By this same logic isn't the Cal a terrible scout? What with their oh so terrible 2 low slots. They sure don't seem to be struggling.

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how is a Minnie scout going to nova knife people?

He didn't shut me down, but I'll say no further because ban hammer

I want each frame to have mass, each module to have mass, and speed is dynamically related to mass.

base speed = 6 at zero mass


Scout = 100 (could substitute mass for hp)
base speed 100/X = 5.2
plate = 10
1 plate = 10% speed reduction
5 plates = 50% reduction
new speed = base speed * penalty

Sentinel = 500
base speed = 500/X = 4.5
plate = 10
1 plate = 2% speed reduction
5 plates = 10% reduction
new speed = base speed * penalty

penalty wouldn't have to be linear

I already have some calculations and ideas without a true encumbrance model, I can share that

I think you are over reacting Jace. The precise scans are very short range. You could knife someone before they notice you pop up on radar, not to mention the tacnet delay (not proven to myself it exists, but it seems to).

That said, I'm a bit worried about the forum's opinion on knifing. People seem to think it's just a case of running up behind someone and stabbing. Ok for stationary targets, but most targets are moving. Moving targets take a lot of chasing, stalking and stabbing thin air before getting a kill. It's not as easy as people seem to think.

There will be times enemies will be alerted by the short range scan and escape a knife attack.

I'm not whining about it. It just worries me when forum opinion varies significantly from reality.

Also it seems a shame to incorporate a nerf (even if it's a minor one) that targets nova knifers without really hurting the more problematic shotgun and rifle scouts.

Will the short scans warn people about REs? Or will there not be enough time before detonation?

Yo Rattati, what are your plans for the minmatar scout? All the recent changes have really hit it hard. Do you plan to change the cloak delay at all?

Will the short scans warn people about REs? Or will there not be enough time before detonation?

I am not over doing it but look. 3 guys running to a staircase normally I could nk them all from behind using my adv fit with 2 damps and they would not see me on radar all but now with this you will be spotted after the first guy. fyi raptor jumps wont be working remember they will see you within 7-9 meters so guess what the box is 6 meters his squadmates blasts you before you can even jump.

a big problem is I love nk gal scouts in the back using 3 damps by hiding on the other side of boxes waiting for him to move close or by the box but with this new system he will see me on the another side before in walks into strike range or hiding from a squad of proto stompers that would have missed me now see me yay thanks for killing me proto stompers

He didn't shut me down, but I'll say no further because ban hammer

Edit: If any of you feel like it, you may add me on skype and talk there about it.
I'm open to be "enlightened" if you feel like you can convince me.

He didn't shut me down, but I'll say no further because ban hammer

I want each frame to have mass, each module to have mass, and speed is dynamically related to mass.

base speed = 6 at zero mass


Scout = 100 (could substitute mass for hp)
base speed 100/X = 5.2
plate = 10
1 plate = 10% speed reduction
5 plates = 50% reduction
new speed = base speed * penalty

Sentinel = 500
base speed = 500/X = 4.5
plate = 10
1 plate = 2% speed reduction
5 plates = 10% reduction
new speed = base speed * penalty

penalty wouldn't have to be linear

I already have some calculations and ideas without a true encumbrance model, I can share that

I want each frame to have mass, each module to have mass, and speed is dynamically related to mass.

base speed = 6 at zero mass


Scout = 100 (could substitute mass for hp)
base speed 100/X = 5.2
plate = 10
1 plate = 10% speed reduction
5 plates = 50% reduction
new speed = base speed * penalty

Sentinel = 500
base speed = 500/X = 4.5
plate = 10
1 plate = 2% speed reduction
5 plates = 10% reduction
new speed = base speed * penalty

penalty wouldn't have to be linear

I already have some calculations and ideas without a true encumbrance model, I can share that

Okay been awayGǪ
Interesting goings on while I was out.
What has actually changed in game at this point?
Did anything get dropped in as a hot fix in the past three days?

I want each frame to have mass, each module to have mass, and speed is dynamically related to mass.

base speed = 6 at zero mass


Scout = 100 (could substitute mass for hp)
base speed 100/X = 5.2
plate = 10
1 plate = 10% speed reduction
5 plates = 50% reduction
new speed = base speed * penalty

Sentinel = 500
base speed = 500/X = 4.5
plate = 10
1 plate = 2% speed reduction
5 plates = 10% reduction
new speed = base speed * penalty

penalty wouldn't have to be linear

I already have some calculations and ideas without a true encumbrance model, I can share that

Ok, you have a point about hiding round corners and sneaking up on groups. It depends how long it takes to register on radar. I still don't think it's going to be a huge problem, but did nova knifers really need nerfing? I don't see this short scan having much effect on shotgunners, or REs, or rifle scouts.

To Lynn Beck,
Your two damps won't help you. An assault or logi with 1 precision enhancer will still scan you at short range even with 3 damps.

The short scan doesn't encourage the use of EWAR mods as damps won't work against it and enhancers aren't needed (much).

I think it's time to recognise that Min scouts can't survive with worse dampening than other scouts. From this starting point, EWAR balance can be discussed much more easily. Then we can think about the fact that one enhancer is all a medium suit needs to pick up any (including Gallente and Caldari) scout with two damps at short range.

The range is too short to affect anyone except knifers , and too powerful to be allowed to be extended to a useful amount.

We should probably wait and see how it goes for a bit first though.

He didn't shut you up, but he shut you up.

Logic.

The only "backchannel" communications were those between you and CPM on Skype. Every 'bit of feedback we provided to Rattati with is in that thread, and all we provided were concerns and cases to consider.

Backchannel?
It's far quicker and easier to communicate through Skype.

All of these conversations happened with like a gazillion other people in the same chat room.
None of it was done 1 on 1.

ok caldari scouts have a broke hit box plus they are stacking shield plus they have a 15% DAMPING as their bonus plus 10% range per level. so two dampners and a proto and poof unscannable.


oh btw thanks CCP Rattati
for killing the Minnie scout with the final numbers in your EWAR Concentric Circle Scan Falloff Design
how is a Minnie scout going to nova knife people? run dampners and we don't have the speed to close in behind reds. run speed and get spotted at 10-25 meters. so yea thanks again... there goes a huge waste of time and skill points learned to run Minnie scout & nova kniving.

Backchannel?
It's far quicker and easier to communicate through Skype.

All of these conversations happened with like a gazillion other people in the same chat room.
None of it was done 1 on 1.

The Forums provide a written, transparent and permanent record. If Party A believes Party B to be less than honest, and Party B believes the same of Party A, then why would the Parties opt to debate anything off-the-record?

Once again, this is all theory, but I actually can't wait to see how this plays out. I will also finally be skilling into precision and range V, as I never had a reason to run them on my Min Scout before. Now all my suits can benefit from it.

that is the point most Minnie scouts use the nova knife this will hurt them over the others. look at it this way the only real advantage Minnie scout have is to the nk. here is why. yes the hacking speed it great but with 3 complex codebreaks we can hack super fast but can be seen easily by other scouts while a gal scout can put 2 damps and proto cloak with 2 codebreakers and can truly stealth hack without being seen. gal scout with 2 complex breakers hacking is 2 even while the Minnie with 2 is 2.62. so it is faster but it is 75-90% for the Minnie to be killed after the hack while trying to get away. yes I tested this but using the gall I got away over 50-75% of the time. why? because I was damped.

The Forums provide a written, transparent and permanent record. If Party A believes Party B to be less than honest, and Party B believes the same of Party A, then why would the Parties opt to debate anything off-the-record?