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CCP Rattati wrote:

Greetings

read a few pages back, last time I looked in it was at the 1000 page mark...

I see you are discussing a few things that I can clarify

Cloak is not going away, we will keep trying to patch it up with further testing. I would rather not remove content.

Shotguns, lack of progression is one thing, it seems militia SG's are almost as useful as proto. Second, it's the lack of awareness, I don't know about you guys but the 3rd person sound from a shotgun is a whispery "thip, thip", to me. It doesnt sound anything like the "BLAOING" 1st person sound. It's basically "was that a shotgun, yes, it was, respawn"

I know I get killed by SG scouts all the time, but it's usually carelessness rather than OP, I'm just running over open empty space from a spawn point to the next red dot and there is a lurker who is doing nothing but camping people like me between spawn and the action. I usually don't survive two in a medium.

This is of course all pub, I can't speak to PC viability.

And to my last point on the SG, the data I'm referring to is not just FOTM, look how many people are using it. I am studying Kill/Spawn ratios and it is well above the other light weapons, right up there with Scrambler Rifle. Dividing by spawn removes FOTM aspect, it's just I get more kills on average for SG than AR f.ex.

Anything else I can clarify? Any insights/requests on the Charlie meta and balance?

Delta threads are hitting the forums imminently as well.

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Llast 326 An Arkhos 4289	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:44:00 - [21001] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cass Caul wrote: I really don't like it when blue dots shoot me. Even less so in FW where friendly fire is on. Kid in the squad kept shooting me, I asked him to stop. He just decided that because I asked that he should do it more. So I brought out the Shotgun + Needle combo I guarantee you it won't happen again! This sounds like it was you Ghost KRRROOOOOOM
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6767	Posted - 2014.08.28 16:00:00 - [21002] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cass Caul wrote: I really don't like it when blue dots shoot me. Even less so in FW where friendly fire is on. Kid in the squad kept shooting me, I asked him to stop. He just decided that because I asked that he should do it more. So I brought out the Shotgun + Needle combo I guarantee you it won't happen again! This sounds like it was you Ghost Nah, I tend to pick fights I can win FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
mollerz 5172	Posted - 2014.08.28 16:32:00 - [21003] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: I really don't like it when blue dots shoot me. Even less so in FW where friendly fire is on. Kid in the squad kept shooting me, I asked him to stop. He just decided that because I asked that he should do it more. So I brought out the Shotgun + Needle combo Proper needlefucked. Dingle Dust Berry.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1671	Posted - 2014.08.28 16:56:00 - [21004] - Quote LeGoose wrote: Also Daxxis Kannah gave me a pile of isk today. I know Iggy said he was planning on sending a care package, but haven't even seen Daxxis online in a long time. Are they the same person and I totally missed it or did he just give me a pile of isk out of the blue? No I've been a scrub and haven't logged yet since I plan on using a booster this weekend for the event. Expect it then My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 936	Posted - 2014.08.28 17:14:00 - [21005] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: I only ever cap one toon per SP event, have a life/job etc. Since I've now hit 30 mil SP on my main, I'm tempted to use my vehicle alt, last time I checked (pre FF) she had 14 mil SP. I rolled Proto Rail and Blaster HAV (both maddy and gunni) for PC and also had ADS though not protod out. Missiles I only have at ADV. Might do some party vehicles if anyone wants a ride. I make no promises regarding your safety as I am out of practise. Like, 6 months out of practise. If you see someone named Droit du Signeur in NN that's me. I would love to dump so SP into my main to take you guys out for a spin. Maybe I just get on my pilot alt more often. Like Bayeth, you will be putting your life into your hands, but we can have fun can't we? I figure running skirmish maps and taking a squad round and round all the points. Chances are you'll be bailing out before we get there as I have a habit of dying to turret fire a lot. I would advise non-proto suits only. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 936	Posted - 2014.08.28 17:15:00 - [21006] - Quote mollerz wrote: All this talk about vehicles got me thinking I'd like to join in.. so I had created an alt for my little brother a year ago or so jus tin case dust got to be bad ass he'd have a toon to grab. But sadly, since that isn't happening I may as well tap into it. 12.2 mil unused SP! Any tips on wha tI could do with that with vehicles? I never even looked at the vehicles skill tree. I started getting the hang of flying a derpship... but how is ADS to ADS combat? lame or good? They are quite costly I saw. It's pretty hard to get anything on target. Even the vids I've seen show good pilots taking forever to take out another pilot. Cass Caul wrote: Line Harvest is probably the best map to practice dropship piloting. You can use the pipes and table top to refine your skills by trying to fly under them. you can get really technical and try flying underneath the trapezoid buildings And there are always forge gunners to practice dodging those as well. Ghost Kaisar wrote: Still can't land well though. My typical landing consists of slamming into a wall with hardeners on and jumping out. Speed > Style when trying to deploy in PC In PC, that's the second best way to do it. The best way is for the dedicated ADS pilot to drop you off without slowing down. aka the hot-drop Again, check vids of ppl doing this, looks hard to get timing right but damn good fun. PLAK PLAK You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3344	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:48:00 - [21007] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Too much kindness and sharing. Be mean to each other, damnit :-) Right. Throws an empty glass at Ghost "Another round Monk, before I get cranky and shoot Bay again" I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2464	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:15:00 - [21008] - Quote Spademan wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Too much kindness and sharing. Be mean to each other, damnit :-) Right. Throws an empty glass at Ghost "Another round Monk, before I get cranky and shoot Bay again" comes out of the restroom, zipping up Trust me, the next round is for newbro's only... you don't want that kind of kick. Let me grab some of last week's brew with the blackmarket redjar from downstairs.... Double posting like a Kaiser. Embracing the death, at Llast.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3358	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:20:00 - [21009] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Spademan wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Too much kindness and sharing. Be mean to each other, damnit :-) Right. Throws an empty glass at Ghost "Another round Monk, before I get cranky and shoot Bay again" comes out of the restroom, zipping up Trust me, the next round is for newbro's only... you don't want that kind of kick. Let me grab some of last week's brew with the blackmarket redjar from downstairs.... "Fine by me. Ah what the hell, I'll shoot anyway" Whips out a bolt pistol and takes a couple potshots at Bay "Dance monkey!" I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 6310	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:22:00 - [21010] - Quote should have a ps3 tomorrow, whether that means I'll be coming back to dust however is another question. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4571	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:27:00 - [21011] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: should have a ps3 tomorrow, whether that means I'll be coming back to dust however is another question. You must! Better Minja. Better knives! Lots and lots of red-blobs for your MD :-) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3603	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:53:00 - [21012] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: should have a ps3 tomorrow, whether that means I'll be coming back to dust however is another question. You must! Better Minja. Better knives! Lots and lots of red-blobs for your MD :-) AND YOU CAN KNIFE TANKS!!! You can always tell a Millford Minja
Cass Caul 975	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:59:00 - [21013] - Quote DUST kinda feels like it did back in October when I first skilled into the Gal-Logi. "OMG, There are like 5 guys over there in proto suits." "It's cool, I got this." kill kill kill kill blue dot dies kill "I can't believe Rattati said the shotgun was OP" - "I know, it's stupid. Like, I was just telling people yesterday that I can get shot-" . . . kill "-Ok, it just happened again. A Scout shot me in the back while I was hacking, I turned around and gunned him down before he could get a third shot or swap to his [sidearm]." I feel so dirty. To make up for it I got an 8-kill streak of nova knives. As in, it was only "me ("Fleshriver" Nova Knives) red dot" in the feed 8 times in a row. I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
Cass Caul 975	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:05:00 - [21014] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: should have a ps3 tomorrow, whether that means I'll be coming back to dust however is another question. You must! Better Minja. Better knives! Lots and lots of red-blobs for your MD :-) AND YOU CAN KNIFE TANKS!!! Check Signature, Sinboto I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
mollerz 5182	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:29:00 - [21015] - Quote On some late night session I was playing with Ozarow I could have sworn he suggested making a variant of flaylocks that fire flux nades. I thought that was a great idea, but don't remember anyone mentioning it before. And why stop there! Have an AV warhead variant as well. Or does that equate to a client DL? Maybe convert the breach to do flux damage perhaps?.. If that works within their boundaries. Thoughts? Dingle Dust Berry.
mollerz 5182	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:30:00 - [21016] - Quote Shotty was on a knife tear today in ambush. I was just sitting back in my BPO C-1 assault and adv rail rifle firing away while I could see him and or his chevron flying around with his efforts dominating the kill feed. Not even in a minja suit either. Dingle Dust Berry.
mollerz 5186	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:40:00 - [21017] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: should have a ps3 tomorrow, whether that means I'll be coming back to dust however is another question. I'm glad your back. I was just playing around with the mass driver. I just unlocked adv.. and with only lv 3 using the EXO has been a bummer. Any tips? I could see this thing being hilarious. Dingle Dust Berry.
mollerz 5186	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:41:00 - [21018] - Quote Did.. I just QPLAK? Dingle Dust Berry.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3606	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:43:00 - [21019] - Quote Yes you did. You can always tell a Millford Minja
mollerz 5187	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:51:00 - [21020] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Yes you did. Fuk yea. Like a boss \o/~ Coiled and Ready to Strike

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3608	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:55:00 - [21021] - Quote mollerz wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Yes you did. Fuk yea. Like a boss \o/~ I saw Haerr do it recently and was like I didn't know he could double post much less quadruple post. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1311	Posted - 2014.08.29 01:09:00 - [21022] - Quote Spademan wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: Spademan wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Too much kindness and sharing. Be mean to each other, damnit :-) Right. Throws an empty glass at Ghost "Another round Monk, before I get cranky and shoot Bay again" comes out of the restroom, zipping up Trust me, the next round is for newbro's only... you don't want that kind of kick. Let me grab some of last week's brew with the blackmarket redjar from downstairs.... "Fine by me. Ah what the hell, I'll shoot anyway" Whips out a bolt pistol and takes a couple potshots at Bay "Dance monkey!" Stares back blankly, a core locus beeping in each hand One for you one for me.... Friend. We'll bang, OK?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 6313	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:08:00 - [21023] - Quote mollerz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: should have a ps3 tomorrow, whether that means I'll be coming back to dust however is another question. I'm glad your back. I was just playing around with the mass driver. I just unlocked adv.. and with only lv 3 using the EXO has been a bummer. Any tips? I could see this thing being hilarious. Pick your targets, heavies are evil but they don't resist direct shots, never stop moving and know when to use a direct shot or splash. You are a scout hunter, use that radius to flush out the sneaky basterds, stealth scouts or shield scouts have low ehp and brick tankers rely heavily on armor use your weapon to your advantage, and remember there is a slight delay in between when you take the shot and when it fires take it into account. Nanohives are your best friends, someone in your squad needs them at all times. On that note: the reload speed, sidearm is a good idea if you get caught with your pants off. Other than that is the whole splash radius bug, if you don't know splash radius and hit detection are affected when you shoot from ground level, which is why you'll see alot of flaylock/MD users up high or bunny hopping often. (besides ya know it being a tactic in the first place) practice for everything else Mr.scout. Also if you want some really challenging hilarious fun, grab a breach mass driver and a cloak, go around one shotting people. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 6313	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:11:00 - [21024] - Quote Speaking of fun, we need to do a 16 man Minja melee FW when I get back, I know a few of you know what I'm talking about. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6810	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:15:00 - [21025] - Quote Learning to fly Missile ADS for FA. 1.) Holy crap pythons are expensive 2.) These things are fragile as hell at low skill levels. 3 swarms and I'm gone. Rails have me clinging to life and forges have me sitting at the skybox. 3.) Everyone hates dropships. I've had people in LAV's chasing me around with swarms for several rounds. Where are these guys when ACTUAL pilots are flying!?! 4.) Kills so far: Around 15 over 10 matches. I have also already managed to barrel roll across the ground and roadkill someone already. 5.) F*CK REDLINE RAILS I got around 90 more of these to crash. Gonna be a fun week. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 6313	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:26:00 - [21026] - Quote I know I'm posting alot today but small blaster discussion dev lookin for feedback. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6080	Posted - 2014.08.29 03:12:00 - [21027] - Quote Greetings read a few pages back, last time I looked in it was at the 1000 page mark... I see you are discussing a few things that I can clarify Cloak is not going away, we will keep trying to patch it up with further testing. I would rather not remove content. Shotguns, lack of progression is one thing, it seems militia SG's are almost as useful as proto. Second, it's the lack of awareness, I don't know about you guys but the 3rd person sound from a shotgun is a whispery "thip, thip", to me. It doesnt sound anything like the "BLAOING" 1st person sound. It's basically "was that a shotgun, yes, it was, respawn" I know I get killed by SG scouts all the time, but it's usually carelessness rather than OP, I'm just running over open empty space from a spawn point to the next red dot and there is a lurker who is doing nothing but camping people like me between spawn and the action. I usually don't survive two in a medium. This is of course all pub, I can't speak to PC viability. And to my last point on the SG, the data I'm referring to is not just FOTM, look how many people are using it. I am studying Kill/Spawn ratios and it is well above the other light weapons, right up there with Scrambler Rifle. Dividing by spawn removes FOTM aspect, it's just I get more kills on average for SG than AR f.ex. Anything else I can clarify? Any insights/requests on the Charlie meta and balance? Delta threads are hitting the forums imminently as well. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6818	Posted - 2014.08.29 03:19:00 - [21028] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Greetings read a few pages back, last time I looked in it was at the 1000 page mark... I see you are discussing a few things that I can clarify Cloak is not going away, we will keep trying to patch it up with further testing. I would rather not remove content. Shotguns, lack of progression is one thing, it seems militia SG's are almost as useful as proto. Second, it's the lack of awareness, I don't know about you guys but the 3rd person sound from a shotgun is a whispery "thip, thip", to me. It doesnt sound anything like the "BLAOING" 1st person sound. It's basically "was that a shotgun, yes, it was, respawn" I know I get killed by SG scouts all the time, but it's usually carelessness rather than OP, I'm just running over open empty space from a spawn point to the next red dot and there is a lurker who is doing nothing but camping people like me between spawn and the action. I usually don't survive two in a medium. This is of course all pub, I can't speak to PC viability. And to my last point on the SG, the data I'm referring to is not just FOTM, look how many people are using it. I am studying Kill/Spawn ratios and it is well above the other light weapons, right up there with Scrambler Rifle. Dividing by spawn removes FOTM aspect, it's just I get more kills on average for SG than AR f.ex. Anything else I can clarify? Any insights/requests on the Charlie meta and balance? Delta threads are hitting the forums imminently as well. Thanks for checking back! Shotguns aren't OP, but they only perform well against Med Frames and Scouts. They can 1-2HK anything short of a heavy. Heavies REQUIRE 3-4 shots to kill. Most of the time, they can quickly turn and kill you before that final shot. Even worse if they have rep. Sound could use some improvement. Most of us have ears tuned in for it though, but for newbro's it must be quite a surprise. Not surprised about the SG kill data. It is used to STOMP pubs hard due to all the blueberries in MLT frames (Which can all be OHK). I doubt that it would carry over to PC. Right now, the deadliest things in PC are small missile turrets, Burst HMG's and Combat Rifles (With shotguns coming in a behind them.) As for fixing the cloak? I honestly think that the best way to fix it is to simply make it impossible to use as a "Sneak Attack" weapon. For example, give it a very long cloaking and de-cloak time. Like 2-3 seconds. Which you can't "Switch out of". You have to click the button to turn it off. However, to balance it, you give it no shimmer. It makes you almost totally invisible. This will turn the cloak into an Insertion and Removal tool. Used to sneak in and around, not to sneak right up on top of someone and unleash doom into their back. You would cloak to get in, and then use flanking and dampening to maneuver around targets (combined with eWAR modules). You get what I'm saying? I'm more than happy to reply with clarification. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4017	Posted - 2014.08.29 03:24:00 - [21029] - Quote I usually don't try to shotgun heavies. I RE them and move on. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6819	Posted - 2014.08.29 03:33:00 - [21030] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: [quote=Zatara Rought]I usually don't try to shotgun. FTFY I am disappoint Those quoting skills EDIT: She fixed it FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!



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