You could help so much more, if you chose to be constructive. That being said, that comment is on the borderline, if not crossing.

Then I guess my greatest accomplishment was the 1.7 scout buff; that was absolutely a terrible idea and should never have happened.

And what part of that, exactly, was your idea?
You just happened to do something entirely different from what you did with your work on Sniper Rifles and pushed for the opinion of the people that actually used the suit over your own opinion.
Good job on that, by the way. I really don't think I can compliment this group enough for having a much more influential role than the last one.
Because all I see is another person with a CPM tag rewriting the past despite quotable posts saying otherwise.

By this same logic isn't the Cal a terrible scout? What with their oh so terrible 2 low slots. They sure don't seem to be struggling.

I think you are over reacting Jace. The precise scans are very short range. You could knife someone before they notice you pop up on radar, not to mention the tacnet delay (not proven to myself it exists, but it seems to).

That said, I'm a bit worried about the forum's opinion on knifing. People seem to think it's just a case of running up behind someone and stabbing. Ok for stationary targets, but most targets are moving. Moving targets take a lot of chasing, stalking and stabbing thin air before getting a kill. It's not as easy as people seem to think.

There will be times enemies will be alerted by the short range scan and escape a knife attack.

I'm not whining about it. It just worries me when forum opinion varies significantly from reality.

Also it seems a shame to incorporate a nerf (even if it's a minor one) that targets nova knifers without really hurting the more problematic shotgun and rifle scouts.

Will the short scans warn people about REs? Or will there not be enough time before detonation?

Yo Rattati, what are your plans for the minmatar scout? All the recent changes have really hit it hard. Do you plan to change the cloak delay at all?

Ok, you have a point about hiding round corners and sneaking up on groups. It depends how long it takes to register on radar. I still don't think it's going to be a huge problem, but did nova knifers really need nerfing? I don't see this short scan having much effect on shotgunners, or REs, or rifle scouts.

To Lynn Beck,
Your two damps won't help you. An assault or logi with 1 precision enhancer will still scan you at short range even with 3 damps.

The short scan doesn't encourage the use of EWAR mods as damps won't work against it and enhancers aren't needed (much).

I think it's time to recognise that Min scouts can't survive with worse dampening than other scouts. From this starting point, EWAR balance can be discussed much more easily. Then we can think about the fact that one enhancer is all a medium suit needs to pick up any (including Gallente and Caldari) scout with two damps at short range.

The range is too short to affect anyone except knifers , and too powerful to be allowed to be extended to a useful amount.

We should probably wait and see how it goes for a bit first though.

It will secure the KN role to Strickly minja though because no other scout is fast enough to get in and out.... Maybe???

10 meters!? I'd be thrilled. That's twice the SG's current optimal. Was there something I missed in the patchnotes?

The whole problem with range amp being too effective is caused by the OP short range scans.

Why exactly do short range scans have to be that good anyway? Someone care to explain?

An assault will only need 1 precision to see a min scout with 3 damps at short range.

I understand why range amps have to be nerfed, I just don't like it. I think I should make a spreadsheet. I'm a bit late though lol. Though it will still be good to see the current proposal in action. I think I will get more support for my ideas after people see what it's like in 1.10.

Profile and precision are rounded to the nearest whole number. So both the profile and precision will be 16db. Ties go to the scanner, so an assault or logi with one precision enhancer will scan a Minmatar or Amarr scout with three profile dampeners in short range (uncloaked).

Don't worry I will! It doesn't really matter if I do or if I don't...

Most of the time actually getting into a match for Gallente is an acheivement: (keep in mind EU tz and so on)
Queue Time: <30+mins
Match against randoms: ~5-10mins
Queue Time again... QQ

Had a blast while playing late at night yesterday.
Actually got into a few matches.

Last match I ran into Mina's Caldari Team. (Really good fight btw)
Had our newfound SL AWOX our squad with OBs, once while we were assaulting a point that match (he got kicked pretty quickly, and after the match he wanted the squad to run pubs instead...)
~ Was like: O.O "The **** just happened?"
Otherwise the match was really good fun, with the Caldari playing well and winning the match by several ticks.

I've been thinking about this a little bit, and how, when someone is dead, their passives continue to be shared with their squad until their clone is terminated.

If you are taking advantage of the fact that they couldn't see you on TACNET to kill a group of people, it only means one thing: that group of people are not on coms together. What I am trying to say is that having someone's shortest scan broadcasted to TACNET after they die, revealing your position to the rest of her/his squad, is basically the same as trying to take out an organized squad with coms. When you kill one, they will all turn around whether you are on TACNET or not. You have to embrace this as an added difficulty but also a NECESSARY one if you ever hope to up your game and face PC level opponents. I am guilty of taking advantage of my target's silence hundreds of times. That will soon change, but hopefully will prepare me for a much higher caliber of opponent.

You see, right there is your problem.

Don't get spotted

@ Scouts

With Passive Scans as they are today and Active Scans the forte of another, tomorrow's Scout will be less about scouting and more about sneaking, shenanigans and assassination. All far more fun and rewarding than recon, so you'll hear no complaints from me :-)

If tomorrow's Scouts are to become more like Assassins, shouldn't each have a knife to call his own?

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And how might each of these beauties behave?

Uncharged Attack
Each exactly the same. Because Knife Duels are badass, and they're better this way.

Minmatar, Charged Attack
* Today's blades in Min skin
* Equal damage to armor and shields
* The hardest and most reliable option
* "Don't touch my knives, bro." - Musturd

Amarr, Charged Attack
* Four fast slashes
* Quick to charge
* Slight stunlock on hit
* Massive damage to armor; negligible damage to shields
* Inspiration: http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Flurry_of_blows

Gallente, Charged Attack
* Perfectly silent and longer range
* Quick to charge
* Massive damage to shields; negligible damage to armor
* Inspiration: http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/High-frequency_blade

Caldari, Charged Attack
* Ballistic knives, mothatruckahs!
* Slow to charge
* One projectile fired per charge; total "ammo" of two
* Projectiles regenerate after cooldown
* Equal damage to armor and shields
* Inspiration: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Ballistic_Knife

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Fun, right? What would you guys like to see in future knives?

But my scout don't use knives or kincats. I play my gal scout as a dampened marksman scout with a tac-ar. scan range and precision use to be my helper skills but range was taken away and now nerfed to **** and precision kinda useless now also. If i wanted to be a fast NK scout I would be a min scout.

how so? by making ewar scouts pointless. besides all of my ewar scouts have less than 400 ehp at the max (most have 300ehp). most assault have 600-800 ehp. oh plus being back slayer logis. throw equipment and crap can not change to my assault so slayer logi it is. put it this way a sentinel with 4 complex precision can pick my ewar caldari scout at medium range?! so logis can have longer range and as almost as strong ewar scans plus higher ehp. plus just about any other suit can pick me up at short - medium range with 1-2 complex precisions with 3 complex they can pick up my 2 complex damps gall or cald scout at short - medium range. what the freak?! so why the heck would anyone run ewar scouts now? so yup only real option left, brick scouts it is then lol.

Gal bonus-
faster RE activation XD
Larger blast radius
More damage.
You pick lol.
But then again I'm a lil partial toward the remotes.

Efficacy Bonus to all Biotics!

But those are minor concessions really. Even as a Minja, I am fine if they could be faster (which I don't know that they can, they start off much slower) with some sort of a bonus.

Punching has very finicky HD at the moment, so that isn't a big deal either.

Now that I think about it, would those even be enough? Sounds like it would be primarily an LOL suit, not something terribly viable.