I don't know that I agree with this. It certainly isn't a buff to everyone; it would only benefit those who use KinCats. Rattati himself classified the modules as lesser used. I see where you guys are coming from, and I agree that MinScouts need a MinScout-specific buff. But while we wait for that, why the heck would we tell Rattati "no" to something that'd ease the pressure?

It wasn't that long ago that Scouts were rare, beaten down and f*cking desperate for hugs. If you were there with us, think back and ask yourself ... if Wolfman had offered something to help, would you have responded with terms and conditions or pleases and thank yous?

Gallente!! oh wait, they already have 96 PG to spare...

and still i have to leave my 2nd equipment slot empty because i dont have the CPU that minmatar has. but if someone other than a min has to sacrifice to fit its ok right?

What are you running?

Or just do what I did and max core, engineering and electronics before getting even a single proto suit, weapon or mod.
Seriously, some builds I'm running all proto stuff but still have PG/CPU to burn.

My all proto Gal sentinel (including proto side arm) has enough left over to add another proto weapon (or at least advanced iirc) if I had the slot for it.

We need that for a role, the super heavy. 2m/s sprint, dual heavy weapons. :p

'Templar' Sentinel A-I
'Toxin' Assault Rifle
'Templar' Scrambler Pistol

450 Shield, 750 armor, 3% resist to Rails against Shields, 3% Resist Projectile against armor

only lvl 1 in Amarr Sentinel Operation on Appia, who has the Templar set
This is so much better than an STD and ADV Min Scout.

Reason why you are running out of CPU

Duvolle AR and Ishukone Assault SMG?

That's like 160 base CPU right there

On TOP of a Proto Cloak

AND 5 modules that are high(ish) in CPU

The main problem are those weapons. Try running something that isn't so CPU heavy, or GOD FORBID YOU RUN A CPU MOD WITH THOSE 4 LOW SLOTS

Try this fit if you want to hunt scouts

All I changed was this:

Gal scout doesn't need 2 damps and proto cloak. ADV will work just fine.

If you want to hunt scouts in a non-cal suit, you gotta go at least 2 precision. Dumped shields for precision

AR and Ishukone Assault? Yeah right. Unless you are going to main the SMG, M209 will do everything you need for less fitting space.

OH LOOK. I now have room for ADV Flux and some RE's.

I also took your reactive and turned it into a Complex Basic Plate. With less shields, you need some tank. Speed isn't important to this build, as your main goal is just to search and destroy. Nobody can see you on radar, so you shouldn't really need speed too much. Just float on an objective and light people up with AR

I don't know that I agree with this. It certainly isn't a buff to everyone; it would only benefit those who use KinCats. Rattati himself classified the modules as lesser used. I see where you guys are coming from, and I agree that MinScouts need a MinScout-specific buff. But while we wait for that, why the heck would we tell Rattati "no" to something that'd ease the pressure?

It wasn't that long ago that Scouts were rare, beaten down and f*cking desperate for hugs. If you were there with us, think back and ask yourself ... if Wolfman had offered something to help, would we have responded with terms and conditions or pleases and thank yous?

@ Iggy
Thanks for the clarification. I suspect our difference of opinion is based in differing expectations of Rattati. You very well may be right in that we get only one shot to fix the Minja; if history is any indicator, then you're likely correct. By contrast, I suspect that Rattati's approach is iterative. Seems to me he's tackling the big problems first, distributing bandaids where needed and will follow up with finetuning later. Its impossible to know which perspective is right. Time will tell. o7

@Void

At work and on mobile. Will reply in Ernest in time

In the meantime, read the edit. It should make things a bit more clear as to why the min scout needs either a pg bonus or a module rework.

I can't downgrade any of the modules on my suit without compromising its abilities in PC.

My suit runs the lowest PG light weapons and knives without optimization. Speed or kincats cost way too much PG when included on top of a Proto cloak. I have no low slots for HP other than shields, so highs are filled with whatever health I can slap on.

The fit you had? Pro cloak is superfluous as well as the Ishuknone SMG. They can easily be downgraded. And I never even touch your main weapon.

Knives can't be anything under PRO, and I have to run Proto cloak. SMG is actually MORE PG than a CR.

Believe me, I've spent months optimizing my Min Scout, and I still have trouble making it do what it needs to do.

Maybe min should ask to replace the NK bonus with ______________.

An angry Musturd you shall make.

@Adipem, Ghost
Thanks for the tips and opinions on my proto gal
I know and agree with what both of you advise to make better, cheaper and less CPU intensive
I fit to be a one man team the best I can using all my CPU/PG possible and using the 2nd equipment slot REALLY REALLY gets me killed a lot and is the only reason I don't use it. I hate the radial menus so bad.
If I could just replace the grenade button with my cloak I would be good as I don't use them in a rush like I do the cloak.
That and I don't ever use the proto suit becasue I don't run PC it is just a maxed out version of my dragonfly

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/983/4901

You're welcome.

If you're not gonna do PC, then drop the 2x damps.

You can easily run 1 damp and cloak in pub an get along just fine

I'll let you all in on a little secret I have been hoarding....because I love you.

When running against cal scouts look at their shields. It will tell you exactly how many PEs they are running and that in turn allows you to damp to that dB level. The changes to shield extenders and skills shouldn't make too big of an impact as long as you take into account the +/- 25hp.

A quick check depends on if they are running proto or adv.
Assumption is running prototype

Shield value +/- 25hps
<200 - 4PE
~250 - 3 PE
~300 - 2 PE
~380 - 1 PE
>400 - 0 PE

For adv you can use the same numbers but reduce the number of PEs by one. For Gals thats a 1:1 ratio up to 3 damps. All other scouts will need a damp even if the CAL isn't running a PE and a +1 damp for each PE the CAL is running. The plus side is that you never have to fit over 3 damps to avoid a cal scout. But nongals have to utilize cloak if CAL is running 3PE.

To avoid; PE : Damp (MAX 3)
GAL: N : N
Non-Gal: N : N+1 (+ cloak at 3)

Now go annoy those cal scouts.

I thought this was common knowledge

I thought this was common knowledge