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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
365
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:14:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:
AL argument that is agsinst respec are plain and simple dumb. Wy give tanks a full respec but not infantry? Bla bla bla remaking the skill three, what the hel this is acactly the same thing. Bla bla bla vets vill got fotm, WTF vets have a cuple of Miljon sp saved already they have 45+ miljon sp and they have al the sh-ít they need already.
I am done with this topic now if you are against respec your plain and simple mental. Respec or I am done with this game haven't spent almost a year investing time and effort to get that thrown out the window over a patch.
I am going to start hiding all the people's post whom say they are going to quit so I can see how long they last. I've already uninstalled. Then I will hide all your posts because if you don't play then you shouldn't be contributing to any discussions and the ones you do add to should be ignored because you clearly don't care enough to play so why should your comments be regarded as anything but trolling or totally inaccurate because you don't play the game. Looks like you lost DUST514, if you come back to the forums or play after uninstalling because you are mad, stating that you quit or anything in that vein. DUST514 beat you. No need to respond because all of your post are hidden and considered useless if you don't play the game.
Who the f**k are you to decide who have the right to type in a open game forum?
Maybee you are part of some kind of Dust Gestapo police force I don't know about!
Now crawl back under the rock you came from troll.
War never changes
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
143
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:20:00 -
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Getting off topic people...
IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
365
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:23:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Please, no respec.
One of my favorite things about this game is that your choices have consequences. a respec no different than buying something and then trying to return in a year later when something new is released.
I'm against a respec ever again unless items are removed form game.
I TOTALY agree on this however when your choices are made mute buy a patch then a respec is in order. Like the mini logi that is going from fast ninja hacker to the fatty hugger that a mother will be proud of. There is more stuff like this in 1,8.
Al those that state what you are saying fail to come up with any solid argument against that what soever.
Me I have swayed from total respec to a respec only on the dropsuit command part.
Regards
Now I am done with this thread =ƒÿÆ
War never changes
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1894
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:33:00 -
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Still love this thread. 50 pages soon and I mean soon, should we start betting on if we get a respec?
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1195
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:47:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Still love this thread. 50 pages soon and I mean soon, should we start betting on if we get a respec? Half expect one. What i'm entirely sure about is that we will have this discussion again after every larger patch until CCP adopts a more incremental approach to balance.
Respecs, or lack thereof, is not the issue, -never has been and they are no long term solution for anybody but those who disagree with a persistent skill tree by default. The feedback request stickies is where people should devote their energy into instead.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1894
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:08:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Still love this thread. 50 pages soon and I mean soon, should we start betting on if we get a respec? Half expect one. What i'm entirely sure about is that we will have this discussion again after every larger patch until CCP adopts a more incremental approach to balance. Respecs, or lack thereof, are not the issue, -never have been and they are no long term solution for anybody but those who disagree with a persistent skill tree by default. The feedback request stickies is where people should devote their energy into instead.
+1
This is one of the better posts in this thread and couldn't agree more. We need content and it should be suits and weapons, trading/market and PVE in that order with tweaks for balancing in all of them. I would encourage a two or three month per update target -about four a year- with as many hot fixes as they can get out in between.
Our focus, especially well know or veteran players, should be with new players and in the feedback section. I am bad at the feedback part because I feel like I am not good at the game so my feedback about mechanics isn't valid. That's why I usually hang in the general, I don't nerd out on games because it will burn me out. Fast. Kind of goes with the new player thing also.
I am a good logi and stick up for real #logilove so I speak up for logi things that are good ideas or really bad ones. I might start trying more to get new players in a squad so I am not a hypocrite, as far as my above paragraph. I am a loner and I don't like my voice on coms so it is difficult. I guess just HTFU an do it.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1557
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:09:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:RayRay James wrote:Please, no respec.
One of my favorite things about this game is that your choices have consequences. a respec no different than buying something and then trying to return in a year later when something new is released.
I'm against a respec ever again unless items are removed form game. I TOTALY agree on this however when your choices are made mute buy a patch then a respec is in order. Like the mini logi that is going from fast ninja hacker to the fatty hugger that a mother will be proud of. There is more stuff like this in 1,8. Al those that state what you are saying fail to come up with any solid argument against that what soever. Me I have swayed from total respec to a respec only on the dropsuit command part. Regards Now I am done with this thread =ƒÿÆ
Minny Logi is still going to have a wicked fast hacking speed.
Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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Lynn Beck
Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men.
823
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:17:00 -
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Minlogi will go from around a 3 secon hack to a 5 second or so hack.
Compared to minscout who will hack in about 3.5 seconds.(3 lows as to 4)
In the new patch, a Gallogi will beat a minlogi in hacking.
No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ
Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's.
No i don't buy AUR
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
143
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Posted - 2014.03.08 12:47:00 -
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I could be down with the every 3 months Updates. But can they please not leave us in the dark like this consistently? Surely they have one person in Dust 514 PR reading these right? If not, I volunteer as tribute. I request on money, just a pizza break every 6 hours...
Oh and I'm still in favor of a respec. Yes Respecs are detrimental to the game, but this would be one of the last ones. I do not truly know. Would the community be down with a Respec now, letting their medium suit slots change and not get one, and then get one FINAL (TM) respec when the vehicle turrets and tanks are out?
IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
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Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:32:00 -
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respect it |
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1558
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:45:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Minlogi will go from around a 3 secon hack to a 5 second or so hack.
Compared to minscout who will hack in about 3.5 seconds.(3 lows as to 4)
In the new patch, a Gallogi will beat a minlogi in hacking.
Assuming you stack all the lows with codebreakers, your point?
Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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Interplanetary Insanitarium
293
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Posted - 2014.03.08 20:57:00 -
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NO RESPEC!!! YES RESET!!!
If you can determine who payed money towards the game they should definitely get some sort of benefit at the start of the reset. It could be tiered to give people who invested more money a slightly better boost but that's CCP's prerogative.
I didn't put any money toward the game and I think that would be totally fair.
Unless this isn't the final build. Then I guess wait til the next build comes out to reset otherwise people will panic.
If fists were food you'd be full right now.
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Patrick57
5849
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Posted - 2014.03.08 22:11:00 -
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WE DESERVE A RESPEC!!!
Now it's official. We're getting a respec. |
Patrick57
5849
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Posted - 2014.03.08 22:12:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Minlogi will go from around a 3 secon hack to a 5 second or so hack.
Compared to minscout who will hack in about 3.5 seconds.(3 lows as to 4)
In the new patch, a Gallogi will beat a minlogi in hacking. It will also have **** for HP.
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Vordred Knight
Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
24
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Posted - 2014.03.08 23:20:00 -
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has this thread finally died, You all was so close to hitting 50 only 4 more pages to go guess you all are exhausted huh?
HE'S GONNA GET YA AHAHAHAHAHA!!!
For FREEDOM!!!!!!
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Ace Starburst
PiZzA DuDeS
62
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:33:00 -
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Ace Starburst supports dropsuit skill and weapon respec. It would be nice to get two maxed out heavies of contrasting styles like I wanted from the start. Granted I can still do that and it would take longer, but I would be less enthusiastic about the process and the game in general, and therefore less likely to encourage others to play the game.
Ace Starbust also supports this thread getting 50 pages. |
Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
150
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:52:00 -
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CCP anything?
Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet.
Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0.
Yea that old.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1905
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:54:00 -
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Vordred Knight wrote:has this thread finally died, You all was so close to hitting 50 only 4 more pages to go guess you all are exhausted huh?
It is difficult, I have been doing it for a while now. 50 here we come!
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Bulldozza Smash
Ultramarine Corp
22
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Posted - 2014.03.09 01:40:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Dear CCP, I know you are adverse to the idea of respecs. As Atli Mar said at EVE Vegas in the DUST keynote, the cost of rebalancing is substantial and is disruptive for the community and for you guys. While New Eden is built partly on the premise of living with your choices but there are several good reasons for a respec: Overdue racial parity Racial parity should have been in the game when you launched back in May 2013 but it wasn't. People have spent time and AUR to spec into what we were given but in all fairness had this stuff been in for launch it would have all been taken care of back then. One final respec is all that's needed now that this large (missing) chunk of the game is about to role out. Everything has changed! A lot of the freedom that we have at the moment is being taken away via more accurate racial tech affinities. There will be many with dropsuits and weapons that simply don't synergise. A full infantry respec is the right thing to do here. Increased lore awareness and faction loyalty I have seen many in the community who have found an affinity to one race or another for whatever reasons. I know that I want to go ALL Gallente on my 32 mill SP main and Minmatar on Covert, my 3 mill SP pride and joy. Support the community's love of the lore/races with a respec. We have been loyal We have stayed and supported your game over the past 2 years. We have bought AUR for a game that is incomplete, has been broken, had exploits and things like the 3 month tank stomp that took place when you made vehicles god mode. With PS4 here and many other games around, don't **** on those who have done their part to support your game. If DUST has a 10 year roadmap (and beyond?) then what is one final respec after the first year of release. I don't support respecs normally. I spent my SP wisely on things that accommodated my own strengths and never chased FotMs and I am 100% behind 'living with your choices' but with massive sweping changes and as a reward for enduring the ******* clusterfuck of tank **** we had for the last quarter year, do your fanbase right. Sincerely COVERT
Completely agreed, if you are going to add vast now content that with greatly alter the game I don't think a respec is unreasonable at all. Respecs for certain weapons yes but a change on this scale need a respec to all skills (except vehicle skills)... I mean corporation management to there are guys out there that spend a tonne of SP on corp skills and now don't need them at all lol. I know that is a bit of a push but i want a challenging and tactical game and the more SP my enemies and allies have to spend the better.
Bulldozza Smash
CEO
Ultramarine Corp
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1198
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:20:00 -
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Bulldozza Smash wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Dear CCP, I know you are adverse to the idea of respecs. As Atli Mar said at EVE Vegas in the DUST keynote, the cost of rebalancing is substantial and is disruptive for the community and for you guys. While New Eden is built partly on the premise of living with your choices but there are several good reasons for a respec: Overdue racial parity Racial parity should have been in the game when you launched back in May 2013 but it wasn't. People have spent time and AUR to spec into what we were given but in all fairness had this stuff been in for launch it would have all been taken care of back then. One final respec is all that's needed now that this large (missing) chunk of the game is about to role out. Everything has changed! A lot of the freedom that we have at the moment is being taken away via more accurate racial tech affinities. There will be many with dropsuits and weapons that simply don't synergise. A full infantry respec is the right thing to do here. Increased lore awareness and faction loyalty I have seen many in the community who have found an affinity to one race or another for whatever reasons. I know that I want to go ALL Gallente on my 32 mill SP main and Minmatar on Covert, my 3 mill SP pride and joy. Support the community's love of the lore/races with a respec. We have been loyal We have stayed and supported your game over the past 2 years. We have bought AUR for a game that is incomplete, has been broken, had exploits and things like the 3 month tank stomp that took place when you made vehicles god mode. With PS4 here and many other games around, don't **** on those who have done their part to support your game. If DUST has a 10 year roadmap (and beyond?) then what is one final respec after the first year of release. I don't support respecs normally. I spent my SP wisely on things that accommodated my own strengths and never chased FotMs and I am 100% behind 'living with your choices' but with massive sweping changes and as a reward for enduring the ******* clusterfuck of tank **** we had for the last quarter year, do your fanbase right. Sincerely COVERT Completely agreed, if you are going to add vast now content that with greatly alter the game I don't think a respec is unreasonable at all. Respecs for certain weapons yes but a change on this scale need a respec to all skills (except vehicle skills)... I mean corporation management to there are guys out there that spend a tonne of SP on corp skills and now don't need them at all lol. I know that is a bit of a push but i want a challenging and tactical game and the more SP my enemies and allies have to spend the better. Well that's odd... first you quote, in full, COVERT SUBTERFUGE's post and "completely agree" with what he says yet shortly afterwords you strongly imply to be in favor of refunding skills simply because some people might no longer need them.
Judging by the last segment of the quote i'm pretty sure that COVERT SUBTERFUGE would not, by any stretch of the imagination agree with this sentiment. His post can not be construed to be in support such a position either.
I have an eerie sense of d+¬j+á vu right now.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
568
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Posted - 2014.03.09 05:22:00 -
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To Medium Frame Users: With the medium frame slot count not yet released but knowing that there will be some stat adjustments to the medium frame, irrespective of a slot overhaul, I would add a word of caution if the respec goes through.
-WAIT-
Seriously. When suit changes hit along with new variants for each class I have no doubt that we will want to jump into a new suit to commit to one bonus or another. But I would caution you to hold off until we know more because it sucks to make a change, commit, and then have that choice adjusted later on (we have all experienced it). So rather than risk the logi community, well medium frame community, crying for another respec after such changes we should look at our limited options.
1. We could choose to wait for the slot changes before committing to a suit. Focus on core upgrades, equipment, and a weapon or two while we wait for more news.
2. Knowing that some of us are committed to a race or bonus, regardless of changes, we will make the suit choice regardless of the future.
3. Choose a different class altogether - Scouts are the new Logi-lights. Or flee the Medium life and suit up in something a little heavier.
Whatever you choose - there may be more choices as this was a quick note - know that it will be most likely be permanent. I support a respec, but do with that all the large changes were in before a respec. Or a skill revamp altogether.
The Logi Code. The Way of the Logibro
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
145
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:18:00 -
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This works with me. I plan on going all Minmatar anyway, for better or worst, along with Core Dropsuits. So many people have SP they wish they didn't spend.
IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
812
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:29:00 -
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whens our weapon respec? Now? Please?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Reallusion GrimSleeper
Need Permission to Die LLC
6
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:43:00 -
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Like I was saying before....
FULL Respecs I think are a ridiculous request, however some are DEFINITELY due.
When new weapons come out = You don't need to use them to keep your current playstyle, it's like streetfighter or mortal kombat adding more characters. Are you tired of your current setup and want to learn something new? If not...
When new DropSuits come out = I would feel the same way as the above to the most point, BUT... there are significant differences when it comes to the racial choices (the racial bonuses). How do you go into FACTION Warfare as the Gallente race, but you are wearing Amarr armor and shooting with a Caldari or Minmatar gun? Some people want to stay completely loyal to their race (suits, guns, etc.) but if there is no option for them to do that in the beginning, then that's kind of a catch-22. My choice for heavy suit would probably be based on the look (i like to look FRESH on the battlefield... sue me) but in other people's cases they would probably much more rather their default classes. You should at least allow people of a natural race a respec of heavy dropsuits so they can pick their natural race if they choose. When the Gallaente, Caldari, and Minmatar heavies come, anyone that has selected their race as those should be allowed to respec into their SOLE race only. This would eliminate everyone doing it, but give people their proper suits.
When modules change = these modules are generally applied to a person's dropsuit EVERY GAME. I have a Logi - Sniper with 2x 25% dampeners / 3 complex light damage mods, etc. EVERY game that I bring him out, he has those complex mods on and in order to get decent kills, I cannot take those off. Now you are dropping his damage from mods by 50% and basically making a kala rifle do much less than a charge sniper rifle (which is by default going to be the only sniper rifle worth using now if you actually want a kill... and that does a half ass job too sometimes with the current state of hit detection)
^ Notice that I mentioned hit detection. Anytime your getting headshots and seeing it hit, blue sparking up, and ZERO life coming off... that needs a serious look. Some people have gotten this down to a science and know places to get where you literally cannot kill them outside of having a Thales and getting in a spot that you normally wouldn't get in anyway.
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Mell caneva
Megadex-ESP
15
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Posted - 2014.03.10 01:08:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Do it right CCP, don't screw over your dwindling player base that has stuck with you through all of the issues so far.
Refund everything not related to vehicle, every tree and ability you did not refund when you gave vehicle drivers the refund in 1.whatever.
You might actually see people start returning if you give back the SP people spent on things that have been changing drastically over the last 8-12 months.
This isn't about who does or does not deserve it (people will argue continuously for pages and pages on that) but more about respect and goodwill towards your community.
If you think that, you have to refound all the turrents and the vehicles because there will be dropsuit who have a 25% of resistance to the blaster weapons, 25% to the rail weapons, and 25% to the proyectile and explotion resistance. So the turrents will be affected too. Regards!
Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente.
Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
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Mell caneva
Megadex-ESP
15
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Posted - 2014.03.10 01:21:00 -
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Us have to respect the turrents too, they are affected, if us put resistance to blaster damage, to rail damage, to explotion damage. the turrents will be afecte too, so you have to respect that too :/
Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente.
Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
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Brian LaFleur
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
23
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Posted - 2014.03.10 03:48:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:This works with me. I plan on going all Minmatar anyway, for better or worst, along with Core Dropsuits. So many people have SP they wish they didn't spend.
I'm with ya on that. Min commando will be my go to for: anti vehicle, combat rifle/mass driver/ flay lock/ remotes =ƒÿÄ
Petals within petals, tadpole;
The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
145
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Posted - 2014.03.10 09:41:00 -
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I wish to have a full respec in regards to Weaponry, Dropsuit Core Upgrades, and Dropsuit Command. I do not wish to wear this filthy Amarr suit any longer, and I do not have time or SP to save up 2 million just so I can "get competitive." Yes, I am competitent with what I have, but is everyone? Look at blueberries sometimes!
Full respec please. I wish to have racial parity, and fight with a Boundless Combat Rifle on my Proto Minmatar Logistics, Assault, Heavy, Scout and Commando. I will even tell you my skills if I have a Respec
13 million SP
Lvl 5 Electronics Lvl 5 Engineering Lvl 5 Biotics Lvl 5 Kinetic Catalyzers Lvl 5 Profile dampeners Lvl 5 Repair tool Lvl 3 Scanners Lvl 3 Drop uplinks
Proto Flaylock Pistol Proto Nova Knives Proto Combat Rifle with full proficiency Proto Remotes
Proto Minmatar Logi (At first)
No idea how much I have left but I will be going into Minmatar Assault next =)
IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2827
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:29:00 -
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Give us a respec, a lot of people don't enjoy the game enough anymore to grind for the new stuff and all our suits are changing etc.
Not giving us a respec will not bring back the epic, adventurous feel from beta, the maps don't even look semi natural anymore, all the maps feel like arenas than maps. That epicness is gone. Theres nothing great about unlocking anything anymore because the differences are marginal. Its all just meh.
Out of every 30 recruits I get, I or rather YOU ccp are lucky to still have one playing this game after a week and I have been trying to build a corp with the same people for months. Most new players think your game is sht and a waste of time, I'm sorry.
Another thing is that new players used to buy into the potential, now they don't. I have not recruited any recycled vets so I can assure you that these trends are most definite, other corps trying to build notice the same trends. I am really hoping 1.8 injects some mmo into dust. I have been trying to make this corp work and I'm now on the third time with the same people and have been doing this for at least 6 months now.
Total recruits that stuck at dust in that time? About 10 out of hundreds.
The other trend is that due to the npe, new players do not understand tax rate or pc even after being enlightened, so generally I assume your game attracts idiot's ( based off of definite trends I have observed) and to make it worse, idiots without a shred of dust knowledge. So the other trend is for these new players to join an established corp and then quit a week or two later.
As my corp mate x7 lion stated, the game modes and depth sees dust become as bland and boring as any other shooter. Dust talks the talk like a regular Joe Larry but can walk for sht, dust has no legs in that department.
Also we need more game and less meta. I'm pretty sure that any game that has a forum which is just as fun as the game it serves a purpose for is not a good thing, stop promoting meta to cover the inadequacies in the game, its obvious.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Dust on the ps4 asap please
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
547
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:41:00 -
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At least let us respec suits... :P
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