not my slaying.

I dont think we need to make logis just plain out worse than assaults; just not as desired for attack in comparison to assaults.

Assaults should be superior in pressing the enemy

Logis should be superior in pressing their allies forward.

Possible assault fix or one part?

Decrease one high slot and have a blanket 10% Light Weapon and Side arm damage bonus?

So give it a bonus the commando already has? No thanks

So give it a bonus the commando already has? No thanks

We could play rewind theater and show how much people cried about being short changed an equipment slot for a side arm and how stupidly odd it was for Amarrs to getting side arms as it made no sense back then. These complaints made at the apex of the slayer logi mind you. I mean you're 2 slots down from everyone else. Those modules slots are the most excessively heaviest stat in the game; side arm is one of the weakest slot weights as well because the overall dps associated with that slot is the lowest of the three, and the fact the mere presence of the other slot further degrades that weight because you only got two hands. Also Logi is not the only viable AV class there, all classes are viable AV in their own ways. Many don't need to resort to using equipment slots or av weapons and all classes are nearly equally capable of killing every vehicle in the game right now.

The A-Logi with a sidearm was a mistake that shouldn't have been made in the first place. Similar to how shoving HAVs into this game without a proper role other than to blow **** up was a mistake that should not have happened in the first place.

Also ever heard of unpopular changes? This is one of them. The combined fact that so many players are adamant about the side arm speaks volumes as to why its wrong and needs to be changed. I am shocked not more players are not seeking to try to change CCP Rattati's mind over the lackluster bonus that expires after you die.

So if you're so much of an expert.

Under the altered amarr logi slot layout

I want you to exactly tell me what would make it inferior to all the other races logistics; stat per stat.

I'm a proto amarr commando and I don't want assaults to have that skill because the only thing commandos have going for them is 2 lights. And giving amarr assault a damage and heat build up bonus will be as broken as Rihanna's jaw bone.....

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But there are two other logis with extra equipment, if you wanted the equipment over a sidearm, why not go min/gal? We specced amarr for a reason, that reason was links (broken atm) and a sidearm. Thats it...

I'm a proto amarr commando and I don't want assaults to have that skill because the only thing commandos have going for them is 2 lights. And giving amarr assault a damage and heat build up bonus will be as broken as Rihanna's jaw bone.....

They're called governors and regulators and to bring it to full power voids the warranty usually. The need for excess is what is leading to american car manufacturing in a decline because they lose sight of the innovation needed to survive the ever rapidly changing environment that is finding less and less need for them. Why get a V6 which is capped by law and manufactured limiters when you can get a V3 without the restrictions for half the metal; heat; and fuel for the same power? Then again the future looks like V0 is going to be the standard. Especially if you're living in Iceland that possibility is rather real. Bottom point Adapt or Die.

As for your situation yes that sort of crap happens in the nature of the game that one counter leads to the other and you really have to rely on your skills to try to overcome your weakness. A rock can easily bust through paper but if the paper is woven and reinforced just right you're not going to be able to hand toss it hard enough to break through.

In that case all logis need to give up 1 tank slot and 1 equip slot for a side arm if that's the case.

And you have your case to point it out again in this thread with CCP Ratatti reading. Normally I am against it but I do find it a bit off putting that they're sorta screwed out of it as nanohives seem to not suffer from their throwers death and yes I seen the bugs myself where it would not apply when thrown and still apply after they've died. Its rather annoying.

If you feel this conversation and implementation needs to be delayed to delta by all means I will support you there. I do think it is a bit much with assaults getting changed over significantly and the amarr/minmatar scout being brought to bear to being your new worst nightmares.

CCP Ratatti's been in the company for a while much longer than dust 514; I don't know his exact background but he does understand he can't solely rely on numbers and needs context. There are however times when context is not enough and this is one of those cases unfortunately.