Active Cloak gives you -99% Scan Range, +999% Scan Precision?

Edit: Hmm that would only partially work because of shared passives... :/

I like it :-) Why the precision boost?

On second thought, I wonder if we could replace minimap directional arrows with non-directional blips via hotfix? Didn't he say something about changing those "new unit" chevron markers?

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Double nerf! Bad range and bad precision, just to make sure passives are useless while cloaked!

Right now, Shotty, you're the one that's the biggest proponent for supporting the idea that cloak+shotgun is too OP.

Crazy idea.

What if Ewar mods had drawbacks? So if you fit damps your precision goes down, if you fit precision your profile goes up, range reduces precision? That way a cal scout would be a beacon for even heavy frames. Gal scouts wouldn't have the option of seeing huge distances and staying hidden?

Stated like months ago, thats easily hotfixable. Except now its the Amarr scout and the Cal scout.

Cloak could tear down your profile, but it still won't fix the issue. Scouts will instead just "pulse" the cloak to find the red dots. Then go invis to engage. If its a constant negative bonus, then cloak will never be utilized....like ever.

@ Everyone

I truly believe Haerr is on to something; the more I think about his suggestion, the more I like it:

If Cloak is Active, set Scan Range = 0.

I think this would make gameplay much more interesting for us.
What do you guys think?

On an unrelated note, what would it take for an Assault to be invisible to scouts who have precision maxed, but no mods yet show up when they carry a precision enhancer, provided that they are maxing, or near maxing their dampening?

If I'm understanding you correctly ...

Two dampeners beats GA/AM Scout base scans.
One dampener beats CA/MN Scout base scans.

Med Damp Progression
45 dB - Max Passives
34 dB - 1 Cmp Damp
26 dB - 2 Cmp Damps
23 dB - 3 Cmp Damps
21 dB - 4 Cmp Damps

See Precision Tab for specific precision values.

So they already CAN and still bltch about scouts?

Logi - why you have so many slots?

Can you give us a scenario wherein you'd be screwed if you could activate cloak to evade a hostile but could not track his position/orientation on TacNet? I'm not looking to shoot holes in your argument; I just want to make sure we're on the same page.

Hacking. Any hacking. And clearing Uplinks

I would be more open to Haerr's suggestions if the more specific issues were fixed and cloaks were still shown to be a problem, but if they were in and of themselves, why aren't Rattati's numbers showing knives, ScP, CR, and ScR problems too? Is that something we could ask, and see if their numbers on a Scout are marginally different than those on other suits? Perhaps that would give us a better idea of whether the cloak issue is legitimate.

Don't forget that cloaks and precision are defensive items as well. I often use both to escape and completely avoid tenuous situations.

Yes, I use it for attacking too, but am not and have never been a true slayer.

I would much rather see a combination of penalties to armor plates, sprint bug fix, with a second delay between decloak and item usage.

On an unrelated note, what would it take for an Assault to be invisible to scouts who have precision maxed, but no mods yet show up when they carry a precision enhancer, provided that they are maxing, or near maxing their dampening?

If there were a sprint bug fix, and that delay to post decloak item usage what would you guys suggest regarding armor plate penalties and/or cloak scan debuff?

Would Active Cloak set Scan Range = -50% have the same sort of value or does that defeat the purpose?

/breaks out notepad

Excellent examples. You're 100% correct. Thank you :-)


I don't think there is a performance issue with cloak. The performance issue is specific to cloak+shotgun, and I'm willing to bet that issue can be further narrowed to high-HP Scouts.

Hey, I know I've asked this before, and you can be confident I will ask this again but can anyone field me a post of 'newbro' scout fittings which play stronger to the racial paradigms of each scout as they currently stand?
One per race and a little bit of background on why would be superb.

I'm looking at standard level fits but proto fits with a general 'downgrade' guide wouldn't be bad either. I just need a starting point and I trust you bastards to provide that better than I would on my own. o7

Cheers,
Cross

hey guys sorry i went mia

Armour and shields as percentage rather than a flat numberGǪ then everybody has a ceiling value that is in line with their base. Though some base HP would need to be looked atGǪ Heavies I'm looking at you

I like this idea the best.

I have also always like this idea, but I think I remember seeing Rattati very much against it, so I dropped it for ideas CCP would be more receptive of.