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Driftward wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Driftward wrote:

Awesome. Just to recap for the total changes to scouts we'll see in 1.8:

We get two new races, two more slots for every suit (equipment!!! and low/high slot) higher base HP/stamina/scan range/CPU/PG, better scan precision (40 dB!!!), reduced scan profile (35 dB!!!), minmatar gets an extra hacking bonus, and a new piece of equipment (cloak) almost solely for scouts.

Did I miss anything? That's a lot of dev hugs right there

I wonder if posting the scanning feedback actually made a difference or if that was already being changed anyways....awww who cares, we got the bonus.

How will this affect scanning on the Cal Scout?

We need to number crunch again What?

Barring Haerr already updating his table I may just make manual changes myself....be back momentarily...

Edit:

OKAY, what we have is this (remember full skills assumed here)

____Gal Scout____I____Cal Scout _____I____Generic Scout precision____I_______Logistics________
0 damp = 23.6 dB__I__0 prec = 27.0 dB__I__0 prec/damp = 36.0 / 31.5 dB __I__0 prec/damp = 40.5 / 45 dB
1 damp = 17.7 dB__I__1 prec = 21.6 dB__I__1 prec/damp = 28.8 / 23.6 dB __I__1 prec/damp = 32.4 / 33.7 dB
2 damp = 13.3 dB__I__2 prec = 17.8 dB__I__2 prec/damp = 23.8 / 17.7 dB __I__2 prec/damp = 26.7 / 26.4 dB

Good things for the Cal scout and scouts in general

Caldari needs 1 module to beat the gallente scout with no modules essentially and it scales from there linearly for the most part (no Gal scout should ever use more than 1 dampeners realistically anyways) but Cal scout can't get below ~14 even with 4 precision enhancers. Regardless, the important part is that Cal scout CAN catch an unmodded Gallente scout using only 1 precision mod. The 2 precision mod vs. 1 dampener is kind of a wash. Almost exactly the same, and previous experience tells us that ties go to the scanner....soooo should be ok.

For scouts in general it works pretty much the same. 1 precision to beat 0 damps, 2 precision to more or less tie 1 complex damp.

I think it works out nicely on first glance.

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Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3349	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:37:00 - [11101] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: This isn't a whine as such...but refund on dropsuit command only is the worst possible result for me personally. I only have gal scout 5 in DS command. My only 'wasted' points are about 1-2mil in plasma rifles (and maybe SMGs as I'm a ScP convert now) - the points in PR are there because that was the only rifle for like, forever (the same premise the DS refund was based on?). The 'worst' thing though is all the people who will be respeccing into gal scouts (if anyone believes another scout will be more popular - I'd genuinely like to hear why). That being said - cant wait for 1.8, now I just have to try and rearrange my leave for that week instead of March 18th week... I personally think that none of the scouts are by far the "Best" of the scouts. Gal and Min are pretty good, but the Cal and Amarr scouts have their own flavors as well. As for me? I got speed, stealth, hacking, and assassination out the wazzo in my Min Scout. I wouldn't even dream of going Gal Scout. Just not my thing. I'm to aggressive. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2376	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:12:00 - [11102] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Proposed Scout builds for 1.8 ( I made one for every race, and yes, they are racial builds. They use their racial weapons and equipment where possible) Feedback? Amarr Minmatar (My personal Fit) <--- This guy only costs 120k ISK as well Caldari Gallente ALSO: This fitting tool gives you the Hack speed factor for the suits. My Min scout has a hack speed factor of 2.15. If that means that I hack 2.15 "Units" per second, it means I can hack an Objective in 4.65 seconds. Hell yeah. Ghost Back to kindergarden You need to learn how to share Blank fittings KRRROOOOOOM
J0LLY R0G3R 0uter.Heaven 604	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:34:00 - [11103] - Quote Looks like my cal logi is going to embrace the light come 1.8 I wasted sooo much sp on dropsuits on the character. Amarr assault to adv, Gal medium frame to adv, amarr heavy to adv, cal logi to proto, cal assault to standard, Minmatar scout to standard. Suppose I'll get that lil Amarr proto scout and finish out my prof on scr's I'll keep my gal scout the way he is though XD XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
DaNizzle4shizle Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 704	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:41:00 - [11104] - Quote SCOUT CLOAK FTW!!! like if you agree. I strive for Greatness. Forum Warrior 0.7
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3350	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:11:00 - [11105] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Proposed Scout builds for 1.8 ( I made one for every race, and yes, they are racial builds. They use their racial weapons and equipment where possible) Feedback? Amarr Minmatar (My personal Fit) <--- This guy only costs 120k ISK as well Caldari Gallente ALSO: This fitting tool gives you the Hack speed factor for the suits. My Min scout has a hack speed factor of 2.15. If that means that I hack 2.15 "Units" per second, it means I can hack an Objective in 4.65 seconds. Hell yeah. Ghost Back to kindergarden You need to learn how to share Blank fittings OH. Thanks! They should be fixed now. Sorry, but that was my first time using that fitting tool. It's really good though, much more user friendly than my version. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3350	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:12:00 - [11106] - Quote Reposting what I posted earlier. This is because if you try to click on the links in my or Llast's posts, you will get the blank fittings. Click on the ones in this post. Ghost Kaisar wrote: Proposed Scout builds for 1.8 ( I made one for every race, and yes, they are racial builds. They use their racial weapons and equipment where possible) Feedback? Amarr Minmatar (My personal Fit) <--- This guy only costs 120k ISK as well Caldari Gallente ALSO: This fitting tool gives you the Hack speed factor for the suits. My Min scout has a hack speed factor of 2.15. If that means that I hack 2.15 "Units" per second, it means I can hack an Objective in 4.65 seconds. Hell yeah. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Appia Nappia Nos Nothi 339	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:39:00 - [11107] - Quote How do you get the fittings to save so you can share them? Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Appia Nappia Nos Nothi 339	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:42:00 - [11108] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: My new 1.8 Fit What do you guys think? I think it will be a great Hacking/Infiltration suit. Proto Cloak + Dampen = Undetectable Combine with Proto Speed and Hacking. I can hack a point in 6 seconds ( I think? Appia, how do you do the math for this? I think I might be faster than this. 1.1 base + 25% from skill + 25% from suit + 25% from module.) I will also have a Six Kin ACR and Ishnoks for combat purposes. Unless you play PC and are being lagged out, go boundless. So much better, Ghost. Also, so mcuh easier to fit. You also left out a grenade unless you don't use them you can fit a flux there. I'm personally not a big fan of that fit though. It seems too generic. My 1.8 proto min scout with have separate builds for killing, running around, hacking, causing mayhem. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5034	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:49:00 - [11109] - Quote I apologize in advance to any and all Amarr scouts caught in my MDs radius come 1.8. Just to be polite.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Appia Vibbia Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1425	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:49:00 - [11110] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Same plan as before for me Stay the same, but I am in a position to expand into other scout suits on this account. Which is nice, not as expansive as say Appia's ability to take on other suits though. My Minja will always be pure Matari though. Dropsuit respec changes nothing for me. Really disappointed that weaponry was not announced to be refunded. This is really a poor decision. Anyone that wanted to go Commando or Assault and is low SP will either shoehorn themselves into the dropsuit that best fits their weapons or be SOL. Gal-Logi, Gal-Scout, Min-Scout, Cal-Scout. So close, yet so far. At least I won the bet on 1.8 drop date Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5034	Posted - 2014.03.12 20:52:00 - [11111] - Quote Also anyone else think the caldari and matari scouts look similar in some places? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 784	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:02:00 - [11112] - Quote Doesn't make sense that they wouldn't respec weapons when I understand last patch vehicle guys got their turret skills reset. New weapons are being added and changes to existing weapons are being made so it doesn't make sense. I kind of want to switch from Minmatar Scout to another Scout suit but I won't now because I don't want to "waste" the millions of SP I spent on Proto knives... Sigh I didn't miss this part of the game much... EDIT: Support ticket filed and was basically told "tough **** deal with it" in corporate speak.
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 98	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:20:00 - [11113] - Quote soooo anyone else disappointed that the amar scout is not wearing a trench coat and what with the million man death coming up I will have enough to proto a third scout, just have to give up on ever getting that stupid hacking skill up
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3354	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:20:00 - [11114] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: My new 1.8 Fit What do you guys think? I think it will be a great Hacking/Infiltration suit. Proto Cloak + Dampen = Undetectable Combine with Proto Speed and Hacking. I can hack a point in 6 seconds ( I think? Appia, how do you do the math for this? I think I might be faster than this. 1.1 base + 25% from skill + 25% from suit + 25% from module.) I will also have a Six Kin ACR and Ishnoks for combat purposes. Unless you play PC and are being lagged out, go boundless. So much better, Ghost. Also, so mcuh easier to fit. You also left out a grenade unless you don't use them you can fit a flux there. I'm personally not a big fan of that fit though. It seems too generic. My 1.8 proto min scout with have separate builds for killing, running around, hacking, causing mayhem. It is generic. It is kinda an "All around" fit, made to be able to respond to several different scenario's at once. I like flexibility. I will probably also have separate fits for other roles, but this will be my "Go to" fit. Boundless is actually more CPU than the ACR. I always fight point-blank, so I actually prefer the spraying power of the ACR (Although I can use the Vanilla CR. It's a matter of taste) As for the grenade, yeah, I forgot it. There should be a flux. HOW TO SHARE FITS: Go to detail fits under the fitting tab. Click on it, and there should be a share option. It will give you a link to copy paste. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3354	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:22:00 - [11115] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Same plan as before for me Stay the same, but I am in a position to expand into other scout suits on this account. Which is nice, not as expansive as say Appia's ability to take on other suits though. My Minja will always be pure Matari though. Dropsuit respec changes nothing for me. Really disappointed that weaponry was not announced to be refunded. This is really a poor decision. Anyone that wanted to go Commando or Assault and is low SP will either shoehorn themselves into the dropsuit that best fits their weapons or be SOL. Gal-Logi, Gal-Scout, Min-Scout, Cal-Scout. So close, yet so far. At least I won the bet on 1.8 drop date Good Thing I've collected enough bounties to cover my losses Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5036	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:23:00 - [11116] - Quote icdedppul wrote: soooo anyone else disappointed that the amar scout is not wearing a trench coat and what with the million man death coming up I will have enough to proto a third scout, just have to give up on ever getting that stupid hacking skill up All scouts should have trench coats. Or cloaks, I'd put a cloak on my Minja so I could have a cloak on my Minja while using a cloak on my Minja. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2377	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:24:00 - [11117] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Same plan as before for me Stay the same, but I am in a position to expand into other scout suits on this account. Which is nice, not as expansive as say Appia's ability to take on other suits though. My Minja will always be pure Matari though. Dropsuit respec changes nothing for me. Really disappointed that weaponry was not announced to be refunded. This is really a poor decision. Anyone that wanted to go Commando or Assault and is low SP will either shoehorn themselves into the dropsuit that best fits their weapons or be SOL. Gal-Logi, Gal-Scout, Min-Scout, Cal-Scout. So close, yet so far. At least I won the bet on 1.8 drop date The best argument I heard for weapon respect was for people who were leaving Heavy (though I can't see a lot of people doing that) No refund on Heavy Weapons is pretty much a sink KRRROOOOOOM
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 896	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:25:00 - [11118] - Quote Well I'm definitely going to take SP out of the Minnie Logi, but I don't know about the Sp in Minnie assault, I think I want a reserve suit. Here is what I've been thinking to do: Put them back in Minnie Assault. Take out and put them in Galsault. Take out and put into a Commando, maybe Gal or Minnie. Take out and reinvest into Scout skills. What d'ya think? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2377	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:25:00 - [11119] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: icdedppul wrote: soooo anyone else disappointed that the amar scout is not wearing a trench coat and what with the million man death coming up I will have enough to proto a third scout, just have to give up on ever getting that stupid hacking skill up All scouts should have trench coats. Or cloaks, I'd put a cloak on my Minja so I could have a cloak on my Minja while using a cloak on my Minja. I could go for a scarf trailing behind my mina as I sprint to the kill KRRROOOOOOM
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 203	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:26:00 - [11120] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also anyone else think the caldari and matari scouts look similar in some places? I prefer the Caldari look to the Minnie Maybe its just the art but it looks really sleek - their light and heavy look good - medium looks like overalls and not a combat suit. "Shine bright like a diamond"

King of Ghosts Nos Nothi 306	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:28:00 - [11121] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also anyone else think the caldari and matari scouts look similar in some places? I prefer the Caldari look to the Minnie Maybe its just the art but it looks really sleek - their light and heavy look good - medium looks like overalls and not a combat suit. Caldari Heavy looks like Master Chief I am most definitely, maybe, probably, possibly, PERHAPS, Ghost Kaisar. Nos Nothi Moderator: Call me if you need me.
voidfaction Void of Faction 190	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:29:00 - [11122] - Quote Driftward wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Driftward wrote: Awesome. Just to recap for the total changes to scouts we'll see in 1.8: We get two new races, two more slots for every suit (equipment!!! and low/high slot) higher base HP/stamina/scan range/CPU/PG, better scan precision (40 dB!!!), reduced scan profile (35 dB!!!), minmatar gets an extra hacking bonus, and a new piece of equipment (cloak) almost solely for scouts. Did I miss anything? That's a lot of dev hugs right there I wonder if posting the scanning feedback actually made a difference or if that was already being changed anyways....awww who cares, we got the bonus. How will this affect scanning on the Cal Scout? We need to number crunch again Barring Haerr already updating his table I may just make manual changes myself....be back momentarily... Edit: OKAY, what we have is this (remember full skills assumed here) ____Gal Scout____I____Cal Scout _____I____Generic Scout precision____I_______Logistics________ 0 damp = 23.6 dB__I__0 prec = 27.0 dB__I__0 prec/damp = 36.0 / 31.5 dB __I__0 prec/damp = 40.5 / 45 dB 1 damp = 17.7 dB__I__1 prec = 21.6 dB__I__1 prec/damp = 28.8 / 23.6 dB __I__1 prec/damp = 32.4 / 33.7 dB 2 damp = 13.3 dB__I__2 prec = 17.8 dB__I__2 prec/damp = 23.8 / 17.7 dB __I__2 prec/damp = 26.7 / 26.4 dB Good things for the Cal scout and scouts in general Caldari needs 1 module to beat the gallente scout with no modules essentially and it scales from there linearly for the most part (no Gal scout should ever use more than 1 dampeners realistically anyways) but Cal scout can't get below ~14 even with 4 precision enhancers. Regardless, the important part is that Cal scout CAN catch an unmodded Gallente scout using only 1 precision mod. The 2 precision mod vs. 1 dampener is kind of a wash. Almost exactly the same, and previous experience tells us that ties go to the scanner....soooo should be ok. For scouts in general it works pretty much the same. 1 precision to beat 0 damps, 2 precision to more or less tie 1 complex damp. I think it works out nicely on first glance. I have to agree. works out very nice.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5036	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:29:00 - [11123] - Quote King of Ghosts wrote: Master Smurf wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also anyone else think the caldari and matari scouts look similar in some places? I prefer the Caldari look to the Minnie Maybe its just the art but it looks really sleek - their light and heavy look good - medium looks like overalls and not a combat suit. Caldari Heavy looks like Master Chief It really doesn't..... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 203	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:31:00 - [11124] - Quote Spademan wrote: Well I'm definitely going to take SP out of the Minnie Logi, but I don't know about the Sp in Minnie assault, I think I want a reserve suit. Here is what I've been thinking to do: Put them back in Minnie Assault. Take out and put them in Galsault. Take out and put into a Commando, maybe Gal or Minnie. Take out and reinvest into Scout skills. What d'ya think? I cant get with the Min Assault now that the scout has 3 low with more everything except health. It also lost the MD/ Flaylock buff. My plan is to make pure scout and baby assault out of my Minja and then down the road slowly build a heavy (which I may regret later). - but hey I played with my logi and assault for about a month and a half and then didnt touch them again. Love the scout too much. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1031	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:35:00 - [11125] - Quote DaNizzle4shizle wrote: SCOUT CLOAK FTW!!! like if you agree. Depends how it renders It's (probably) going to be like clone-in invisibility. Which means you get a fairly noticable blue outline when moving. So, useless at short range; you're still a high visibility target, comparatively speaking. The question then becomes how it renders at distance. The possibilities are that either it averages out to be truly INVISIBLE.... or the sparkelies actually become more visible. We Shall See. (or hopefully, not see)
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 21	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:47:00 - [11126] - Quote @ Bardas - You don't need a matari scout to run proto knives. Only real issue I have with 1.8 is this - you can't use a cloak without level 4 or 5 in a scout suit. Not a problem for me but what about a new player. You would have to grind through a massive amount of sp before you could use your light frame/scout suit as it was intended. I know we've been doing ok without cloaks so far but I'm not sure a new player would see it that way when we are all running around with invisibility. As for me, I really don't know what to do with my dropsuit sp refund. I'm currently minmatar. I love the speed and the shield tanking (hit and run) and would love a hacking bonus. Trouble is I'm not such a bit fan of the look. Proto gal scout looks much more awesome as do the new suits. Also I love scanning so the cal or gal bonus would be awesome. Using protofits, on paper the gal scout seems best as long as I don't mind loosing a percent or two speed with plates. Arrgh I just don't know!
King of Ghosts Nos Nothi 306	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:47:00 - [11127] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: HOW TO SHARE FITS: Go to detail fits under the fitting tab. Click on it, and there should be a share option. It will give you a link to copy paste. Thank you. Going to share a few in NN and update all my fits in the builds section with this tool now. Same. I'm cranking out those specialized fits now. I got a crazy idea for a combat Min Scout, and would love some feedback on it. Hint: It runs a Complex Ferro and Complex Rep I am most definitely, maybe, probably, possibly, PERHAPS, Ghost Kaisar. Nos Nothi Moderator: Call me if you need me.
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 21	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:49:00 - [11128] - Quote icdedppul wrote: soooo anyone else disappointed that the amar scout is not wearing a trench coat This, I always imagined it with a trench coat and a scrambler pistol.
Appia Nappia Nos Nothi 340	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:50:00 - [11129] - Quote What's nice about protofits.com vs the google doc that was exactly the same is that it doesn't bog down my computer leaving the website over oh desktop from 2006, how you've aged. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Driftoward Nos Nothi 174	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:03:00 - [11130] - Quote noob cavman wrote: DaNizzle4shizle wrote: SCOUT CLOAK FTW!!! like if you agree. THIS IS NOT FACEBOOK TAKE YOUR LIKE IF YOU AGREE AND SHOVE IT UP THY ARSE. YOU CRAZY MOTHER TRUCKER YOU. yes cap was necessary as rage filled my veins with the need to shout and punch a chav. I had to like this with both characters....was just necessary. Driftward alt. Its a secret, shhhh....



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