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Quil Evrything wrote:

Brokerib wrote:

Quil Evrything wrote:

Brokerib wrote:

Just a thought on this. I like the idea of % based armor modules, but it does disadvantage low HP suits.

And by "disadvantage", you mean... People would have to play low HP suits... as low HP suits.
This is a problem??

Only to people who like abusing low hp suits to be out of their class.

Ummmm...no. I'm not sure why so many scouts have a problem with it, but I think the assult scout is an entirely viable playstyle.

The relevant question is not "is it viable?"
Rather, "is it appropriate/balanced/fair?"

Replace "assault scout" with "slayer logi",and perhaps you get the idea (Or do you abuse those too? :p )

"Slayer logi is an entirely viable playstyle".
Well, of course it's "viable"(aka useful). But it's still abuse of the general class concept.

Sane class grouping should be:

Scouts: light, fast, low armor, high EWAR.

Logis: medium everything, (with perhaps explicitly low damage), lots of EQ

Assaults: lots of armor, lots of damage

Heavy: ludicrous armor, ludicrous damage... stupid slow, and electronically blind.

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noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 1187	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:35:00 - [13021] - Quote In other news about 10 hours from beating ffx if I speed run. In reality im prob about 40 hours away from gettin near to the end then add another 100 hours to beat the darks the grind is real I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2814	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:42:00 - [13022] - Quote I've decided I'm going to start running proto scanners and eventually skill up a gal logi so I can show all these whiney scrubs that the scanner IS STILL USEFUL. Need MOAR SPs! Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2814	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:42:00 - [13023] - Quote noob cavman wrote: In other news about 10 hours from beating ffx if I speed run. In reality im prob about 40 hours away from gettin near to the end then add another 100 hours to beat the darks the grind is real FFX is all about beating that ball-game I forget the name of. Best part of the game! Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 1188	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:44:00 - [13024] - Quote Django Quik wrote: noob cavman wrote: In other news about 10 hours from beating ffx if I speed run. In reality im prob about 40 hours away from gettin near to the end then add another 100 hours to beat the darks the grind is real FFX is all about beating that ball-game I forget the name of. Best part of the game! Blitzball. Need to do that to get wakkas damage limit breaker. Need to break that 9999 damage! All about that 99,999!!! I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
Ninja Troll General Tso's Alliance 147	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:47:00 - [13025] - Quote Django Quik wrote: I've decided I'm going to start running proto scanners and eventually skill up a gal logi so I can show all these whiney scrubs that the scanner IS STILL USEFUL. Need MOAR SPs! I thought about going proto Gal logi on my alt account, but I chose proto Min scout. I need a lot of SP too! Good news, accelerated SP event next week from April 16 to 23rd. 5x SP per match and 3x SP Cap. It's announced in game, not on forums yet. Thankfully I saved an Omega booster for this type of event. Pimps don't cry.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 337	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:48:00 - [13026] - Quote Django Quik wrote: I've decided I'm going to start running proto scanners and eventually skill up a gal logi so I can show all these whiney scrubs that the scanner IS STILL USEFUL. Need MOAR SPs! Incoming!!!!!!! CCP is tossing around SP like Money Mayweather tosses around bills. "Shine bright like a diamond"
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 1189	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:50:00 - [13027] - Quote Ninja Troll wrote: Django Quik wrote: I've decided I'm going to start running proto scanners and eventually skill up a gal logi so I can show all these whiney scrubs that the scanner IS STILL USEFUL. Need MOAR SPs! I thought about going proto Gal logi on my alt account, but I chose proto Min scout. I need a lot of SP too! Good news, accelerated SP event next week from April 16 to 23rd. 5x SP per match and 3x SP Cap. It's announced in game, not on forums yet. Thankfully I saved an Omega booster for this type of event. .... ccp I hate you. I cant grind out two games at once! Not only that my gun game is taking a hit playing ffx so if I play dust il get it back but my micro management in ffx is gonna go to poop! welp time to be a scrub and call in tanks XD I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1201	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:19:00 - [13028] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Brokerib wrote: Just a thought on this. I like the idea of % based armor modules, but it does disadvantage low HP suits. And by "disadvantage", you mean... People would have to play low HP suits... as low HP suits. This is a problem?? Only to people who like abusing low hp suits to be out of their class. Ummmm...no. I'm not sure why so many scouts have a problem with it, but I think the assult scout is an entirely viable playstyle. The relevant question is not "is it viable?" Rather, "is it appropriate/balanced/fair?" Replace "assault scout" with "slayer logi",and perhaps you get the idea (Or do you abuse those too? :p ) "Slayer logi is an entirely viable playstyle". Well, of course it's "viable"(aka useful). But it's still abuse of the general class concept. Sane class grouping should be: Scouts: light, fast, low armor, high EWAR. Logis: medium everything, (with perhaps explicitly low damage), lots of EQ Assaults: lots of armor, lots of damage Heavy: ludicrous armor, ludicrous damage... stupid slow, and electronically blind.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1180	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:34:00 - [13029] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: I miss the old days and the old PHI. -snipitty snip- I feel this way sometims about TUL, approaching 1 year in the corp, it was so fun to begin with. Everyone was so positive about the game and always played, and with 1000 members you'd never want for a squad, and would regularly go up against others in Pub matches. Hell, one time we even ended up with 2 full Tul teams going up against each other. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1500	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:38:00 - [13030] - Quote @Quil There is nothing wrong with an assault scout or a slayer logi as long as they don't outperform the suits that are intended for that role.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4090	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:42:00 - [13031] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Brokerib wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Brokerib wrote: Just a thought on this. I like the idea of % based armor modules, but it does disadvantage low HP suits. And by "disadvantage", you mean... People would have to play low HP suits... as low HP suits. This is a problem?? Only to people who like abusing low hp suits to be out of their class. Ummmm...no. I'm not sure why so many scouts have a problem with it, but I think the assult scout is an entirely viable playstyle. The relevant question is not "is it viable?" Rather, "is it appropriate/balanced/fair?" Replace "assault scout" with "slayer logi",and perhaps you get the idea (Or do you abuse those too? :p ) "Slayer logi is an entirely viable playstyle". Well, of course it's "viable"(aka useful). But it's still abuse of the general class concept. Sane class grouping should be: Scouts: light, fast, low armor, high EWAR. Logis: medium everything, (with perhaps explicitly low damage), lots of EQ Assaults: lots of armor, lots of damage Heavy: ludicrous armor, ludicrous damage... stupid slow, and electronically blind. I'm fine with a "Light Assault". I just hate role theft. A decently tanked scout can function as a psuedo-Assault suit with enhanced eWar capabilities. It neglects maxing out its strengths and instead focuses on eliminating its weaknesses (eHP, Armor Regen, firepower). The Assault can make this trade as well, by dumping other mods in favor of eWar mods. It can sacrifice some of its eHP, combat regen and firepower in favor of some eWar mods. Both suits perform the same roughly, but with different strengths. The Scout Assault would have noticeably less eHP and staying power, but have better eWar and stealth abilities. The Assault Scout would have noticeably more eHP and staying power, but also have marginally better eWar and stealth abilities (Such as dodging proto scans or being able to scan other Med Frames within their scan range). They would be SIMILAR but not COPIES of each other. Problem right now is that CCP doesn't know how to balance this game well. Once the Assaults get re-balanced, hopefully the med frames will get their strength back, and the differences between the two will be become noticeable. Right now, old Assault frames have taken up scout because the Scout suit can make a better assault suit than the med frame. It IS abuse and role theft, but they really have no choice in the matter. Either play in a gimped suit or use the best possible alternative. EDIT: Remember, this is Dust514. We do need clearly defined archetypes, but the beauty in this game is how that line can be blurred. You can adjust fits to emulate a playstyle you like, such as a psuedo-Logi scout or an Assault with eWar abilities. Short version of what I am trying to say: It's okay to fit a scout like an assault and play it like an assault, so long as the real assault ALWAYS does its job better. Emulated classes should not be more powerful than the archetype in its own strengths. This is the problem. Slayer Logi's were better Assaults than the Assault suit. Assault Scouts are better than the Assault suit. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2817	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:33:00 - [13032] - Quote Speaking of psuedo logi scouts... anyone thought about partially tanking up and running a repper behind a heavy? Maybe a repping hive too. On a proto gal scout you could run 2x plates, 2x range amps and 2x shields with weapons of choice whatever you can fit after that. You'd be providing long range scanning to like ~60m (I forget the exact range from 2 amps). You'd have enough tank to be able to take some stray fire not mopped up by the heavy and you might not get noticed too much anyway because you're less likely to get scanned than a real logi. Pure conjecture here but sounds like it could be fun... Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2821	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:39:00 - [13033] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: LOLEDIT: Krom said my TL;DR while I was typing this up. Man can see the future Krom does that KRRROOOOOOM
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4092	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:40:00 - [13034] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Speaking of psuedo logi scouts... anyone thought about partially tanking up and running a repper behind a heavy? Maybe a repping hive too. On a proto gal scout you could run 2x plates, 2x range amps and 2x shields with weapons of choice whatever you can fit after that. You'd be providing long range scanning to like ~60m (I forget the exact range from 2 amps). You'd have enough tank to be able to take some stray fire not mopped up by the heavy and you might not get noticed too much anyway because you're less likely to get scanned than a real logi. Pure conjecture here but sounds like it could be fun... I ran Injectors and Rep tools for the lulz once. I actually did rather well. Ran with squads to keep them up and running. When things went to hell, I just ran away and left them to their fate I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2822	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:44:00 - [13035] - Quote Ran a Rep Tool on my Min last night for one match Strafing and guardian is funny. Was reaping a Commando and flittering around it the whole time never got hit bad enough to worry. Other than that I spent most of the time zipping about as usual and reaping those I came across who needed it. Needle is awesome on a scout. KRRROOOOOOM
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 844	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:54:00 - [13036] - Quote Ninja Troll wrote: Django Quik wrote: I've decided I'm going to start running proto scanners and eventually skill up a gal logi so I can show all these whiney scrubs that the scanner IS STILL USEFUL. Need MOAR SPs! I thought about going proto Gal logi on my alt account, but I chose proto Min scout. I need a lot of SP too! Good news, accelerated SP event next week from April 16 to 23rd. 5x SP per match and 3x SP Cap. It's announced in game, not on forums yet. Thankfully I saved an Omega booster for this type of event. Where did CCP state this? Also not going to use a booster for this. Already spent enough money on CCP. I've spent zero money on warframe and enjoy it more.............thats sad Think CCP knows these accelerated SP events drive booster sales up like crazy, so more the merrier for them. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Patrick57 6846	Posted - 2014.04.09 20:21:00 - [13037] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Only two we are missing is Morathi and TBA. \o\ /o/ \o/ Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Yan Darn Science For Death 558	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:02:00 - [13038] - Quote lol @ Ghost - silver lining, you can copy and paste that in a thread at GD at some point. Not everyone will grasp Krom's succinct version. The Ghost of Bravo
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1203	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:10:00 - [13039] - Quote you could say this is a reply to both Ghost and Krom.... Krom Ganesh wrote: @Quil There is nothing wrong with an assault scout or a slayer logi as long as they don't outperform the suits that are intended for that role. The problem being, of course.. that they do. Its bad enough when a "logi" can do that. but when a "light" suit can do that?? Come on, something's wrong. A proto bricktanked scout, strongly outperforms a basic, and probably even an all-adv , assault suit, for assault purposes. Does anyone actually disagree with that? If you do... you're wrong, so shaddup Numbers (as verified by protofits.com) Adv caldari assault, adv shields, adv armor shield 371, armor 392 movement 5.0 sprint 7.35. shield regen 30/sec Proto caldari scout, fully bricked complex shields complex armor: 352 shield, 384 armor. movement 5.4, sprint 8. shield regen 50/sec !! Invisible to most passive scans, plus active scans.. Its OWN passive scan has over twice the range, plus is actualy useful. And oh by the way will be able to fit a cloak I think.. The difference in tank is basically 1 bullet, so negligable. The tactical differences, however, are overwhelmingly in favor of the scout.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1014	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:13:00 - [13040] - Quote Quil is making too much sense. I obviously need a vacation and to really gain some perspective. Looking for the scout hangout?

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1183	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:21:00 - [13041] - Quote Quil, you're scaring me. On another note, what happened to the CPM members who aren't Iron Wolf? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2819	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:59:00 - [13042] - Quote Spademan wrote: Quil, you're scaring me. On another note, what happened to the CPM members who aren't Iron Wolf? Kane's apparently trying to save the remains of PC1.0 so there's some fun to be had there until it's all torn down and PC2.0 comes along. Apart from that haven't seen a peep from Jenza, Caz or Nova in a long long time. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1505	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:02:00 - [13043] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: @Quil There is nothing wrong with an assault scout or a slayer logi as long as they don't outperform the suits that are intended for that role. The problem being, of course.. that they do. No one's denying that. All I'm pointing out is that the solution shouldn't wipe out a legitimate playstyle.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1186	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:05:00 - [13044] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Spademan wrote: Quil, you're scaring me. On another note, what happened to the CPM members who aren't Iron Wolf? Kane's apparently trying to save the remains of PC1.0 so there's some fun to be had there until it's all torn down and PC2.0 comes along. Apart from that haven't seen a peep from Jenza, Caz or Nova in a long long time. And nothing from Heinrich for even longer. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2821	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:10:00 - [13045] - Quote Spademan wrote: Django Quik wrote: Spademan wrote: Quil, you're scaring me. On another note, what happened to the CPM members who aren't Iron Wolf? Kane's apparently trying to save the remains of PC1.0 so there's some fun to be had there until it's all torn down and PC2.0 comes along. Apart from that haven't seen a peep from Jenza, Caz or Nova in a long long time. And nothing from Heinrich for even longer. Oh yeah, completely forgot about him. I used to really like him for his weekly CPM reports but they were short lived and then died out completely. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1186	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:18:00 - [13046] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Oh yeah, completely forgot about him. I used to really like him for his weekly CPM reports but they were short lived and then died out completely. I sure hope the next Cpm doesn't turn out like that. I'm sure they have other commitments and all, but to just completely disappear from the public eye? That's not who i want representing the game. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 164	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:33:00 - [13047] - Quote Regarding the 5x sp event starting on the 16th: Will we be maxed a ~600,000sp actively? (~3x weekly cap I believe) The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers That was an Execution - Pistol Headshot Kill Sitting on a hill, ready to kill
Patrick57 6853	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:42:00 - [13048] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: Regarding the 5x sp event starting on the 16th: Will we be maxed a ~600,000sp actively? (~3x weekly cap I believe) Cap is 187k SP IIRC. Tripled it would be 561k, and with an Omega Booster (like me) that will be 1,122,000 SP. :D Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1616	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:45:00 - [13049] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: Regarding the 5x sp event starting on the 16th: Will we be maxed a ~600,000sp actively? (~3x weekly cap I believe) Cap is 187k SP IIRC. Tripled it would be 561k, and with an Omega Booster (like me) that will be 1,122,000 SP. :D Damn, that's a busy week for me.... May only be able to get half my games in... so maybe I'll only get 300k active SP. Still, not a bad take. Should have that Cal scout to proto in no time! And on the proto note, one of my buddy scouts has been pushing me to quit using my cheap **** (you know who you are Borm1r!)... never brought proto onto the field but looks like I may have to soon; I can't stand the abuse! Double posting like a Kaiser.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5828	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:07:00 - [13050] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147241 I ask my fellow scouts to support this thread and spread this link, we must make this EXPLODE and be something that survives through the life of dust. This could be epic, and we must help make it so! We are the subject matter after all. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)



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