I wasn't talking about Gino. I'm talking about now.

In which case the Gal only needs to fit a single damp, not dual, leaving them with three slots on low to play with.

Which is why I said the Gal would retain an advantage over the Amarr. Or they could fit a kin cat and a code breaker and a range amp if they wanted more utility than the Min.

Because client side update

Wrote it out anyway. feel free to ignore

1) Ion Pistol, Shotgun, and Nova Knives are the only weapons we have that don't have an effective range within 30 meters, so Range amps benefit the Bolt Pistol, Magsec, Flaylock, Scrambler Pistol, SMG, Rail Rifle, Sniper Rifle, Swarm Launcher, Laser Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Combat Rifle, Mass Driver, and sleek Locus/AV grenades

2) Caldari Bolt Pistol, Magsec- which has a better range than the AR-, rail rifle and sniper rifle all have more range than the Scrambler and Laser Rifle, using the exact same reasoning why shouldn't Caldari be the ones to get the range amp bonus? It's faulty logic

3) When I look at infiltration I think of 3 things: Range, Precision, and Speed. The Minmatar Scout has the speed down, it is both the fastest suit and the fastest hacker. With my Minmatar Scout I can run into a point and jump a high priority target with knives, and with enough shields and the lack of stun lock I can then run the hell away and come in for another go or take some time and get rid of red uplinks and place blue ones then either wait for a red to come and take out my link or use it as a distraction to get a hack off.

With Caldari Precision I can move in slowly and carefully making sure no one is chasing me. The high precision protects my back from any scouts on defense that may chase after me. Or even give me a heads up if they are in my path or near me, letting me switch targets.

The third is Range. I can't tell you how much I miss running 1 damp, 1 range amp, 2 plates. But range is the Shotgun's best friend. The CQC shotgun scouts' main targets are the Slayerlogi and the Sentinel. It's why I made a post about my need for 600EHP. You know that first shot isn't going to kill. They can easily jump away to get outside optimal range making it take 2-3 more shots to kill. Range is important because it helps you pick out the route you're going to take to get to people.
When you see people moving in on your location with a little too much accuracy you know a Cal-Scout is there if you don't have the dampening effect. (sorry tangent. I loved active dampening because I could lure out people like this than cloak up again)
Ok. i'm sick. I think this made sense. I don't know. my head hurts and I should probably go back to sleep again. Range works best with CQC weapons, it works best when your passive scan range exceeds your weapon's effective range (effective which is greater than optimal)

This game is a shooter, I look at all of these abilities for how they can enhance my ability to shoot people

I wasn't talking about Gino. I'm talking about now.

In which case the Gal only needs to fit a single damp, not dual, leaving them with three slots on low to play with.

Which is why I said the Gal would retain an advantage over the Amarr. Or they could fit a kin cat and a code breaker and a range amp if they wanted more utility than the Min.

and not DPLAK

Some interesting games coming out of E3

Mirror's Edge 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYtlSqIPO7k

@bastards
Why do you all have it in your mind all scouts should be immune to scans? If they have that option the cal and gal has no utility. If they can always "win". That will be the default. As long as uou include a mechanic that allows "waves of opportunity" it's more balanced. Aka cloak on, can't see. Cloak off you can. But both fits should make the same sacrifice in slots.

They shouldn't unless they have at least 2 dampeners

There are more suits than just scouts

archiving ghost's suggestion for later when DUST will get client side updates again

Theoretically they could remove the invisibility (set to zero) on said Variant.

The Next Step (Consensus)
* Scout Roles / Racial Bonuses - Who gets what?

OK ... pick this apart, you devious Bastards. Pull no punches :-)



Role Bonus
+15% reduction to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level

Gallente "Ranger"
* Remove base profile reduction and scan range bonus
+5% bonus to Range Extenders per level

Caldari "Warden"
* Remove base precision and scan range bonus
+5% bonus to Precision Enhancers per level

Amarr "Bruiser"
+10% bonus to Ferroscale and Reactive Plates per level
+10% bonus to Cardiac Regulators per level

Minmatar "Ninja"
+10% bonus to Code Breakers per level
+5% bonus to nova knife damage per level
* Move Code Breakers to High Slots

Change the wording to "Efficacy per level" and you have my support. I don't need range amps doing 70% increases and precision enhancers doing 45%. I also don't know about Haerr's gino numbers but 4% to efficacy per level on precision enhancers were the number I got to 2 damps and a proto cloak could get you under

I like how you're thinking, but I don't know if this part is possible.

Don't think that there's a server-side value dedicated to shimmer intensity; shimmer presents as off/on then high/low; shimmer does present along lines of gradation.

Could be wrong though ...

OK ... pick this apart, you devious Bastards. Pull no punches :-)



Role Bonus
+15% reduction to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level

Gallente "Ranger"
* Remove base profile reduction and scan range bonus
+5% bonus to Range Extender efficacy per level

Caldari "Warden"
* Remove base precision and scan range bonus
+5% bonus to Precision Enhancer efficacy per level

Amarr "Bruiser"
+10% bonus to Ferroscale and Reactive Plates efficacy per level
+10% bonus to Cardiac Regulator efficacy per level

Minmatar "Ninja"
* Move Code Breakers to High Slots
+10% bonus to Code Breaker efficacy per level
+5% bonus to Nova Knife damage per level

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I know, I know ... the Gal and Cal only have one racial bonus and everyone else has two.

Question 1)
Is everyone OK with the above structure? If not, please elaborate.

Question 2)
Do the Gal and Cal need a second racial bonus? If so, what should be?

I'd take 1 strong bonus over 2 weak ones.
Though maybe make the range a little stronger on the Gal, things don't have to be rounded to multiples of 5.
6% per level?
If popping a single complex range amp on my Gal gave me slightly more than I had, that seems fair, though... don't want to have 4 complex range amps scanning 2/3rds of the map. Though that would be pretty lolzy.
2 damps, 1 amp with one left over for flavouring...

Proposition Gino GOOGLE DOCS

Gallente Scout - Bonus to GÇÿScan ProfileGÇÖ 15% -> 0%
Caldari Scout - Bonus to GÇÿScan PrecisionGÇÖ 25% -> 0%
Caldari Scout - Bonus to GÇÿPrecision EnhancerGÇÖ efficacy 0% -> 25%
Focused Active Scanner - GÇÿScan PrecisionGÇÖ 20 dB -> 22 dB
Advanced Cloak Field - Bonus to GÇÿScan ProfileGÇÖ 5% -> 7.5%
Prototype Cloak Field - Bonus to GÇÿScan ProfileGÇÖ 10% -> 15%

What is Gino? Gino is a swedish dessert! RECIPE

For bonus points put sliced almonds on top of the white chocolate! (Or serve with pre roasted sliced almonds on the side.)

Also, we have to keep in mind that some clown will stack 4 range extenders.
At 5% that comes out to just shy of 107m.

The dessert is awesome but the numbers are screwed up. Essentially what I was going for was:
All scouts:
3cPDs or 2cPDs+pCF - beats - 3+cPEs // focused scanner
2cPDs or 1cPD+pCF - beats - 2cPEs
1cPD or pCF - beats - 1cPE
0PD - beats - 0PE

1. I think I am okay with the above structure, though Min still need a PG boost especially if they have to fit a Codebreaker for the bonus to apply.

2. Okay with single bonus to Cal and GalGǪ the synergy of Range and Precision on the Cal is to high compared to other suits.
Little less sure of the single bonus on Gal, Damp is a powerful bonus, Range is alsoGǪ but not equal to Damp. Still I think it is powerful enough to warrant single bonus.

Damn you!? I liked the table :-)
Was the table right?

OK ... pick this apart, you devious Bastards. Pull no punches :-)



Role Bonus
+15% reduction to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level

Gallente "Ranger"
* Remove base profile reduction and scan range bonus
+5% bonus to Range Extender efficacy per level

Caldari "Warden"
* Remove base precision and scan range bonus
+5% bonus to Precision Enhancer efficacy per level

Amarr "Bruiser"
+10% bonus to Ferroscale and Reactive Plates efficacy per level
+10% bonus to Cardiac Regulator efficacy per level

Minmatar "Ninja"
* Move Code Breakers to High Slots
+10% bonus to Code Breaker efficacy per level
+5% bonus to Nova Knife damage per level

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I know, I know ... the Gal and Cal only have one racial bonus and everyone else has two.

Question 1)
Is everyone OK with the above structure? If not, please elaborate.

Question 2)
Do the Gal and Cal need a second racial bonus? If so, what should be?

The table is fine but the bonus to the caldari only ever matter when it puts on 3cPEs, it would be less awkward to remove the precision bonuses to the CalScout and the GalLogi and replace them with something else.