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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
778
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:27:00 -
[8221] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Quil Evrything wrote: Meh. isnt there already a skill for that? Seems like scrambler pistols are fine as-is. flaylocks, on the other hand, seriously need an increase in clip size. Either intrinsic, or at least as a skill.
Flaylocks don't need a bigger clip. They need more damage (direct and splash).
More... DAMAGE? On a zero PG sidearm ?!?!?
The damage is borderline-OP as it is.
If you want even more damage, then in my opinion, you should ask for a "light weapon" varient of the flaylock.
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2167
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:31:00 -
[8222] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Quil Evrything wrote: Meh. isnt there already a skill for that? Seems like scrambler pistols are fine as-is. flaylocks, on the other hand, seriously need an increase in clip size. Either intrinsic, or at least as a skill.
Flaylocks don't need a bigger clip. They need more damage (direct and splash). More... DAMAGE? On a zero PG sidearm ?!?!? The damage is borderline-OP as it is. If you want even more damage, then in my opinion, you should ask for a "light weapon" varient of the flaylock.
If it does enough damage, then why do you want a bigger clip?
Also, Core Flaylock is 45 CPU, 2 PG.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
778
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:34:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I actually got a GN flaylock kill last night... the unfortunate target had one foot in the grave which made it possible.
I have ONE fit with a flaylock. Because my poor minmatar scout lvl1, with 2xmilitia kincats, and knife, cannot fit any other weapon
I got an actual kill with the thing, in a face-to-face with a (probably std) medium suit that started at full health, and was all gung-ho about "I'm going to kill the little scout with the knife, ohohohoho...." I think I managed to somehow land 2 direct hits, and maybe 1 splash.
So... 1 clean kill.
and then countless more "@#$# i cant hit anything with a lousy 3 bullets in a clip!!" engagements that ended badly for me
(I got a few stealth distance kills with it. But generally speaking, in situations where I'd be fine with scramblyP, I usually die if I only have a flaylock )
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2170
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:37:00 -
[8224] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:mollerz wrote:I actually got a GN flaylock kill last night... the unfortunate target had one foot in the grave which made it possible. I have ONE fit with a flaylock. Because my poor minmatar scout lvl1, with 2xmilitia kincats, and knife, cannot fit any other weapon I got an actual kill with the thing, in a face-to-face with a (probably std) medium suit that started at full health, and was all gung-ho about "I'm going to kill the little scout with the knife, ohohohoho...." I think I managed to somehow land 2 direct hits, and maybe 1 splash. So... 1 clean kill. and then countless more "@#$# i cant hit anything with a lousy 3 bullets in a clip!!" engagements that ended badly for me (I got a few stealth distance kills with it. But generally speaking, in situations where I'd be fine with scramblyP, I usually die if I only have a flaylock )
So, you claim that you only have one fit with a flaylock.
You only got one kill with the thing. (Minus a few stealth distance kills)
And you are telling me, a person who has used this as a primary side for the past two months that the damage on the flaylock is borderline OP.
Do see what I am trying to say?
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
778
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:42:00 -
[8225] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:
So, you claim that you only have one fit with a flaylock.
You only got one kill with the thing. (Minus a few stealth distance kills)
And you are telling me, a person who has used this as a primary side for the past two months that the damage on the flaylock is borderline OP.
Do see what I am trying to say?
I only got one kill with it, because I suck at using it. I dont adjust to the travel time well. Meanwhile, there are folks such as (yourself?) who can reliably hit with the thing.
The test of OPness is how the weapon does, with areasonably skilled user.
You dont judge how powerful a Duvolle AR is, by dropping it in the hands of an Academy merc. (Gee, they died just as fast. Guess it isnt a particularly good weapon...)
Or do you claim that you like using it, but you dont land many shots on target with it either? And that no-one else can, even when they've been using it for a long time? Seems like I can recall reading a few posts by people to the contrary on that.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
753
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:43:00 -
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Literally the only quick and efficient use I've found for the flaylock is to terminate clones quickly Even destroying uplinks tend to take 2/3 shots
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
2062
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:47:00 -
[8227] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
So, you claim that you only have one fit with a flaylock.
You only got one kill with the thing. (Minus a few stealth distance kills)
And you are telling me, a person who has used this as a primary side for the past two months that the damage on the flaylock is borderline OP.
Do see what I am trying to say?
I only got one kill with it, because I suck at using it. I dont adjust to the travel time well. Meanwhile, there are folks such as (yourself?) who can reliably hit with the thing. The test of OPness is how the weapon does, with areasonably skilled user. You dont judge how powerful a Duvolle AR is, by dropping it in the hands of an Academy merc. (Gee, they died just as fast. Guess it isnt a particularly good weapon...) Or do you claim that you like using it, but you dont land many shots on target with it either? And that no-one else can, even when they've been using it for a long time? Seems like I can recall reading a few posts by people to the contrary on that.
:o
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Supra Advyn
Nos Nothi
16
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:50:00 -
[8228] - Quote
He likes to gab alot
aka Kahn
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
778
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:59:00 -
[8229] - Quote
perhaps I left a few gaps in my post, so to speak. Can we have some feedback, by multiple regular flaylock users, on whether the biggest issue they see with the weapon is either,
"I keep hitting my target, but I cant take them out before needing to reload. I die on reload
or
"I only hit my target 1 or two times out of 3.. so when I do, i want it to be a 1-shot kill"
or
... . something else?
My point being, if someone is skilled enough to hit their enemy reliably, then increasing clip size will help almost as much increasing per-bullet damage.
It certainly helped me, using scrambler pistol. On low skill levels, I died a lot using it. Once I skilled up and got a bigger clip, I won a lot more of the head-to-head confrontations.
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2172
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:59:00 -
[8230] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
So, you claim that you only have one fit with a flaylock.
You only got one kill with the thing. (Minus a few stealth distance kills)
And you are telling me, a person who has used this as a primary side for the past two months that the damage on the flaylock is borderline OP.
Do see what I am trying to say?
I only got one kill with it, because I suck at using it. I dont adjust to the travel time well. Meanwhile, there are folks such as (yourself?) who can reliably hit with the thing. The test of OPness is how the weapon does, with areasonably skilled user. You dont judge how powerful a Duvolle AR is, by dropping it in the hands of an Academy merc. (Gee, they died just as fast. Guess it isnt a particularly good weapon...) Or do you claim that you like using it, but you dont land many shots on target with it either? And that no-one else can, even when they've been using it for a long time? Seems like I can recall reading a few posts by people to the contrary on that.
I want a damage buff for a very simple reason.
I shouldn't be using a full clip to kill every target I see.
Tanked Proto suits require two clips to kill, even with direct shots. It doesn't deserve to be called a sidearm.
SMG can take down a target in one clip
ScP can take down a target in one clip.
Knives can take down a target in one shot ffs.
Flaylock can land 3 full direct shots and have targets go "What?" and have time to turn around. Thank god it has a good reload speed.
If you give it a bigger clip to counter this, you do nothing but cater to people who refuse to learn how to use a skill shot weapon.
Lets keep it hard to use, but reward it's good use. I want to deal 431 damage to armor with a direct shot. It's a freaking missle hitting you in the chest with no shields. That thing should hit you so hard it's not even funny.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
197
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:04:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:I think the Amarr scout should be 5% shinier with every level. I would take this as well. I love my shinys and when ur suit is destroy a fucink firework
QQ king kobrah QQ
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
2065
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:08:00 -
[8232] - Quote
Fine. I am going back to the assertion that it should be locus nade damage, no other changes.
I used to take out tanks with a core flaylock. It would be 1 to 2 flux nades, and then 2-3 clips of core flaying. if it didn't kill the tank, it definitely chased it off. And that is something we all could agree on I think. Tanks need more counters.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2173
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:09:00 -
[8233] - Quote
They really need a way to save posts.
I'm tearing through the search trying to find the post I made on how to fix the flaylock, but I can't seem to find it :(
I had lots of good data in that post.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5792
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:11:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:They really need a way to save posts.
I'm tearing through the search trying to find the post I made on how to fix the flaylock, but I can't seem to find it :(
I had lots of good data in that post. Click the number in the top left of your posts. Bookmark.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2173
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:11:00 -
[8235] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:They really need a way to save posts.
I'm tearing through the search trying to find the post I made on how to fix the flaylock, but I can't seem to find it :(
I had lots of good data in that post. Click the number in the top left of your posts. Bookmark.
Thanks! Though a forum friendly version would be nice!
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1516
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:15:00 -
[8236] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
So, you claim that you only have one fit with a flaylock.
You only got one kill with the thing. (Minus a few stealth distance kills)
And you are telling me, a person who has used this as a primary side for the past two months that the damage on the flaylock is borderline OP.
Do see what I am trying to say?
I only got one kill with it, because I suck at using it. I dont adjust to the travel time well. Meanwhile, there are folks such as (yourself?) who can reliably hit with the thing. The test of OPness is how the weapon does, with areasonably skilled user. You dont judge how powerful a Duvolle AR is, by dropping it in the hands of an Academy merc. (Gee, they died just as fast. Guess it isnt a particularly good weapon...) Or do you claim that you like using it, but you dont land many shots on target with it either? And that no-one else can, even when they've been using it for a long time? Seems like I can recall reading a few posts by people to the contrary on that. I want a damage buff for a very simple reason. I shouldn't be using a full clip to kill every target I see. Tanked Proto suits require two clips to kill, even with direct shots. It doesn't deserve to be called a sidearm. SMG can take down a target in one clip ScP can take down a target in one clip. Knives can take down a target in one shot ffs. Flaylock can land 3 full direct shots and have targets go "What?" and have time to turn around. Thank god it has a good reload speed. If you give it a bigger clip to counter this, you do nothing but cater to people who refuse to learn how to use a skill shot weapon. Lets keep it hard to use, but reward it's good use. I want to deal 431 damage to armor with a direct shot. It's a freaking missle hitting you in the chest with no shields. That thing should hit you so hard it's not even funny. Also a regular FL user here (and I have a dual wield FL fitGǪ but it's more for lol effect as the reload is not terrible) I got good with pistols which helped with FL (though they are different and you have to really adjust to how they work, it helps learning to land the shots. Essentially I agree with what Ghost is saying, it matches pretty well with my experience as well. Splash damage is fine, upping that is not really necessary Direct damage should be boosted for the reasons Ghost has said, but also raises effectiveness as a vehicle deterrent.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
585
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:26:00 -
[8237] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Spademan wrote:Some fair points, but everything is mentioning the Scrabler pistol, why not pistols in general? Because everyone is trying to emphasize Racial Fits. We want more reason's to run our racial weapons on our racial suits. Excellent move RP-wise.
But why try to force a suit to always fit a single item?
Same with the NK damage boost, it ends up with a situation where you're gimping your suit if you leave out just one item. Same reason I wasn't and still not too sure about cloaks and the fitting reduction bonus for scouts. Sure, it's nice, but what if I want to run 2 different equipment?
But alas, I'm not game designer, and if I were I'd probably run it into ground
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
585
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:34:00 -
[8238] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:perhaps I left a few gaps in my post, so to speak. Can we have some feedback, by multiple regular flaylock users, on whether the biggest issue they see with the weapon is either,
"I keep hitting my target, but I cant take them out before needing to reload. I die on reload
or
"I only hit my target 1 or two times out of 3.. so when I do, i want it to be a 1-shot kill"
or
... . something else?
My point being, if someone is skilled enough to hit their enemy reliably, then increasing clip size will help almost as much increasing per-bullet damage.
It certainly helped me, using scrambler pistol. On low skill levels, I died a lot using it. Once I skilled up and got a bigger clip, I won a lot more of the head-to-head confrontations.
I've used it since the thing came out, and I'm confident in saying that I'm at least medicore with it, and personally, I think it's in a pretty good place. Well capable of killing without being OP.
Having said that, i typically use it as a finisher after breaching shields with a flux or Scrambler Rifle.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
914
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:37:00 -
[8239] - Quote
@ ScP Buffs as Racial Bonus The ScP user may end up losing ground in the long run, should a buff today lead to a nerf tomorrow. Very dangerous proposal, IMO. The weapon is incredibly effective as is. |
Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5800
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:05:00 -
[8240] - Quote
Scout Registry wrote:@ ScP Buffs as Racial Bonus The ScP user may end up losing ground in the long run, should a buff today lead to a nerf tomorrow. Very dangerous proposal, IMO. The weapon is incredibly effective as is. Perhaps incredibly effective currently, but there is no way to truly how all that will change with new weapon stats, new weapons in general, and increased TTK.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
12454
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:56:00 -
[8241] - Quote
Ruthless Lee wrote:While I chuckle at the thought of a buff to scrambler pistols for Amarr scouts ... it would only lead to a nerf, I'm afraid. They're pretty wicked as-is, fellas! It's a little different with knives ... you can't drop somebody in one shot at 30 meters with those. (Well, maybe musturd and a few others can...) Anyway ... I say this as a guy who loves his pistols. I think it'd be a bad idea, unless there's a balance pass of some sort coming up. And then all this is out the window...
I have to agree I am one heck of a scrambler pistol user. Give me dual wielding (and whoever came up with akimbo as a descriptor is misleading considering its to put your hands or knuckles on your hips and point your elbows outwards usually in discontent.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Appia Nappia
Nos Nothi
57
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:57:00 -
[8242] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Scout Registry wrote:@ ScP Buffs as Racial Bonus The ScP user may end up losing ground in the long run, should a buff today lead to a nerf tomorrow. Very dangerous proposal, IMO. The weapon is incredibly effective as is. Perhaps incredibly effective currently, but there is no way to truly how all that will change with new weapon stats, new weapons in general, and increased TTK.
MORE AMMO FOR LASER WEAPONS!
I love the Viziam/Carthum ScP I win in 1v1s with people using the 4 rifles frequently. THough a lot has to do with the fact I actually know how to aim and get headshot while aiming down sights- while ADS is something unheard of in the Assault Community
Secretly Appa Vibbia
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
920
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:57:00 -
[8243] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Scout Registry wrote:@ ScP Buffs as Racial Bonus The ScP user may end up losing ground in the long run, should a buff today lead to a nerf tomorrow. Very dangerous proposal, IMO. The weapon is incredibly effective as is. Perhaps incredibly effective currently, but there is no way to truly how all that will change with new weapon stats, new weapons in general, and increased TTK. Exactly what response do you expect, Aero?
1) Buff it, 'cause we don't know. 2) Don't buff it, 'cause we don't know. 3) Don't not buff it, 'cause we don't know.
Apart from wasting our time, what do you want from us here, anyway? We don't know you as anything other than an outsider.
Yet here you are, breathes away from our Winters' End ... to do what exactly? To sh*t in our home with circular reasoning and walls of text?
Borrow Ghost. Borrow Quil. And waste time elsewhere. If you want something from us, spit it out. Don't linger. |
Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
806
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:59:00 -
[8244] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Scout Registry wrote:@ ScP Buffs as Racial Bonus The ScP user may end up losing ground in the long run, should a buff today lead to a nerf tomorrow. Very dangerous proposal, IMO. The weapon is incredibly effective as is. Perhaps incredibly effective currently, but there is no way to truly how all that will change with new weapon stats, new weapons in general, and increased TTK.
MORE AMMO FOR LASER WEAPONS!
I love the Viziam/Carthum ScP I win in 1v1s with people using the 4 rifles frequently. THough a lot has to do with the fact I actually know how to aim and get headshot while aiming down sights- while ADS is something unheard of in the Assault Community
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
[email protected]
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
12456
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:14:00 -
[8245] - Quote
Appia Vibbia wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Scout Registry wrote:@ ScP Buffs as Racial Bonus The ScP user may end up losing ground in the long run, should a buff today lead to a nerf tomorrow. Very dangerous proposal, IMO. The weapon is incredibly effective as is. Perhaps incredibly effective currently, but there is no way to truly how all that will change with new weapon stats, new weapons in general, and increased TTK. MORE AMMO FOR LASER WEAPONS! I love the Viziam/Carthum ScP I win in 1v1s with people using the 4 rifles frequently. THough a lot has to do with the fact I actually know how to aim and get headshot while aiming down sights- while ADS is something unheard of in the Assault Community
How about a variant that gets ammo by consuming your stamina?
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
6051
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:23:00 -
[8246] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Scout Registry wrote:@ ScP Buffs as Racial Bonus The ScP user may end up losing ground in the long run, should a buff today lead to a nerf tomorrow. Very dangerous proposal, IMO. The weapon is incredibly effective as is. Perhaps incredibly effective currently, but there is no way to truly how all that will change with new weapon stats, new weapons in general, and increased TTK. MORE AMMO FOR LASER WEAPONS! I love the Viziam/Carthum ScP I win in 1v1s with people using the 4 rifles frequently. THough a lot has to do with the fact I actually know how to aim and get headshot while aiming down sights- while ADS is something unheard of in the Assault Community How about a variant that gets ammo by consuming your stamina? I don't know how into renewable energy the Amarr are?
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1521
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Scout Registry wrote:@ ScP Buffs as Racial Bonus The ScP user may end up losing ground in the long run, should a buff today lead to a nerf tomorrow. Very dangerous proposal, IMO. The weapon is incredibly effective as is. Perhaps incredibly effective currently, but there is no way to truly how all that will change with new weapon stats, new weapons in general, and increased TTK. MORE AMMO FOR LASER WEAPONS! I love the Viziam/Carthum ScP I win in 1v1s with people using the 4 rifles frequently. THough a lot has to do with the fact I actually know how to aim and get headshot while aiming down sights- while ADS is something unheard of in the Assault Community How about a variant that gets ammo by consuming your stamina? I don't know how into renewable energy the Amarr are? Amarr = Space Hippies
1. into altering consciousness with drugs, man 2. just want everybody to get along , man 3. collectivists, man 4. Just trying to share their love, man
Renewable energy would seal the deal
Done
Make it happen
KRRROOOOOOM
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
6054
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:35:00 -
[8248] - Quote
Llast 326 wrote:Amarr = Space Hippies 1. into altering consciousness with drugs, man 2. just want everybody to get along , man 3. collectivists, man 4. Just trying to share their love, man Renewable energy would seal the deal Done Make it happen
Oh Christ never say that again....you'll make me realise the Gallente are the super oppressive society and I will have to subject myself to dirty disgusting freedom to get in there.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1521
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Amarr = Space Hippies 1. into altering consciousness with drugs, man 2. just want everybody to get along , man 3. collectivists, man 4. Just trying to share their love, man Renewable energy would seal the deal Done Make it happen Oh Christ never say that again....you'll make me realise the Gallente are the super oppressive society and I will have to subject myself to dirty disgusting freedom to get in there. It also explains FW It's populated with Draft Dodgers
KRRROOOOOOM
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2181
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Posted - 2014.01.22 02:05:00 -
[8250] - Quote
Scout Registry wrote:Otherwise, borrow Ghost and take your "debate" elsewhere.
What happened in the last 5 hours?
I leave for classes, and all of the sudden everyone is making me a Liason!
Not that I'm against it, I just find it funny that this happened so instantaneously.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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