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Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4856	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:15:00 - [26101] - Quote The nerf to range amps seems to be overkill. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, I'm sure data will say if it is. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 946	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:22:00 - [26102] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Hm, I just realised precision mods will be better at improving range than range amps. The range amp nerf is going to have to be changed, it's silly. Hmmmmm, what would I rather have in my low slot? 2-5m extra scan range or 140 armour? Spademan wrote: The nerf to range amps seems to be overkill. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, I'm sure data will say if it is. I don't necessarily like it either, but it does cut back on Logi role-bleeding CA/AM Scouts. If you were Field Commanding a PC, which would you rather have? Strong scans and a free orbital from a merc who's repping your heavy blob while dropping uplinks and ammo. Or slightly stronger scans from a 300HP Scout who does very little apart from trying not to die. There's also the Heavy+Logi Blob to consider; imagine if the Blobs had 12dB scans at 20-40 meters. There's no way that wouldn't be broken.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6329	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:35:00 - [26103] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Hm, I just realised precision mods will be better at improving range than range amps. The range amp nerf is going to have to be changed, it's silly. Hmmmmm, what would I rather have in my low slot? 2-5m extra scan range or 140 armour? It will be hard for them to really keep the range amps as is without added penalties they were discussing. Otherwise knifing and shotguns would be rendered completely non viable. I would be pissed, its going to be hard enough as it is with a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't cloak and no error knifing. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4856	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:45:00 - [26104] - Quote Would an airhorn going off every time you knife-kill someone make things better or worse? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 948	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:49:00 - [26105] - Quote Spademan wrote: Would an airhorn going off every time you knife-kill someone make things better or worse? We should totally push for this. Lose the RE. Equip Airhorn. Blast it at your opponent to announce your presence. Shank him anyway. It'd be like stunt knifing! Imagine the Jolly Roger videos!
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6331	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:55:00 - [26106] - Quote Spademan wrote: Would an airhorn going off every time you knife-kill someone make things better or worse? Depends on how much it deafened them. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4858	Posted - 2014.12.04 00:24:00 - [26107] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Spademan wrote: Would an airhorn going off every time you knife-kill someone make things better or worse? Depends on how much it deafened them. What if entirely but in return it also deafened you. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5660	Posted - 2014.12.04 00:54:00 - [26108] - Quote Quote by one of my lads Me Boy wrote: You should just try to have funGÇª that does not mean don't try to win. Just don't forget to have fun playing He said this to his little sister while playing a game together. MOAR Ladders
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6334	Posted - 2014.12.04 00:58:00 - [26109] - Quote Spademan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Spademan wrote: Would an airhorn going off every time you knife-kill someone make things better or worse? Depends on how much it deafened them. What if entirely but in return it also deafened you. Depends on whose squad I jumped into. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8486	Posted - 2014.12.04 01:35:00 - [26110] - Quote Spademan wrote: Would an airhorn going off every time you knife-kill someone make things better or worse? Only if it sounds like this every time With this barely audible in the background. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.

Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2013	Posted - 2014.12.04 02:28:00 - [26111] - Quote Moving back to Cairns. Will be absent for a while, and will be very absent from Dust for the foreseeable future. Some time next year at the earliest, like March maybe. Peace. Bayeth out. We'll bang, OK?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5660	Posted - 2014.12.04 02:29:00 - [26112] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Moving back to Cairns. Will be absent for a while, and will be very absent from Dust for the foreseeable future. Some time next year at the earliest, like March maybe. Peace. Bayeth out. o7 Bang out Okay MOAR Ladders
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 958	Posted - 2014.12.04 02:41:00 - [26113] - Quote Safe travels, Bayeth! We'll be here when you get back. If not, you know where to find us. o7
LeGoose SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 711	Posted - 2014.12.04 03:20:00 - [26114] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Moving back to Cairns. Will be absent for a while, and will be very absent from Dust for the foreseeable future. Some time next year at the earliest, like March maybe. Peace. Bayeth out. Hey I know where that is and spent a few days there! o7 Bayeth see you in the nearish future and hopefully dust will be in a more stable state. Click it! I dare you...
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6337	Posted - 2014.12.04 03:42:00 - [26115] - Quote Holy cow, how did I miss this?! CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12808	Posted - 2014.12.04 03:58:00 - [26116] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: Nice to know Rattati takes a pretty solid stance on this myth that somehow we're a force for keeping Scouts in their current OP position (he shuts Cat down multiple times in the thread). https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2494758#post2494758 He didn't shut me down, but I'll say no further because ban hammer He didn't shut you up, but he shut you up. Logic. He didn't shut me up due to arguing against any argument, he shut me up due to ban hammer looming over the horizon. There's a difference. Keep digging and see what you find. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2014.12.04 04:00:00 - [26117] - Quote lol well I have been going though the number and I really hate this EWAR update of CCP Rattati. I bet we scouts will see gall & amarr assault with 2-3 complex precision for highs (maybe 1 damage mod) and 1 complex range amp 1 complex armor rep with 3 complex armor plates. the assault will see a Minnie scout with 3 damps at 7 meters (well he will see most scouts lol). so no more hiding on the box or behind it while cloaked so we could nova knife him. lol shotgunners are ok since most shots are at 10 meters.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6337	Posted - 2014.12.04 04:19:00 - [26118] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: lol well I have been going though the number and I really hate this EWAR update of CCP Rattati. I bet we scouts will see gall & amarr assault with 2-3 complex precision for highs (maybe 1 damage mod) and 1 complex range amp 1 complex armor rep with 3 complex armor plates. the assault will see a Minnie scout with 3 damps at 7 meters (well he will see most scouts lol). so no more hiding on the box or behind it while cloaked so we could nova knife him. lol shotgunners are ok since most shots are at 10 meters. I don't like it either, but I am trying to take the long view of it. I initially anticipate it really hurting scouts as a whole (since even flipping heavies can get some sort of quasi scout role...), and believe it will be amended ant tailored in the future to make things better again. I think it will be messy, because with this amount of complexity it means adjusting one thing that is imbalanced makes what was actually balanced imbalanced (see many of the scout changes recently and how they take suits/roles that were not over performing and making them less viable). But I also think that at least they will work on it. And maybe give me a boy scout patch for putting up with this stuff. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 962	Posted - 2014.12.04 04:23:00 - [26119] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: ... lol shotgunners are ok since most shots are at 10 meters. 10 meters!? I'd be thrilled. That's twice the SG's current optimal. Was there something I missed in the patchnotes?
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2014.12.04 04:35:00 - [26120] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: jace silencerww wrote: ... lol shotgunners are ok since most shots are at 10 meters. 10 meters!? I'd be thrilled. That's twice the SG's current optimal. Was there something I missed in the patchnotes? you can hit at 15 meter and 17-19 with the breach. true though the best range is 5 but at 10 you still have great damage but not against armor.

Jebus McKing Jebus Hates Scans 1187	Posted - 2014.12.04 07:14:00 - [26121] - Quote The whole problem with range amp being too effective is caused by the OP short range scans. Why exactly do short range scans have to be that good anyway? Someone care to explain? You have been scanned
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2014.12.04 07:34:00 - [26122] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: The whole problem with range amp being too effective is caused by the OP short range scans. Why exactly do short range scans have to be that good anyway? Someone care to explain? great question ask CCP Rattati
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 450	Posted - 2014.12.04 07:48:00 - [26123] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: lol well I have been going though the number and I really hate this EWAR update of CCP Rattati. I bet we scouts will see gall & amarr assault with 2-3 complex precision for highs (maybe 1 damage mod) and 1 complex range amp 1 complex armor rep with 3 complex armor plates. the assault will see a Minnie scout with 3 damps at 7 meters (well he will see most scouts lol). so no more hiding on the box or behind it while cloaked so we could nova knife him. lol shotgunners are ok since most shots are at 10 meters. An assault will only need 1 precision to see a min scout with 3 damps at short range. I understand why range amps have to be nerfed, I just don't like it. I think I should make a spreadsheet. I'm a bit late though lol. Though it will still be good to see the current proposal in action. I think I will get more support for my ideas after people see what it's like in 1.10.
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2014.12.04 08:13:00 - [26124] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: jace silencerww wrote: lol well I have been going though the number and I really hate this EWAR update of CCP Rattati. I bet we scouts will see gall & amarr assault with 2-3 complex precision for highs (maybe 1 damage mod) and 1 complex range amp 1 complex armor rep with 3 complex armor plates. the assault will see a Minnie scout with 3 damps at 7 meters (well he will see most scouts lol). so no more hiding on the box or behind it while cloaked so we could nova knife him. lol shotgunners are ok since most shots are at 10 meters. An assault will only need 1 precision to see a min scout with 3 damps at short range. I understand why range amps have to be nerfed, I just don't like it. I think I should make a spreadsheet. I'm a bit late though lol. Though it will still be good to see the current proposal in action. I think I will get more support for my ideas after people see what it's like in 1.10. with 3 damps on the Minnie scout db is 15.85 with just 1 complex precision his short scan is 16.20 so he will need 2 complex precision. 13.38db scan
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 450	Posted - 2014.12.04 08:40:00 - [26125] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: with 3 damps on the Minnie scout db is 15.85 with just 1 complex precision his short scan is 16.20 so he will need 2 complex precision. 13.38db scan Profile and precision are rounded to the nearest whole number. So both the profile and precision will be 16db. Ties go to the scanner, so an assault or logi with one precision enhancer will scan a Minmatar or Amarr scout with three profile dampeners in short range (uncloaked).
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2014.12.04 09:17:00 - [26126] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: jace silencerww wrote: with 3 damps on the Minnie scout db is 15.85 with just 1 complex precision his short scan is 16.20 so he will need 2 complex precision. 13.38db scan Profile and precision are rounded to the nearest whole number. So both the profile and precision will be 16db. Ties go to the scanner, so an assault or logi with one precision enhancer will scan a Minmatar or Amarr scout with three profile dampeners in short range (uncloaked). are you sure if they round to the closest whole number? did you ask CCP? I mean the armor reps other stats don't round so until CCP says it rounds I will not count rounding off.
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 450	Posted - 2014.12.04 10:15:00 - [26127] - Quote According to testing done by various fans of close shaves, the values round. I haven't tested it myself but this is the premise that scan tables etc. are based upon. CCP may have confirmed it, I'm not sure.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8500	Posted - 2014.12.04 12:57:00 - [26128] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: According to testing done by various fans of close shaves, the values round. I haven't tested it myself but this is the premise that scan tables etc. are based upon. CCP may have confirmed it, I'm not sure. We've known this for forever. Earliest I can remember was finding this out myself with the old scout bonus. Lvl 3 base dampening and lvl 3 scout technically got you below vehicle scanners, but since it rounded up, you would get scanned. You had to get one of the two to four, and this is when I found out (myself) about scan rounding. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8503	Posted - 2014.12.04 13:00:00 - [26129] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: jace silencerww wrote: ... lol shotgunners are ok since most shots are at 10 meters. 10 meters!? I'd be thrilled. That's twice the SG's current optimal. Was there something I missed in the patchnotes? you can hit at 15 meter and 17-19 with the breach. true though the best range is 5 but at 10 you still have great damage but not against armor. I'm calling BS on that. Extensive use in both shotguns. 90% of the time, shots are CRAP after about 8m. All up to luck after that. However, I typically wait until they're in shotgun optimal to start shooting. Why put 3 rounds downrange at 10m when you can put 1 down at 5? Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1300	Posted - 2014.12.04 13:14:00 - [26130] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Spademan wrote: Would an airhorn going off every time you knife-kill someone make things better or worse? We should totally push for this. Lose the RE. Equip Airhorn. Blast it at your opponent to announce your presence. Shank him anyway. It'd be like stunt knifing! Imagine the Jolly Roger videos! Personal preference really I'd think. I'd go for the siren from silent hill when I toss an RE and the jaws theme when I'm running with knifes. The intensity varying on the range to the victim of course. XD Ilike the idea though, that's less editing haha TLDR : Last Dust Montage



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