I always figured being able to find and terminate threats would be more fitting to the Assault than hiding.

Think of it in more of a mobility sense. The assault has more stamina than the Logi. They can use that to move about the frontline. One aspect of frontline fighting should be flanking. That's not really viable because precision is powerful enoughh to give away your location at all times.

Lower Profile would give the Assault more opportunities to preform in their role.

Also, I would rather the person with precision not engage the enemy. I'd rather them sit back and get an assist or steal the kill instead of risking them dying. Otherwise someone else that couldn't be seen without Precision Enhancers might come up and get the jump on me.

o7 Varoth

If the stats show that Shotgun+Scout+Cloak are causing problems (which I believe to be the case) then we should certainly do something about it. I could get behind a shotgun overhaul. It is unacceptable that mercs can literally hop out of optimal range, and we've already given up the Alpha component, with Pro Assaults now requiring 3 blasts to kill. I personally kinda like your suggestion.

Another idea might be to prolong the Shotgun's "draw time" so it wouldn't be immediately at-the-ready upon decloak.

Now, I don't use shotguns in dust, but I'd just like to point this out: I haven't played a single game apart from Dust where a shotgun can't kill you in one hit up close.

Seriously. You guys should try using the shotgun in PC.

Because you speak like you've never done that before.

You talk as if you never had to go up against a team of full proto sitting inside Orbital Artillery at the point that has complete cover. Or the Domination point, or the point far in the center that lost the closest entrance to it when they downsized that particular Outpost.

As someone that actually has done this, I can tell you-because you've got no experience of your own to speak with and only listen to people complaining about something in pub matches on the forums- that the cloak makes no difference to whether you get the drop on someone.


Cloaked or not, if you're on the tacnet you're dead.
Cloaked or not, if you're spotted with anyone using 720p you're dead.
Cloaked or not, it still takes 3 or more shots to kill all non-scouts now.

Stop trying nerf something you don't
Stop talking about things you don't understand.

Apothecary Zak'i should be you're Iron Wolf Saber in this instance. If you're agreeing with him, that should really be a huge ******* red flag.

Don't turn the shotgun into another Sniper Rifle where it's balanced for pubs and useless in PC.

Perhaps Dust Shotguns should be fully automatic by default?

Perhaps Dust Shotguns should be fully automatic by default?

You may have played more PC than I have in total.

Then again, if you subtract all the matches where you sniped from rooftops or the redline, I'll bet I've got a healthy lead on you. And being that you've served strictly in non-competitive corps since your brief stay in TeamPlayers, I'm willing to bet I've seen tougher fights as well.

Thunderdome: Appia vs Shotty!
Time and place: TBD
Anyone up for a bet?

(btw if you haven't noticed by now; I do enjoy a bit of trolling )

Have you even played a hundred matches using the shotgun?

Only joke weapons like Breach Flaylock or quickscoping Sniper RIfles make for good matches in the Thunderdome.
Why would a scout with alpha damage weapons ever enter a fair fight.
. . . unless it's with knives, but it really loses it's effect when you aren't in the heat of battle and you both break off from your DPS/Apha primary and both pull out knives and battle in your own little world.

A) I would like to see lower tier shotguns doing less damage.

B) I think they really need to fix shotgun HD before they can adjust damage, RoF etc.

C) I don't really have a C, but I just wanted something more than just A and B.

Seriously? If you tallied my Shotgun kills, they'd exceed your total kills. I do wish you'd put that c*ck back in your pants. I don't want to embarrass you :-)

Why do you stay on if you find it dull and boring?

Oh, hey, congrats. You've played more pubs than me. I haven't cared about total number of kills per week since last November when I was competing with a few corpmates for higher spot on the total kill board.

Those annoying weeks when all the districts were locked? I was AFK farming because this game is dull and boring. It's mildly amusing running into the more well known protostompers
You on the other hand leave the match if it isn't a map you like or you find yourself on the wrong end of Nyain San, unless you've changed your tune with the new match making system, but because all you do is play pub matches you've probably got the basic numbers to still get stuck with them.


You're a little pubbie that goes and takes the easy route.

Now where were we?
Ahhh, yes. The Cloaky Shotgun Scout ...
Option C) Acceptance
Identify, acknowledge and study the problem. Have ideas in hand. Propose solutions which speak to the underlying issues

Wouldn't a mechanical overhaul of EWAR require clientside update?

Long-term, I agree with your thinking 100%.
We may need something else for the short-term.

Any hotfix-friendly ideas?