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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5085
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:01:00 -
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Quick question.
Do scouts see Light Frame users as "true scouts?"
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
I've adapted, and soon I will HTFU...
...Permanently. In a Gunnlogi
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
1286
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:07:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Quick question.
Do scouts see Light Frame users as "true scouts?"
If they play using scout tactics, I do. Especially if they run dampeners to obtain scout levels of dampening. We have some folks that run the dragonfly with no Spook scout levels. I run militia Minmatar light frame w/ a dampener and I feel I'm scouting when I do this.
Oswald did/does this with his dragonfly and I consider him one of those that epitomize scoutly play. I will enjoy going against his updated Cal-Scout situational awareness using my upgraded Spook-Scout stealth in 1.8.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
991
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:12:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:I'll probably be joining you guys in the Scout ranks after 1.8 :D
Cal Scout with 4 Complex Shield Extenders and 2 Complex Damps....hopefully I'll have enough CPU for that :3 ...
Also, would it be worth it to drop the Cloak if I had the 2 Complex Damps? Would the Dampeners even get me around Proto Scanners? Or should I use a Scanner and Remotes? :o
I would guess that for the majority of your play, you wont need any damps, with New ScoutGäó I think proto scanners are going to be even rarer than they are now. They're certainly going to be a whole lot les useful than they are now. (no spin, allegedly, and horrific cooldown times)
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
5442
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:17:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:I would guess that for the majority of your play, you wont need any damps, with New ScoutGäó I think proto scanners are going to be even rarer than they are now. They're certainly going to be a whole lot les useful than they are now. (no spin, allegedly, and horrific cooldown times)
I think the Proximity Scanners will be more useful than the others :3
10 second visibility, 20 second cooldown. Although it only has a 60 meter range, and I think it has a terrible angle.
Fatal Absolution's official bench warmer (scoot over Faquira) and mascot
I go negative in PC, yay
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
607
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:25:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I am against updating this registry. I would prefer to let the new registry do its thing, while we stalk the new registry for the dedicated scouts, and point them towards Nos Nothi.
I would ultimately prefer CCP create role specific sections in the forums, but that may be some time from now. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=140723&find=unread
Put up a suggestion to this effect when the registry was closed down. Frame said he'd bring it to the attention of the devs, so never know your luck.
Knowledge is power
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2075
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:27:00 -
[10446] - Quote
Patrick57 wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:I would guess that for the majority of your play, you wont need any damps, with New ScoutGäó I think proto scanners are going to be even rarer than they are now. They're certainly going to be a whole lot les useful than they are now. (no spin, allegedly, and horrific cooldown times)
I think the Proximity Scanners will be more useful than the others :3 10 second visibility, 20 second cooldown. Although it only has a 60 meter range, and I think it has a terrible angle. I know the debate over scanners on scouts and sure they have usesGǪ I am of the opinion that they are more trouble than they are worth. Scan message is bad for business You will have a good range and precision on a Cal scout. I would go other equipment than the scanner, RE (I like the BOOM), Injector (useful in many ways... stealthy scan), Cloak, Hives. All these things have uses that are not replicated by your suit itself.
Also New ScoutGäó Nice Quill, very nice
KRRROOOOOOM
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
399
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:33:00 -
[10447] - Quote
Llast 326 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:I would guess that for the majority of your play, you wont need any damps, with New ScoutGäó I think proto scanners are going to be even rarer than they are now. They're certainly going to be a whole lot les useful than they are now. (no spin, allegedly, and horrific cooldown times)
I think the Proximity Scanners will be more useful than the others :3 10 second visibility, 20 second cooldown. Although it only has a 60 meter range, and I think it has a terrible angle. I know the debate over scanners on scouts and sure they have usesGǪ I am of the opinion that they are more trouble than they are worth. Scan message is bad for business You will have a good range and precision on a Cal scout. I would go other equipment than the scanner, RE (I like the BOOM), Injector (useful in many ways... stealthy scan), Cloak, Hives. All these things have uses that are not replicated by your suit itself. Also New ScoutGäó Nice Quill, very nice
Every now and then he has a useful idea
Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
1290
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:00:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Also New ScoutGäó Nice Quill, very nice Every now and then he has a useful idea
I thought this was pretty cool too. |
Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1321
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:25:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:I would guess that for the majority of your play, you wont need any damps, with New ScoutGäó I think proto scanners are going to be even rarer than they are now. They're certainly going to be a whole lot les useful than they are now. (no spin, allegedly, and horrific cooldown times)
I think the Proximity Scanners will be more useful than the others :3 10 second visibility, 20 second cooldown. Although it only has a 60 meter range, and I think it has a terrible angle. I know the debate over scanners on scouts and sure they have usesGǪ I am of the opinion that they are more trouble than they are worth. Scan message is bad for business You will have a good range and precision on a Cal scout. I would go other equipment than the scanner, RE (I like the BOOM), Injector (useful in many ways... stealthy scan), Cloak, Hives. All these things have uses that are not replicated by your suit itself. Also New ScoutGäó Nice Quill, very nice I really wish they would have just changed the precision on the active scanners (and made them snapshot scans) I think balancing the scanner precision to medium frame values would have been better than what they did with it.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
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Bormir1r
WarRavens League of Infamy
98
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Posted - 2014.02.25 02:04:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:what would you guys feel about racial shotguns to complement the new racial scouts?
Wouldn't be bad, but it wouldn't be really necessary either, I mean what would be beneficial of having it? I understand Racial NK but Shotguns? I don't think it would work.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
2400
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Posted - 2014.02.25 02:45:00 -
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I'd kind of like to see a projectile shotty vs the plasma one we have now. I could see a fit for that.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Bormir1r
WarRavens League of Infamy
103
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Posted - 2014.02.25 03:19:00 -
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That would be cool. I wonder when lunging with NKs will come to light, it reminds me a lot of Halo with the swords.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Omareth Nasadra
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
310
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Posted - 2014.02.25 03:19:00 -
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about that new registry thing, personnally i couldn't care less about having my name on a damn list, i'm playing since chrome, and only been a scout since november, i consider myself a scout and still gonna be one whatsoever. To those who are for a new updated one, you wanna feel special? To those that are against, you afraid of not being hipster special? waste of energy imho, the scout community don't need this kind of segregation, bring this topic back to GD, don't make another registry, and keep that thread on topic, those who are afraid of the FOTM, this thread is maybe our best weapon to educate these scrubs.
just my 2 isk
Minmatar, In rust we trust!!!
Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
137
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Posted - 2014.02.25 06:32:00 -
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I may be wrong but I think of NK as being the Minnie SG. The idea of having racial knives and shotguns seems silly to me. Allready the AR, RR and CR are all too similar, just different flavours of vanilla, ScR is different enough to be worth it.
Unless the Amarr get light sabers, then I'm ok with it, but I'd prefer a light and a heavy melee weapon, imagine taking out a tank in a heavy suit with a war hammer. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2272
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Posted - 2014.02.25 08:54:00 -
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Racial melee weapons would be cool but not necessarily knives. Amarr could have the glaive (mentioned in one of the amarr lore stories) - oh, or was that a minmatar weapon being used by an Amarr? Minmatar would definitely have some sort of blunt hammer type instrument. And caldari would surely have some cold steel sword style thing.
Same for racials of anything else - they shouldn't just be different versions of the same thing; they should be different weapons with similar purposes. In much the same way that there is the dumbfire plasma launcher and the lock-on swarm missile launcher - they are both medium range AV (supposedly) but vastly different playstyle.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
842
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Quick question.
Do scouts see Light Frame users as "true scouts?" The way I see it, it has less to do with what you use and more with how you use it.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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noob cavman
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
693
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:56:00 -
[10457] - Quote
Off topic but just realised that im in a minmatar alliance yet I fight for the amarr in fw. Hmmmmm
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK
British ninja cowboy
scout, logi, heavy
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
129
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:26:00 -
[10458] - Quote
Question for Cyrius
- Do you get like monthly allotments of AUR or swag or free trips to fanfest for all the publicity you generate?
You are CCP's go to showman. You need an agent.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
129
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:35:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Quick question.
Do scouts see Light Frame users as "true scouts?"
At the moment yes because there is no alternate specialization.
I still think though that any scout style bonuses should only go to that class and not be extended to the basic (as some have argued for) because when Pilot and any others come along there has to be a differentiation made.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2085
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:52:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Atiim wrote:Quick question.
Do scouts see Light Frame users as "true scouts?" The way I see it, it has less to do with what you use and more with how you use it. We are still talking about suit frames here right?
I agree it is really about how you are approaching the use of your suit. Though this is not to say that using a light frame as a light assault does not mean you are not a scout. Plenty of people use the scout frame that way, (hell the Amarr frame seems to be designed that way) there are a lot of ways to approach being a scout, it's an abstract role in my opinion.
KRRROOOOOOM
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noob cavman
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
693
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Posted - 2014.02.25 15:23:00 -
[10461] - Quote
Balac on a gk0 = I win button XD
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK
British ninja cowboy
scout, logi, heavy
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Nyra Volki
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
161
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:25:00 -
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Django Quik wrote: And caldari would surely have some cold steel sword style thing. Nova Knifes are Caldari.
Silent you must be
Or die you will
From True scout a kind message
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2272
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:39:00 -
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Nyra Volki wrote:Django Quik wrote: And caldari would surely have some cold steel sword style thing. Nova Knifes are Caldari. Aw, damn I'm a fool trying to type things that make sense in the morning!
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Yan Darn
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
272
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:08:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote: On the other hand I like the idea of keeping this somewhat underground and pointing serious scouts here to keep this thread more manageable, fun, and less prone to invasion by less than serious or troll scouts. Let any other threads pop up and die out as their authors can manage.
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For compiling updated registry in barbershop: Denak Kalamari? Yan Darn? (Anyone else think this is a poke at Van Damm everytime they see this name...?) Llast
Against putting updated scout registry in barbershop: Mollerz Maken Tosch? Django Quick Ivan Avagadro Brokerib One Eyed King
I'll freely admit - confused what exactly this is about ^
All I I know is that I'm on the list now - I haven't looked at it for months, but im presuming that was in response to my QQ XD
So thanks - I normally wouldn't care about rep/recognition, but the dust community is so small and New Eden is famously built on such things, so it's nice just to know my long winded scout posts in this and other threads aren't completely meaningless.
I agree it would be a shame if this place got trolled or was the place people came to QQ about scouts. Ideally there will be a place for scouts to discuss scouting, and ideally, that would be here. Directing individual scouts from the new reg here is probably the best compromise considering the range of views being presented...this is all just 'IMHO' though.
That's enough about all that from me anyway...
My name is actually an anagram of a famous writer's...I do get called 'Van' a lot though...
It's actually the third and least favourite variation as well, but it's the one that happened to have the most versatile starter fits...
You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
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icdedppul
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
65
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:05:00 -
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so I had an epiphany.. jigging as a fat suit really just makes it harder for you to aim and doesn't actually make you harder to hit.. go strafe speed and large hit box
damn you scout ruining my game play for other suits what do you mean I can just stand in the middle of all this gun fire and spray bullets till they are all dead?
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
2408
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:08:00 -
[10466] - Quote
Master Smurf wrote:Question for Cyrius
- Do you get like monthly allotments of AUR or swag or free trips to fanfest for all the publicity you generate?
You are CCP's go to showman. You need an agent.
I'd think he's making a little on the side from advertising via youtube.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
1303
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:11:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:Matticus Monk wrote: On the other hand I like the idea of keeping this somewhat underground and pointing serious scouts here to keep this thread more manageable, fun, and less prone to invasion by less than serious or troll scouts. Let any other threads pop up and die out as their authors can manage.
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For compiling updated registry in barbershop: Denak Kalamari? Yan Darn? (Anyone else think this is a poke at Van Damm everytime they see this name...?) Llast
Against putting updated scout registry in barbershop: Mollerz Maken Tosch? Django Quick Ivan Avagadro Brokerib One Eyed King
I'll freely admit - confused what exactly this is about ^ All I I know is that I'm on the list now - I haven't looked at it for months, but im presuming that was in response to my QQ XD So thanks - I normally wouldn't care about rep/recognition, but the dust community is so small and New Eden is famously built on such things, so it's nice just to know my long winded scout posts in this and other threads aren't completely meaningless. I agree it would be a shame if this place got trolled or was the place people came to QQ about scouts. Ideally there will be a place for scouts to discuss scouting, and ideally, that would be here. Directing individual scouts from the new reg here is probably the best compromise considering the range of views being presented...this is all just 'IMHO' though. That's enough about all that from me anyway... My name is actually an anagram of a famous writer's...I do get called 'Van' a lot though... It's actually the third and least favourite variation as well, but it's the one that happened to have the most versatile starter fits...
Thanks for the reply. The basic jist of the situation is this:
Case #1: We open a new scout registry on page 520-ish of this thread, using one of my posts which I keep editing as new scouts wish to be registered. The original (closed) registry remains on the first post of this awesome thread and is untouched (remains closed), the fist page does link to the page with the new registry with all the current scouts.... that way there doesn't need to be a separate threads for a new scout registry. And all scouts share the same home.
Case #2: No change to anything. If a new scout registry pops up somewhere else folks register there if they want. maybe that thread dies due to it's author not updating, scouts not posting etc.... maybe it lives and we have 2 scout thread naughts. Scouts could potentially have two big threads they may want to monitor.
Most folks want to go with not creating a new registry for scouts in our thread naught here. Keep this place somewhat hidden from view.
If anyone else has an opinion please let me know - I'd like to get back to shotty soon. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
2408
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:26:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:
My name is actually an anagram of a famous writer's..
Dan Ryan
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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First Prophet
Minmatar Republic
1485
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:33:00 -
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I haven't been here since like page 200. What have I missed?
Users found this review helpful.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
993
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:43:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote: Thanks for the reply. The basic jist of the situation is this:
Case #1: We open a new scout registry on page 522 of this thread, ...
Case #2: No change to anything (original registry - first post of this thread still remains closed) If a new scout registry pops up somewhere else folks register there if they want. maybe that thread dies due to it's author not updating, scouts not posting etc.... maybe it lives and we have 2 scout thread naughts. Scouts could potentially have two big threads they may want to monitor. .... Most folks want to go with not creating a new registry for scouts in our thread naught here. Keep this place somewhat hidden from view. ... If anyone else has an opinion please let me know - I'd like to get back to shotty soon.
For me, I dont like #1, because something like that in the middle, is just too... messy.
Case #2 sounds like it implies (some random person makes a new one).
I think a "Case #3: 'official' one made by old guard", could be the nicest way to go, since that gives the benefit of a top-level fresh start. Plus we can structure the first 5 (maybe 10?) posts as appropriate placeholders, based on knowlege gained from the past 10,000 posts. And, it would avoid a split of scoutly resources.
We've hit the big 514 here. Seems like there isnt much left to achieve that would be specific to *this* thread. Oldtimers can always come grouse here about "the way things were", of course. But if we want to encourage the next wave of scouts to "Be all they can be", seems like we should take a more active hand in things.
IF this were generally agreeable, we might also have a discussion about which forum area would be the best for it. General, may not be the best. Not sure.
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