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Master Smurf wrote:

IgniteableAura wrote:

Master Smurf wrote:

Radius was to be decreased to force Cal Scout users to have to put themself in harms way more than just be a scanning beacon in the midst of a squad.

At least that is what some advocated for.

Devs didnt bring it to the table but accepted the suggestion

So is the precision nerfed on the callie? I am so confused lol. Pretty lame if radius was nerfed with no real disucssion but taken up just because a couple people suggested it.....much like sidearm only scouts. Just cause its suggested doesn't mean its smart.

Llast, felt like 100% to me Blink

Precision wasnt set to be nerfed. If it is then its a bug.

Many of the changes were made on suggestions by the vocal minority - that is how this stuff works.
- There was discussion and I think the main thinking was Caldari should have to move more to maintain that great passive scan and if they want more they have to give up dampening / armor.

It was also said Gal should be range with less precision and cal should be precision with less range.

It was also discussed that both Cal and Gal should lose range entirely but settled on 3% and 1% per level.

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Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1276	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:50:00 - [14881] - Quote mollerz wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: mollerz wrote: yea but proto knives are just "knives". using Zns is a n00b mistake. Zn's are enough for anything that isn't a heavy frame. That being said, I hate not being able to stab heavies, so I almost never use anything below the ishnoks Heavies are knifer food. And it's not only that, Zns just mean it takes longer to kill things. Multiple targets? Those Zns are now a liability. Zns are good for rookie n00bs who can only kill stationary unaware prey. You aren't cool because it took you two extra hits to kill somebody. And it only costs 12k for IshNoks. Thank you Mollerz. You've just convinced me to downgrade my guns and upgrade my knives. If only there was a NK optimisation skill Knowledge is power
mollerz 3611	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:49:00 - [14882] - Quote Having minja lv 5, knives lv 5 and knife prof lv 5... Dying to a heavy woth 100 armor just cause you used ZNs should be a lesson only learned once it will happen if you use ZNs no matter your skill. Heck, basic knives are just good for cutting seat belts when your LAV flips over. Your Welcome
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1777	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:56:00 - [14883] - Quote mollerz wrote: Having minja lv 5, knives lv 5 and knife prof lv 5... Dying to a heavy woth 100 armor just cause you used ZNs should be a lesson only learned once it will happen if you use ZNs no matter your skill. Heck, basic knives are just good for cutting seat belts when your LAV flips over. Don't get me wrong, I like how easy it is to use my proto knives, but I think that it would be extra aggravating for a heavy to die from ZNs. I am all about getting in peoples' heads. Plus I liked the extra challenge of needing another swipe. The REAL Internet King
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1279	Posted - 2014.06.04 02:05:00 - [14884] - Quote I'm only at proficiency 2, so got a ways to go on them yet, but I've had a couple of instances in the last week where I've either left a heavy standing with less than 10 armour, or have only got through two of the reds hacking a point. 50 * 1.25 * 1.06 * 2... that's definitely enough to make a difference. Knowledge is power
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2751	Posted - 2014.06.04 02:07:00 - [14885] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: mollerz wrote: Having minja lv 5, knives lv 5 and knife prof lv 5... Dying to a heavy woth 100 armor just cause you used ZNs should be a lesson only learned once it will happen if you use ZNs no matter your skill. Heck, basic knives are just good for cutting seat belts when your LAV flips over. Don't get me wrong, I like how easy it is to use my proto knives, but I think that it would be extra aggravating for a heavy to die from ZNs. I am all about getting in peoples' heads. Plus I liked the extra challenge of needing another swipe. I love those attacks with the IshNoKs that kill 2 people in one attack, and that really doesn't happen with the others, but yeah. killing people with ZN's gets to them more. Better chance of them raging Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
mollerz 3611	Posted - 2014.06.04 02:24:00 - [14886] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: mollerz wrote: Having minja lv 5, knives lv 5 and knife prof lv 5... Dying to a heavy woth 100 armor just cause you used ZNs should be a lesson only learned once it will happen if you use ZNs no matter your skill. Heck, basic knives are just good for cutting seat belts when your LAV flips over. Don't get me wrong, I like how easy it is to use my proto knives, but I think that it would be extra aggravating for a heavy to die from ZNs. I am all about getting in peoples' heads. Plus I liked the extra challenge of needing another swipe. Like I said it doesn't make you cool you know what really gets to people? Insta lapping them. Repeatedly. You know what makes them think you are a fool? Dying to them with 100 or less armor . It makes all knifer look bad. Your Welcome
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15316	Posted - 2014.06.04 09:29:00 - [14887] - Quote Rejoice and behold! https://twitter.com/IronWolfSaber/status/474116105825697792 CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1815	Posted - 2014.06.04 10:36:00 - [14888] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rejoice and behold! https://twitter.com/IronWolfSaber/status/474116105825697792 Don't toy with me wolfy. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1338	Posted - 2014.06.04 12:15:00 - [14889] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rejoice and behold! https://twitter.com/IronWolfSaber/status/474116105825697792 Unbelievable! No Troll? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
LeGoose SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 274	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:05:00 - [14890] - Quote First: Yay stun lock fix! Second:Can anyone confirm if the cal scouts precision got nerfed as well? The Google doc only says range, but the post about the hotfix blog says both. Click it! I dare you...

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1339	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:13:00 - [14891] - Quote LeGoose wrote: First: Yay stun lock fix! Second:Can anyone confirm if the cal scouts precision got nerfed as well? The Google doc only says range, but the post about the hotfix blog says both. Dropsuit Command / Caldari Scout +15% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak +5% bonus to scan radius and scan precision No tellin'. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2764	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:20:00 - [14892] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rejoice and behold! https://twitter.com/IronWolfSaber/status/474116105825697792 well. I'm done. Time to stack KinCats on all my fits! Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2764	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:20:00 - [14893] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: LeGoose wrote: First: Yay stun lock fix! Second:Can anyone confirm if the cal scouts precision got nerfed as well? The Google doc only says range, but the post about the hotfix blog says both. Dropsuit Command / Caldari Scout +15% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak +5% bonus to scan radius and scan precision No tellin'. Yeah, check the announcements page. it says a few things' descriptions didn't change Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1339	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:31:00 - [14894] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Time to stack KinCats on all my fits! * Stacked 3 Cmp KinCats on GalScout. * Attempted to bullet weave around AR fire. * Failed. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 495	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:27:00 - [14895] - Quote mollerz wrote: Zns are good for rookie n00bs who can only kill stationary unaware prey. Sobs as I quietly slip out the shop Reading my Ninja bible all the way home "Shine bright like a diamond"*
IgniteableAura The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 1195	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:39:00 - [14896] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: Time to stack KinCats on all my fits! * Stacked 3 Cmp KinCats on GalScout. * Attempted to bullet weave around AR fire. * Failed. Scrub. Gonna have to jump on Dust tonight to play out the new build. I finally speced into forge gun the other night. Killed 4 tanks in one match. Shotty, you should have saved that 1.4 mil into pro V SL and gotten a heavy forger Excited about stun lock getting fixed. YAY for proving it existed. I thought radius on Cal scout was never intended to be nerfed. Only the precision. Callie only have 2 lows and 80m scan range isnt that far for compromising your entire fit. You end up with like 5HP. <-------Yes, I am rounding up. Youtube
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 495	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:47:00 - [14897] - Quote Radius was to be decreased to force Cal Scout users to have to put themself in harms way more than just be a scanning beacon in the midst of a squad. At least that is what some advocated for. Devs didnt bring it to the table but accepted the suggestion "Shine bright like a diamond"
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3435	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:49:00 - [14898] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rejoice and behold! https://twitter.com/IronWolfSaber/status/474116105825697792 Unbelievable! No Troll? Edit: No Troll! Quote: We have reduced the slow-down effect from bullets down to zero, eliminating GÇPstun-lockingGÇ£. This will potentially have a slight adverse affect on the efficiency of high ROF weapons, HMGGÇÿs and Combat Rifles in particular, both of which are doing quite well on the battlefield right now. We will keep a close eye on this over the next few weeks. This raises the question: What was the slow down effect set at before? Are we going from 10% to 0 or 25% to 0GÇª what was it at? Felt like about 20% to me but I have no way to knowGÇª Looking forwards to this though KRRROOOOOOM
IgniteableAura The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 1195	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:53:00 - [14899] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Radius was to be decreased to force Cal Scout users to have to put themself in harms way more than just be a scanning beacon in the midst of a squad. At least that is what some advocated for. Devs didnt bring it to the table but accepted the suggestion So is the precision nerfed on the callie? I am so confused lol. Pretty lame if radius was nerfed with no real disucssion but taken up just because a couple people suggested it.....much like sidearm only scouts. Just cause its suggested doesn't mean its smart. Llast, felt like 100% to me Youtube
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3435	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:55:00 - [14900] - Quote The slow down effect reduction may affect Knives. Logibro asks for feedbackGÇª and offers to look at further Knife changes Minja deploy here KRRROOOOOOM

Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2767	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:13:00 - [14901] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: The slow down effect reduction may affect Knives. Logibro asks for feedbackGÇª and offers to look at further Knife changes Minja deploy here unabashedly asked for reduction to backward movements. Had a few times where the second hit didn't score while they were walking backwards/ Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 495	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:14:00 - [14902] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Master Smurf wrote: Radius was to be decreased to force Cal Scout users to have to put themself in harms way more than just be a scanning beacon in the midst of a squad. At least that is what some advocated for. Devs didnt bring it to the table but accepted the suggestion So is the precision nerfed on the callie? I am so confused lol. Pretty lame if radius was nerfed with no real disucssion but taken up just because a couple people suggested it.....much like sidearm only scouts. Just cause its suggested doesn't mean its smart. Llast, felt like 100% to me Precision wasnt set to be nerfed. If it is then its a bug. Many of the changes were made on suggestions by the vocal minority - that is how this stuff works. - There was discussion and I think the main thinking was Caldari should have to move more to maintain that great passive scan and if they want more they have to give up dampening / armor. It was also said Gal should be range with less precision and cal should be precision with less range. It was also discussed that both Cal and Gal should lose range entirely but settled on 3% and 1% per level. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1342	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:35:00 - [14903] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Master Smurf wrote: Radius was to be decreased to force Cal Scout users to have to put themself in harms way more than just be a scanning beacon in the midst of a squad. At least that is what some advocated for. Devs didnt bring it to the table but accepted the suggestion So is the precision nerfed on the callie? I am so confused lol. Pretty lame if radius was nerfed with no real disucssion but taken up just because a couple people suggested it.....much like sidearm only scouts. Just cause its suggested doesn't mean its smart. Llast, felt like 100% to me Precision wasnt set to be nerfed. If it is then its a bug. Many of the changes were made on suggestions by the vocal minority - that is how this stuff works. - There was discussion and I think the main thinking was Caldari should have to move more to maintain that great passive scan and if they want more they have to give up dampening / armor. It was also said Gal should be range with less precision and cal should be precision with less range. It was also discussed that both Cal and Gal should lose range entirely but settled on 3% and 1% per level. By "vocal minority" do you mean Zatara Rought? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2767	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:36:00 - [14904] - Quote he was basically the only one Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1342	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:44:00 - [14905] - Quote PSA: Commander Marquess AWOX'd ERA. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
mollerz 3624	Posted - 2014.06.04 16:07:00 - [14906] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: The slow down effect reduction may affect Knives. Logibro asks for feedbackGÇª and offers to look at further Knife changes Minja deploy here Going to go read... but at first glance I'd say this was a big positive for knifers. The slow down would be killing me every time. not my prey. Now I can run and not get stopped? @ Appia- if they remove that silly ***** magic moon walk I'd play this **** game again. That is the stupidest thing ever. Your Welcome
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1784	Posted - 2014.06.04 16:08:00 - [14907] - Quote I won't be able to play until later this afternoon/evening. What are the noticeable effects of the dampening/scanning changes? Will I be greatly affected in my minja suit? The REAL Internet King
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 74	Posted - 2014.06.04 16:16:00 - [14908] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rejoice and behold! https://twitter.com/IronWolfSaber/status/474116105825697792 Unbelievable! No Troll? Edit: No Troll! Quote: We have reduced the slow-down effect from bullets down to zero, eliminating GÇPstun-lockingGÇ£. This will potentially have a slight adverse affect on the efficiency of high ROF weapons, HMGGÇÿs and Combat Rifles in particular, both of which are doing quite well on the battlefield right now. We will keep a close eye on this over the next few weeks. This raises the question: What was the slow down effect set at before? Are we going from 10% to 0 or 25% to 0GÇª what was it at? Felt like about 20% to me but I have no way to knowGÇª Looking forwards to this though Yeah, no ******* wonder an HMG signified instant death for my 200 hp minja. I FELT like it was slowing me down just getting hit, but with a refurbished PS3, I was chalking it up to the machine being tired and performing poorly on my own end. MAYBE it'll take an extra 0.01 seconds for an HMG to kill me now... which should give me all the time I need. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in Dust University. Believe it.
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 74	Posted - 2014.06.04 16:18:00 - [14909] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I won't be able to play until later this afternoon/evening. What are the noticeable effects of the dampening/scanning changes? Will I be greatly affected in my minja suit? I'll be running 2x enh precision amp and a sidearm damage mod in the highs, with 2 enh damps in the lows to see if I manage to get the drop on Cal Scouts that don't also go full ewar on their fits. I expect good results, will report back once I have something conclusive. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in Dust University. Believe it.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1353	Posted - 2014.06.04 16:45:00 - [14910] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I won't be able to play until later this afternoon/evening. What are the noticeable effects of the dampening/scanning changes? Will I be greatly affected in my minja suit? Honestly can't tell you that I've noticed any major difference yet. GalScout: I'd been running Damps(x2) + KinCats(x2) and I've noticed no change so far. I do seem to "pop up" on enemy TacNet more often when I swapped out the second damp for KinCat (x3) or Armor Rep. CalScout: Observing fewer Scouts in matches than before. Still running Enhancers(x2) + Range Extenders(x2). Too early to tell whether or not I'm scanning Scouts more regularly than before. Cloak: I kinda like the new duration changes. Quick drain; quick recharge. Observations: Nyain San pubstompers are currently embedding a squishy CalScout instead of GalLogis, but that may change. They're spamming fewer tanks already, which I take as a good sign. Also, f*cking heavies everywhere. Bring your REs, Shotguns and Knives; they're going to be a problem. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley



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