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Shotguns aren't OP, but they only perform well against Med Frames and Scouts. They can 1-2HK anything short of a heavy. Heavies REQUIRE 3-4 shots to kill. Most of the time, they can quickly turn and kill you before that final shot. Even worse if they have rep.

Sound could use some improvement. Most of us have ears tuned in for it though, but for newbro's it must be quite a surprise.

Not surprised about the SG kill data. It is used to STOMP pubs hard due to all the blueberries in MLT frames (Which can all be OHK). I doubt that it would carry over to PC. Right now, the deadliest things in PC are small missile turrets, Burst HMG's and Combat Rifles (With shotguns coming in a behind them.)

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As for fixing the cloak?

I honestly think that the best way to fix it is to simply make it impossible to use as a "Sneak Attack" weapon.

For example, give it a very long cloaking and de-cloak time. Like 2-3 seconds. Which you can't "Switch out of". You have to click the button to turn it off.

However, to balance it, you give it no shimmer. It makes you almost totally invisible.

This will turn the cloak into an Insertion and Removal tool. Used to sneak in and around, not to sneak right up on top of someone and unleash doom into their back.

You would cloak to get in, and then use flanking and dampening to maneuver around targets (combined with eWAR modules).

You get what I'm saying? I'm more than happy to reply with clarification.

@ Ghost. Almost every post I make has mistakes, things I've left out, or too much repetition that I need to clean up later.
It's one of those things that I really wish if you edited your post then any posts quoting it would be edited as well. . . Can't remember what forum I've used that works that way, but I know of at least 1 that does.

Thanks for checking back!

Shotguns aren't OP, but they only perform well against Med Frames and Scouts. They can 1-2HK anything short of a heavy. Heavies REQUIRE 3-4 shots to kill. Most of the time, they can quickly turn and kill you before that final shot. Even worse if they have rep.

Sound could use some improvement. Most of us have ears tuned in for it though, but for newbro's it must be quite a surprise.

Not surprised about the SG kill data. It is used to STOMP pubs hard due to all the blueberries in MLT frames (Which can all be OHK). I doubt that it would carry over to PC. Right now, the deadliest things in PC are small missile turrets, Burst HMG's and Combat Rifles (With shotguns coming in a behind them.)

---

As for fixing the cloak?

I honestly think that the best way to fix it is to simply make it impossible to use as a "Sneak Attack" weapon.

For example, give it a very long cloaking and de-cloak time. Like 2-3 seconds. Which you can't "Switch out of". You have to click the button to turn it off.

However, to balance it, you give it no shimmer. It makes you almost totally invisible.

This will turn the cloak into an Insertion and Removal tool. Used to sneak in and around, not to sneak right up on top of someone and unleash doom into their back.

You would cloak to get in, and then use flanking and dampening to maneuver around targets (combined with eWAR modules).

You get what I'm saying? I'm more than happy to reply with clarification.

It's a joke. Chill.

Like I seriously care that you messed up a quote.

The shotgun is my 2nd favorite weapon currently and I use it about 40% of the time.

As for fixing the cloak?

I honestly think that the best way to fix it is to simply make it impossible to use as a "Sneak Attack" weapon.

For example, give it a very long cloaking and de-cloak time. Like 2-3 seconds. Which you can't "Switch out of". You have to click the button to turn it off.

@ Ghost. Almost every post I make has mistakes, things I've left out, or too much repetition that I need to clean up later.
It's one of those things that I really wish if you edited your post then any posts quoting it would be edited as well. . . Can't remember what forum I've used that works that way, but I know of at least 1 that does.

Also: Interesting take on the cloak.

I was chatting with a friend, and he had an idea.

He was fine with my cloak idea, but he didn't like the idea of someone gaining the "Perfect escape tool" while still benefiting from passive scans.

Interesting idea. You are either visible and scanning, or invisible and blind. Can't have both.

Thoughts?

It's a joke. Chill.

Like I seriously care that you messed up a quote.

Being that I would be more worried of someone seeing me shimering away in my escape I would say no. less visibility is no way to fix when we can already achieve being invisible to tac-net, aim assist, and cheveron tracking with near invisibility when not moving from all but those smart enough to sweep weapon side to side looking for reticle to turn orange.

I am on the side the cloak works too good now. if you want full invisibility then make the trade of dampening. You should not have both. We nearly have both now.

Greetings

read a few pages back, last time I looked in it was at the 1000 page mark...

I see you are discussing a few things that I can clarify

Cloak is not going away, we will keep trying to patch it up with further testing. I would rather not remove content.

Shotguns, lack of progression is one thing, it seems militia SG's are almost as useful as proto. Second, it's the lack of awareness, I don't know about you guys but the 3rd person sound from a shotgun is a whispery "thip, thip", to me. It doesnt sound anything like the "BLAOING" 1st person sound. It's basically "was that a shotgun, yes, it was, respawn"

I know I get killed by SG scouts all the time, but it's usually carelessness rather than OP, I'm just running over open empty space from a spawn point to the next red dot and there is a lurker who is doing nothing but camping people like me between spawn and the action. I usually don't survive two in a medium.

This is of course all pub, I can't speak to PC viability.

And to my last point on the SG, the data I'm referring to is not just FOTM, look how many people are using it. I am studying Kill/Spawn ratios and it is well above the other light weapons, right up there with Scrambler Rifle. Dividing by spawn removes FOTM aspect, it's just I get more kills on average for SG than AR f.ex.

Anything else I can clarify? Any insights/requests on the Charlie meta and balance?

Delta threads are hitting the forums imminently as well.