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Bayeth Mal wrote:

Magnus.

We haven't been trying to get scouts buffed to OP. We wanted buffs pre 1.8 but when 1.8 was announced we became very concerned about becoming FotM which this barbershop community didn't want. We were vocal during pre hotfixes about not liking the OP EWAR of the Cal scout, and overall we're glad it got changed.

One of the suggestions that keeps coming up here is removing shared squad sight, but keeping it for active scanners.
The problem with being scanned by passive EWAR (as I see it) is that you got scanned by a scout sitting over to the side but all his heavy friends can see you too.

By removing shared passives, if a scout has to sacrifice mods to see you it reduces their combat capibility, sure they have the EWAR advantage but the assault has the HP advantage. None of us are happy with 900hp scouts running around.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone here running >550 hp on a proto suit, and there are some believe >350 hp is too much.

I for one dropped running a Shotgun (my bread and butter) in 1.8 when it became apparent it was the weapon of choice for FotM chasers and I refused to be part of that group.

Whatever you seem think this place is, it's not.
I don't know what conversations are going on outside of here because I just dont care, the Dust forums sit slightly above 4chan levels for impotent nerd rage for me, so I don't bother.
If people from here are coming out and trolling you, they are not representative of the whole.

Maybe some people here would disagree with what I said, we're not a unified whole, we argue with each other just as much as with anyone else. This is not a "circle jerk".

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Appia Nappia 1390	Posted - 2014.10.18 03:44:00 - [23731] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. How about a momentum indicator instead of directional one! THat'd be so much better. You think it's the same, then start walking backwards all the time to **** with people! So very tired
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2605	Posted - 2014.10.18 03:51:00 - [23732] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. How about a momentum indicator instead of directional one! THat'd be so much better. You think it's the same, then start walking backwards all the time to **** with people! LOL I seriously like my suggestion tho.... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 8857	Posted - 2014.10.18 03:59:00 - [23733] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2607	Posted - 2014.10.18 04:00:00 - [23734] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Have you seen my suggestion Rattati? If it were possible do you think that its balanced? EDIT: LINK "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
mollerz 5646	Posted - 2014.10.18 04:07:00 - [23735] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I log in and find that we have been infiltrated....damn. At least theres still the basement You see the off site bunker? I'm seriously fukn serious
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4876	Posted - 2014.10.18 04:12:00 - [23736] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Betting we are not looking at hot fixable eitherGÇª Though since BPO's are back and legion not green yet (I know it takes time to make a move on a project like that) should i in a noncommittalGÇª speculative but not optimism building kinda way guess that maybe more full patches may be happening? Savvy? KRRROOOOOOM
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12712	Posted - 2014.10.18 04:27:00 - [23737] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: The only reason the CreoDron Shotgun really has a chance is because its massive damage per clip value. And cloak, allowing you to effectively close the distance on maps that would usually be terrible for shotguns. And massive alpha. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 821	Posted - 2014.10.18 04:32:00 - [23738] - Quote I just played my first match of Dust in about 2 weeks, and immediately after somebody send me a message telling me to get a life :( I also got a message from another guy asking me to join his corp, so I figure that's a productive enough match to start and end with Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2614	Posted - 2014.10.18 04:47:00 - [23739] - Quote The cloaked shotgun scout dilemma: 1. The shotgun is bad. Admit it. We all know that it is still outclassed by fine rifles except in the hands of a very elite few. 2. The cloak is bad. It shines, glows in the dark, and makes pretty colors that came out of my little sisters rainbow fairy princess drawing book, and if you can be scanned, you get a nice little red "shoot me" sign pointing to your head. In addition, were getting a fire delay in 1.9 (which is needed, i guess. It prevents people from sitting in a corner and uncloaking and instapopping every blueberry in a scrub suit that walks by. I just hope it isn't overdone. If it is anymore than what the proposed (.33s) value is, it'll be useless) 3. The scout is balanced, but if nerfed in any way, will be rendered absolutely useless except as a shared passives tool for HMG heavies or slayer assaults. So whats my point? The shotgun scout is balanced. People just need to realize that alpha weapons should be able to kill them, and that it isn't a scrub tactic. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Appia Nappia 1392	Posted - 2014.10.18 04:54:00 - [23740] - Quote Shotgun isn't really balanced. Alpha strike weapons in general aren't. Each weapon increases from STD to ADV by 5% and from ADV to PRO by another 5%. In situations with a DPS rifle the effects are very noticeable. But in alpha strike weapons, it's all about the number of volleys to kill. A 10% damage difference really doesn't offer a change in the number of shots to kill Swarms and Forge Guns are fine though, because their lack of progression is matched to the vehicle's lack of progression. CreoDron is hitting where it should. Allotek is way off the mark. Shotgun is OP. Breach Shotgun in on par. So very tired

Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 432	Posted - 2014.10.18 05:58:00 - [23741] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Betting we are not looking at hot fixable eitherGÇª Though since BPO's are back and legion not green yet (I know it takes time to make a move on a project like that) should i in a noncommittalGÇª speculative but not optimism building kinda way guess that maybe more full patches may be happening? Savvy? Actually, I think a good compromise would be to seriously reduce the scan radius when the cloak is active (something that CCP Rattati hinted will be coming, perhaps in 1.9?). This would mean a scouts role would be to provide Intel to its squad, but have to be uncloaked to do so. I have to admit I sometimes run a Caldari scout (proto) with boosted precision and shotgun for the giggles. Running around invisible and 20/20 vision on everybody else (even some cloaked scouts) is fun.... Broken, but fun
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1614	Posted - 2014.10.18 06:07:00 - [23742] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Thanks for the heads up, I might have missed it but is there a list of talking points you're wanting ideas or suggestions on for 1.9? Is it possible to get a fluctuating market set up? Where things like supply/demand can alter price but have it all calculated server side? I'm not an EvE player but I understand something like that already exists. Or am I wrong? What I'm thinking of is a situation where running a prototype RR or CR would be more expensive than a Proto Laser... until people cotton on and start using the laser and then the price goes up as it becomes more popular. People like me, sitting on massive gear stockpiles could ride this economic wave for fun and profit, buying and selling (this is what I've been wanting to do since before I even first played Dust ). When you log in you could get your market report, with lots of interesting graphs to poke over and decide what weapons you're gonna buy and sell. Will have to be careful to make sure it doesn't become PC lock down levels of exploitation. We'll bang, OK?
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 62	Posted - 2014.10.18 06:08:00 - [23743] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Wouldn't this just make damps more powerful than they should be and will lead to more people brick tanking scouts because they won't care enough to fit prescion if their mate 20m in front of him is still going to die to that shot gunner scout because now he can't see him.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8014	Posted - 2014.10.18 06:25:00 - [23744] - Quote [enters thread] Throws Flux [/leaves thread] CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
mollerz 5647	Posted - 2014.10.18 06:47:00 - [23745] - Quote We already have an AWOL scout... Goes by monk. He's our very own benjen stark if you will. Anyways, on his account, we have built in countermeasures for... Well, basically anything you could hope to detonate in here. I'm seriously fukn serious
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3308	Posted - 2014.10.18 09:38:00 - [23746] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: [enters thread] Throws Flux [/leaves thread] dances in flux effect to see if it will set of the violet highlights in his Quafe Minja Best I've managed on my quest so far is 8/8 still short of 11/11 but getting closer. Also, two of those eight were prototype Sentinels and one was an attached Logi so I feel a special glow about those Or maybe that's just the radiance of the Quafe suit going to my brain See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12719	Posted - 2014.10.18 11:45:00 - [23747] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The cloaked shotgun scout dilemma: 1. The shotgun is bad. Admit it. We all know that it is still outclassed by fine rifles except in the hands of a very elite few. 2. The cloak is bad. It shines, glows in the dark, and makes pretty colors that came out of my little sisters rainbow fairy princess drawing book, and if you can be scanned, you get a nice little red "shoot me" sign pointing to your head. In addition, were getting a fire delay in 1.9 (which is needed, i guess. It prevents people from sitting in a corner and uncloaking and instapopping every blueberry in a scrub suit that walks by. I just hope it isn't overdone. If it is anymore than what the proposed (.33s) value is, it'll be useless) 3. The scout is balanced, but if nerfed in any way, will be rendered absolutely useless except as a shared passives tool for HMG heavies or slayer assaults. So whats my point? The shotgun scout is balanced. People just need to realize that alpha weapons should be able to kill them, and that it isn't a scrub tactic. The cloak is either highly visible or impossible to see, depending on lighting conditions. Still a great tool even in dark maps if you time your movements according to when enemies are looking. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1616	Posted - 2014.10.18 12:07:00 - [23748] - Quote mollerz wrote: We already have an AWOL scout... Goes by monk. He's our very own benjen stark if you will. Anyways, on his account, we have built in countermeasures for... Well, basically anything you could hope to detonate in here. Messaged him on Facebook to see what he's up to. We'll bang, OK?
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1616	Posted - 2014.10.18 12:39:00 - [23749] - Quote Apparently there's a Nova Knifers United channel. Made by a guy who started playing in 1.8 Aw bless. We'll bang, OK?
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1616	Posted - 2014.10.18 13:58:00 - [23750] - Quote TPLAK Just got my first random exotic drop. Thunderlord http://destiny.wikia.com/wiki/Thunderlord Now my 4th exotic weapon (2 bounties and 1 Xur) We'll bang, OK?

Appia Nappia 1393	Posted - 2014.10.18 14:55:00 - [23751] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The cloaked shotgun scout dilemma: 1. The shotgun is bad. Admit it. We all know that it is still outclassed by fine rifles except in the hands of a very elite few. 2. The cloak is bad. It shines, glows in the dark, and makes pretty colors that came out of my little sisters rainbow fairy princess drawing book, and if you can be scanned, you get a nice little red "shoot me" sign pointing to your head. In addition, were getting a fire delay in 1.9 (which is needed, i guess. It prevents people from sitting in a corner and uncloaking and instapopping every blueberry in a scrub suit that walks by. I just hope it isn't overdone. If it is anymore than what the proposed (.33s) value is, it'll be useless) 3. The scout is balanced, but if nerfed in any way, will be rendered absolutely useless except as a shared passives tool for HMG heavies or slayer assaults. So whats my point? The shotgun scout is balanced. People just need to realize that alpha weapons should be able to kill them, and that it isn't a scrub tactic. The cloak is either highly visible or impossible to see, depending on lighting conditions. Still a great tool even in dark maps if you time your movements according to when enemies are looking. That's complete bullshit. The cloak is easy to see in all lighting conditions. If you think lighting condition effect visibility I suggest 2 things: Change you're settings to 720p and play on a monitor larger than 10" So very tired
Appia Nappia 1393	Posted - 2014.10.18 14:59:00 - [23752] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: TPLAK Just got my first random exotic drop. Thunderlord http://destiny.wikia.com/wiki/Thunderlord Now my 4th exotic weapon (2 bounties and 1 Xur) Sad that I don't have the 3 strange coins to purchase Truth. Best Rocket Launcher in the game. And I prefer Rockets to HMG. Too often in PvP to I die with ammo left, too often do I die in PvE because it's too inaccurate, due to recoil, to have better DPS than an Auto Rifle So very tired
Appia Nappia 1393	Posted - 2014.10.18 15:05:00 - [23753] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: [enters thread] Throws Flux [/leaves thread] dances in flux effect to see if it will set of the violet highlights in his Quafe Minja Best I've managed on my quest so far is 8/8 still short of 11/11 but getting closer. Also, two of those eight were prototype Sentinels and one was an attached Logi so I feel a special glow about those Or maybe that's just the radiance of the Quafe suit going to my brain Are you excited to breaking even in KDR with a Assault X-I? You really should stick to your rep-tool then. That's kind of embarrassing. So very tired
Appia Nappia 1393	Posted - 2014.10.18 15:08:00 - [23754] - Quote TRULY ELITE wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Wouldn't this just make damps more powerful than they should be and will lead to more people brick tanking scouts because they won't care enough to fit prescion if their mate 20m in front of him is still going to die to that shot gunner scout because now he can't see him. Yes, because any scout that uses any HP mod is instantly brick tanking. . . If dampeners were more powerful more people would use them. If they're dedicating low-slots to dampeners, they are incapable of brick tanking. So very tired
THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE Xer Cloud Consortium 57	Posted - 2014.10.18 15:16:00 - [23755] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Magnus. We haven't been trying to get scouts buffed to OP. We wanted buffs pre 1.8 but when 1.8 was announced we became very concerned about becoming FotM which this barbershop community didn't want. We were vocal during pre hotfixes about not liking the OP EWAR of the Cal scout, and overall we're glad it got changed. One of the suggestions that keeps coming up here is removing shared squad sight, but keeping it for active scanners. The problem with being scanned by passive EWAR (as I see it) is that you got scanned by a scout sitting over to the side but all his heavy friends can see you too. By removing shared passives, if a scout has to sacrifice mods to see you it reduces their combat capibility, sure they have the EWAR advantage but the assault has the HP advantage. None of us are happy with 900hp scouts running around. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone here running >550 hp on a proto suit, and there are some believe >350 hp is too much. I for one dropped running a Shotgun (my bread and butter) in 1.8 when it became apparent it was the weapon of choice for FotM chasers and I refused to be part of that group. Whatever you seem think this place is, it's not. I don't know what conversations are going on outside of here because I just dont care, the Dust forums sit slightly above 4chan levels for impotent nerd rage for me, so I don't bother. If people from here are coming out and trolling you, they are not representative of the whole. Maybe some people here would disagree with what I said, we're not a unified whole, we argue with each other just as much as with anyone else. This is not a "circle jerk". Cool story. That's why when anyone talks about balance, you guys justifying keeping them as they are in some manner. Most scouts seem to run nothing but scout and so can't really be taken seriously for balance while players like myself have many things at proto, so I can see how flawed a lot of you guys logic is, its always scout perception vs everything else rather than how everything plays out with you guys for the most part, one sided logic........ There's even someone in this thread saying shotguns are awful?, you guys never cease to amaze me. If you want to be in a clique, you'll get tied with the same brush. I'd say there's a handful of you who know what you are talking about at best. REMEMBER TO PROPERLY TERMINATE THEM CLONES!.
mollerz 5650	Posted - 2014.10.18 15:28:00 - [23756] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: TPLAK Just got my first random exotic drop. Thunderlord http://destiny.wikia.com/wiki/Thunderlord Now my 4th exotic weapon (2 bounties and 1 Xur) Dude I got exotics coming out of my ass. All I see at this point are huge shard sinks. Bad Juju, Invective, pocket infinity, supergood advice, gallajahorn (random drop), Suros (XUR), lucky raspberry (exotic engram from xur- *******!), ice breaker (nightfall strike drop), and arkhams young spine is what I carry. I also have the thorn and another invective bounty in my inventory.. both at the crucible point of tasks. I'm just waiting to get a good void weapon. If RNG sucks it can also suck the wrong way. IT really ruined playing the game for me.. not only did i max my char out, but i can't play a game without getting some awesome legendary or exotic. Attaining exotic weapons was the only thing left I had to grind for.. oh wait. grinding for shards is just silly. I'm seriously fukn serious
mollerz 5650	Posted - 2014.10.18 15:31:00 - [23757] - Quote THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: Cool story. Now let me tell you a cool story. It explains everything perfectly. You don't need to feel bad. oh yea.. DPLAK! I'm seriously fukn serious
THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE Xer Cloud Consortium 57	Posted - 2014.10.18 15:37:00 - [23758] - Quote mollerz wrote: THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: Cool story. Now let me tell you a cool story. It explains everything perfectly. You don't need to feel bad. oh yea.. DPLAK! You are neither smart, nor any good. You make me laugh though, you are that stupid. REMEMBER TO PROPERLY TERMINATE THEM CLONES!.
Appia Nappia 1397	Posted - 2014.10.18 15:39:00 - [23759] - Quote Speaking of impotent nerd rage, I posted this on Bungie thread: Quote: If only the game had more content that wasn't drive by grinding, like an actual story and player background, one that didn't cost the price of a second game to get The first reply I got was angry impotent nerd wrote: It's an MMO, if you don't want grinding go play COD Because, clearly, COD is all about the story mode [:roll] So very tired
THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE Xer Cloud Consortium 59	Posted - 2014.10.18 15:42:00 - [23760] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Speaking of impotent nerd rage, I posted this on Bungie thread: Quote: If only the game had more content that wasn't drive by grinding, like an actual story and player background, one that didn't cost the price of a second game to get The first reply I got was angry impotent nerd wrote: It's an MMO, if you don't want grinding go play COD Because, clearly, COD is all about the story mode The most in depth and immersive story ever. So creative and original. It was always one of the most skilful shooters ever. That's why my cousin who never played fps until cod was so great at it, very high skill ceiling. REMEMBER TO PROPERLY TERMINATE THEM CLONES!.



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