The cloak is either highly visible or impossible to see, depending on lighting conditions.

Still a great tool even in dark maps if you time your movements according to when enemies are looking.

That's complete bullshit. The cloak is easy to see in all lighting conditions.
If you think lighting condition effect visibility I suggest 2 things: Change you're settings to 720p and play on a monitor larger than 10"

The cloaked shotgun scout dilemma:

1. The shotgun is bad. Admit it. We all know that it is still outclassed by fine rifles except in the hands of a very elite few.
2. The cloak is bad. It shines, glows in the dark, and makes pretty colors that came out of my little sisters rainbow fairy princess drawing book, and if you can be scanned, you get a nice little red "shoot me" sign pointing to your head. In addition, were getting a fire delay in 1.9 (which is needed, i guess. It prevents people from sitting in a corner and uncloaking and instapopping every blueberry in a scrub suit that walks by. I just hope it isn't overdone. If it is anymore than what the proposed (.33s) value is, it'll be useless)
3. The scout is balanced, but if nerfed in any way, will be rendered absolutely useless except as a shared passives tool for HMG heavies or slayer assaults.

So whats my point?

The shotgun scout is balanced. People just need to realize that alpha weapons should be able to kill them, and that it isn't a scrub tactic.

The cloak is either highly visible or impossible to see, depending on lighting conditions.

Still a great tool even in dark maps if you time your movements according to when enemies are looking.

Now let me tell you a cool story. It explains everything perfectly. You don't need to feel bad.

oh yea.. DPLAK!

You are neither smart, nor any good.

You make me laugh though, you are that stupid.

Wow man. You must have really spent some serious time perfecting how to make yourself feel superior. we can all see you expanding the size of your own head.

Betting we are not looking at hot fixable eitherGǪ
Though since BPO's are back and legion not green yet (I know it takes time to make a move on a project like that) should i in a noncommittalGǪ speculative but not optimism building kinda way guess that maybe more full patches may be happening?
Savvy?

Cat GǪ
Did you really just say that the cloak is good when you time your moves to when people are not really looking at you?



Who put catnip in the Redjars?

It was originally the same post, only he deleted it and replaced it. Then copied it to the new post.

Good spotting.
Appia is always watching

Hopefully in a benevolent "Santa Claus" kind way.

A random thought appeared!, I cast write it down! It's super effective!

Song time:

She's making a list.
Stabbing it twice.
Gonna find out who's FotM (foe-tom) or nice.

Ap-pi-a is hunting you down...

She sees you when you're sniping.
She knows where you will hide.
She knows the math on scanning mods
and won't stop until you've died.

Oh, you better get out,
and if you can't fly,
Just suicide out I'm telling you why.

Ap-pi-a is hunting you down...

haha.. is that a thing now?

throbbing knives? I kind of dig it.

Oh it's a thing

t was a lighthearted poke for clarification
I know the cloak is situationally visible, a lot of factors play into seeing themGǪ I actually think this plays well to balance on them. I figured you meant something along those linesGǪ just the way you worded that came across as a bit funny. Ha ha funny not make fun of the kitty funny. Lighthearted man no offence intendedGǪ you've seen GD you know some people are crazy statement types.

*dances in flux effect to see if it will set of the violet highlights in his Quafe Minja*

Best I've managed on my quest so far is 8/8 still short of 11/11 but getting closer.
Also, two of those eight were prototype Sentinels and one was an attached Logi so I feel a special glow about those
Or maybe that's just the radiance of the Quafe suit going to my brain

Magnus.

We haven't been trying to get scouts buffed to OP. We wanted buffs pre 1.8 but when 1.8 was announced we became very concerned about becoming FotM which this barbershop community didn't want. We were vocal during pre hotfixes about not liking the OP EWAR of the Cal scout, and overall we're glad it got changed.

One of the suggestions that keeps coming up here is removing shared squad sight, but keeping it for active scanners.
The problem with being scanned by passive EWAR (as I see it) is that you got scanned by a scout sitting over to the side but all his heavy friends can see you too.

By removing shared passives, if a scout has to sacrifice mods to see you it reduces their combat capibility, sure they have the EWAR advantage but the assault has the HP advantage. None of us are happy with 900hp scouts running around.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone here running >550 hp on a proto suit, and there are some believe >350 hp is too much.

I for one dropped running a Shotgun (my bread and butter) in 1.8 when it became apparent it was the weapon of choice for FotM chasers and I refused to be part of that group.

Whatever you seem think this place is, it's not.
I don't know what conversations are going on outside of here because I just dont care, the Dust forums sit slightly above 4chan levels for impotent nerd rage for me, so I don't bother.
If people from here are coming out and trolling you, they are not representative of the whole.

Maybe some people here would disagree with what I said, we're not a unified whole, we argue with each other just as much as with anyone else. This is not a "circle jerk".

Oh it's a thing