How do you switch to your mass driver if he has the supply depot?

Could you at least consider leaving LAV's available? Some matches that are on huge maps take forever to end because everyone has to run across the map just to get a few kills, then run back to a different corner of the map (this is in regular ambush where you can't call in any vehicles).

Ok next question. Do you think it is important to understand the entire context of the argument before giving your opinion? Because this discussion IS about a Buff to Assaults via their bonuses and Attributes, and the reason given for the change to Logis was that Data shows that the Logi is far more used than the Assault. In which we replied that the community has expressed time and time again that you don't rob Peter to pay Paul.

Here were my suggestions on Buffing the Assault and why.

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But getting back to the real subject at hand, Assault Buff. The question that comes up that deserves the most though and community feedback is "What BONUS to the Assault would be attractive enough for you to leave your current suit?"

So going from the thought that the Assault is suppose to be the best at killing people on the front lines, what bonuses make since to that role? So in my mind, this comes down to one thing which is Gun Game. Not tank, not mobility, not survivability, just straight Gun Game.

Things in general that support your Gun Game are Range, Damage, Dispersion/Accuracy, and Reload or Sustained Fire. Each of these things the Assault Suit and by extension the Assault Heavy (Commando) Should be NOTICEABLY better at. Stick with me for a moment on this. How noticeable is the inherent ewar bonus the Scouts have? A little or a lot? How noticeable is the Heavy's EHP?, or the Logis versatility? Currently, the bonuses to Assault's Gun Game are correct, they just aren't Noticeable!

I don't want to go into the who's should get which bonuses, but I think they should be something that when you have or read in stats you say to yourself "Damn that's awesome"

So how about something along the lines of:

Total reload bonus = 50% or more
Range bonus = 15% or more (whatever would take the effective range into Optimal range for each weapon)
Damage Bonus = Total %10 minimum, maybe more. Enough to jump a weapons power 2 tears and can't be negated by a different suit with a damage mod.
Dispersion/Accuracy/Kick = enough to make the RR fire like an SMG
Ammo/Mag size = What is it 15% now for Min? Make if 50%

My point here is that I love FPS games, but no Assault (except for the Amarr's overhead bonus) has ever made me WANT one of their bonus. I feel like my natural Gun Game can easily compensate for the lack of having any of the Assault bonuses. I mean, for real, I am an FPS player with 60 mil SP and I don't have a single SP in Assault suits! Offer me one of the above and you'll sell me.

Go ahead and give the Caldari/Amarr Logistics their sidearms. If there's a resurgence of Slayer Logis and players aren't utilizing Logistics for the support role they're intended to be, it'll be evident almost immediately. /shrug

The Amarr scout will have a natural low range high precision scan, moving slowly and tanking because of close proximity.

The Gallente scout will be the dampener master, being able to be unscannable by sacrificing a lot of slots.

The Caldari scout will be the natural long range, low ehp hunter.

All of them have the ability to change either range, dampening or precision to alter their desired utility.

True to the point and very precise, I am somewhat inclined to how these roles fit specifically based on racial alignment skills.

However, my point in here leaves me unconvinced as to how I feel about Gallente Scouts having greatly reduced their Damp from 5% to 3%....


I am certain not everyone agrees in me with this one, but considering Gallente Scout are indeed Stealth (Damp) Masters, why not have it back to our 5% Profile Dampener? The 1% range I feel is unncessesary for the Gallente as it should be directed towards Caldari Scout ( from 4% back to its 5%). Now I have no idea and thoughts about a Secondary bonus for Gallente instead of Range, but it will be greatly appreciate for the rest of Gallente Scouts such as myself to have our 5% Profile Dampener back.

I respect your opinions, but I am curious if you feel there is a resurgence now with the Amarr already having that sidearm? I personally do not see it in games. Pc or pubs. Im just curious. Are you for tiericide of Logis? Do you support removing the Amarrs sidearm?

True to the point and very precise, I am somewhat inclined to how these roles fit specifically based on racial alignment skills.

However, my point in here leaves me unconvinced as to how I feel about Gallente Scouts having greatly reduced their Damp from 5% to 3%....


I am certain not everyone agrees in me with this one, but considering Gallente Scout are indeed Stealth (Damp) Masters, why not have it back to our 5% Profile Dampener? The 1% range I feel is unncessesary for the Gallente as it should be directed towards Caldari Scout ( from 4% back to its 5%). Now I have no idea and thoughts about a Secondary bonus for Gallente instead of Range, but it will be greatly appreciate for the rest of Gallente Scouts such as myself to have our 5% Profile Dampener back.

Type IIs are a different variant of the suit that has the same role as the type I but drastically different slot layout. For example a Type II assault may have a second EQ slot but gives up all but 1 of its non tank slots for it.

... Possibly moving Codebreakers to High slot.

So, basically, you want to make the fitting system into a pointless gimmick.
There is no point in customization if there's an optimal way of doing things.

Unfortunately, Dust doesn't have the necessary systems in place to allow for racial synergies of loadouts, instead of doing hacky bonuses.

This is the narrative and any, all or none of the ideas may end up being implemented.

I would like to remind everyone that:


Please keep your feedback as constructive as possible, and we will listen. :)

Second grenade slot, among other stuff

I'd kinda be ok with that IF you had to use two different types of grenade. Anything enabling further Core Locus spam is not what this game needs. Sleeks and Contacts desparetly need to be better, though, and by better, I mean they need to give us some reason to use them other than the lulz.

Yes but it matters. I was in my adv cal assault yesterday. I had std scrambler, and std mag sec. I was fighting Grease Spillet on the back steps of the Gal research facility that leads down to the CRU. I had him down to half armor in his proto Gal Assault and he had my shields depleted.

I switched to sidearm and unloaded a clip from my magsec and then began backing up the steps, second tier, as I continued to back up the third tier he came flying around the second tier looking right up at me, but thanks to my reload bonus as soon as his head popped around those steps I put him down, with some strafing and luck I survived. But I marked it in my head right then, I said wow my bonus just saved my a$$.

Not the first time either! I cant tell you how many times that Mini assault suit bonus with my rs 90 has kept me alive from multiple scouts, or given me enough ammo in a clip to finish a hvy in his range.

Not sure we have the same definition of tieracide. Tieracide, to me, would be getting rid of Standard/Advanced on all the suits and then balancing around Prototype - something I've been wanting done since I first played the game back in 2012 and something that seems to be happening in Legion.

Personally, I'd rather cross-racial bonuses be implemented so that racial logistics aren't getting -just- the bonus to their own equipment.

Ah, okay, I see now...

Although, I think this is a pretty big cog in the overall balance of things at the expense of just having the Cal/Amarr Logi bonus apply after death but not with a suit change. So if you die, the bonus isn't lost, but if you change suits after death or at a supply depot, it would be.

It makes sense that Logistics would -NOT- have sidearms as a means of encouraging them to actually Logi instead of Slay, giving them the opportunity to do so as a means of circumventing doing things correctly is the problem we've always had with Dust 514 and I think we should go the extra mile to make sure it is, in fact, done correctly.

The bonuses applying to passive equipment (DU and Nanohive) is more reason, to me, NOT to give them a sidearm in the first place because once you drop the stuff there's no further reason to continue playing the Support Role unless you really like using those other equipment pieces. I just don't see much popularity in running all DU or all Nanohive fits. My concern is that players will drop their passive equipment and reap the benefits while slaying.

Sure, but you could make that argument about other suits as well. Why should I use the Gallente Logi, even with it's active bonus, when the Scouts are so much more effective at the job? We're taking measures to change that, sure, but it's not exactly like people are flocking to the Gallente Logi right now.

And, again, cross-racial bonuses would help immensely with this. Amarr Logi with specialized bonuses to Drop Uplinks with a secondary bonus to Repair Tools would just make sense since they are Armor tankers, same could be said about the Gallente Logi as well. Gallente Logi only has the bonus to the Active Scanners and even if they are Active, what am I doing when I'm not using the one scanner? Can I have a sidearm on my Gallente Logistics as well..?

as long as I can use my minmatar logi for babysitting just like it do it now I dont care, my proto logi fit is:

4 proto shield extenders
3 basic ferroscale plates
1 proto armor repairer

proto smg
proto nade

proro repair tool
proto nanite injector
proto nanohive
proto gauged drop uplink

decent mix of durability and speed to follow my teammates around the map. full rack of proto equipment to babysit my teammembers along with an SMG and nades for self defense.

you already ruined my fast hacking minmatar logi and I will finally quit if you ruin this fit too.

* Move all logistics to the same number of Equipment slots per tier, removing the Amarr sidearm. Reduce Logi speed slightly and remove Cloak fitting bonus. Same total of high and low slots as well per tier.

Just curious... Why a proto SMG rather than an Advanced 'longer ranged' rifle?

cause he is repping meaning the person who killed his squad mate is already almost dead and smg rips through armor

So does an ACR, and it's easier to fit.

i've been told that the cal scout precision is being nerfed (again), if this is true i expect a respec cause precision is why i chose cal scout because i am a hunter, though i doubt this demand will be met, if not i'm done. Not spending a whole month grinding towards another proto suit class, and i'm getting sick and tired of scrubs getting on forum and crying because they don't know how to counter someone's fit so they call it op, first it was blaster tanks, then rail tanks, then gallente scout , then cal scout, then after everything got nerfed and they was still getting there ass kicked they started saying buff the assualt nerf the hmg. i'm sick of it, get good or go play cod