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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

So, I made Flako a bit mad today, and I want some feedback on this.

In short, I was playing against Flako, a buddy of his from uptown, and Nyra Volki. So, we go all Scout out, and have our knives out. However, we also all have our primaries ready to go because of all the Med Frames (I had my ACR, Flako had an AR I think and I think Nyra went SMG).

Anyways, I pretty much went on tear that round. I had like 16-20 Knife kills that round, not excluding my ACR which was used whenever another scout approached me with something other than a knife, and for any poor red dots.

So, I have a great round, and shoot a GG to Flako and Nyra. I was surprised at the hate I got back from this. Now, I can understand someone getting mad about GG when the game wasn't even close at all. However, the game was actually REALLY close, and came down to almost 50 clones before we won (on our side) compared to their 30.

But that wasn't why he was angry. Apparently, I was a little B**** for not taking them on head on. I knifed Flako twice that match, and both times was when I snuck up and stabbed him while he was letting some poor fool have a taste of his AR.

Yes, you heard me. I did not rush in there and take them on head on. Apparently that is what "Real Nova Knifers" do.

So, I shoot back in the chat channel a very simple question. "WHY THE HELL WOULD I FIGHT YOU HEAD ON?"

If flanking and knowing what fights I should run away from makes me a b****, then I will gladly stay one. I just have no idea why someone would get so mad at refusing to fight a battle where I would be at a clear disadvantage. That's just not smart tactics.

TL;DR
Flako called me a b**** for refusing to fight his squad head on. I reply asking why the hell I should fight people head on in a scout suit. Am I a b****? Or is Flako just angry at getting knifed two or three times in a match. Help me out here, cause I feel like I have done nothing wrong here.

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Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1249	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:12:00 - [7591] - Quote So if I wanted to create an AV suit with swarms (assuming they get buffed into usefulness) and a magsec, which scout do you think would be the best for AV? I'm thinking the Amarr at this point so I can have 2x damage mods and use 2 or 3 lows for kincats which when combined with their bonus (if it gets a buff) would make an incredibly mobile scout. Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 687	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:19:00 - [7592] - Quote don;t forget the base hack speed bonus. 5% faster on Gallente, Caldari and Amarr, 10% faster on Minmatar. So you use a Republic or Neo M-1 Scout you'll hack faster than an other suits. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected]
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 295	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:28:00 - [7593] - Quote So I woke up this AM and checked out the new suit stats... Is this really happening..?
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 666	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:30:00 - [7594] - Quote Here I was thinking its going to be a sleepy Friday Gallente Scout looks beastly. Was hoping for a better bonus than the Nova but all in all we got alot of stuff. I can leave the call for Minmatar equality for a few months down the line if we are the lesser of the scouts. This is a good day - rejoice and keep the theory crafting and advice going. - Best part of the registry. In your blind spot No Quid Pro Quo Line in the Sand
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1249	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:32:00 - [7595] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Q: But does anyone else feel like these are too good? It looks too OP to me tbh lol. - Marauder A: Seems overpowered at first glance; though we should see it in battle before passing judgement. We can't forget that assaults are getting bonuses to help them assault (though we aren't sure what those bonuses are) and that the heavies are going to be monsters now. And there is still that Gal Logi bonus to worry about. Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter
Scout Registry 607	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:39:00 - [7596] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Q: But does anyone else feel like these are too good? It looks too OP to me tbh lol. - Marauder A: Seems overpowered at first glance; though we should see it in battle before passing judgement. We can't forget that assaults are getting bonuses to help them assault (though we aren't sure what those bonuses are) and the heavies are going to be monsters now. And there is still that Gal Logi bonus to worry about. Agreed. "Over Powered" implies a benchmark. At this time, we have no benchmark. This is why I say we should see it in battle first ... so we can measure these changes against the changes to other suits and account for any mechanical tweaks / engine improvements (which always seem to slap us around). @ CPM, Remnant, Wolfman ... Thank You
Scout Registry 607	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:45:00 - [7597] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber actively solicited our input and appears to have delivered. Furthermore, he has embraced the tools of our trade and lived to tell his tale. For his efforts and consideration, I propose we declare him Honorary Scout. All in Favor? @ CPM, Remnant, Wolfman ... Thank You
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 295	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:53:00 - [7598] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: So, I made Flako a bit mad today, and I want some feedback on this. In short, I was playing against Flako, a buddy of his from uptown, and Nyra Volki. So, we go all Scout out, and have our knives out. However, we also all have our primaries ready to go because of all the Med Frames (I had my ACR, Flako had an AR I think and I think Nyra went SMG). Anyways, I pretty much went on tear that round. I had like 16-20 Knife kills that round, not excluding my ACR which was used whenever another scout approached me with something other than a knife, and for any poor red dots. So, I have a great round, and shoot a GG to Flako and Nyra. I was surprised at the hate I got back from this. Now, I can understand someone getting mad about GG when the game wasn't even close at all. However, the game was actually REALLY close, and came down to almost 50 clones before we won (on our side) compared to their 30. But that wasn't why he was angry. Apparently, I was a little B** for not taking them on head on. I knifed Flako twice that match, and both times was when I snuck up and stabbed him while he was letting some poor fool have a taste of his AR. Yes, you heard me. I did not rush in there and take them on head on. Apparently that is what "Real Nova Knifers" do. So, I shoot back in the chat channel a very simple question. "WHY THE HELL WOULD I FIGHT YOU HEAD ON?" If flanking and knowing what fights I should run away from makes me a b, then I will gladly stay one. I just have no idea why someone would get so mad at refusing to fight a battle where I would be at a clear disadvantage. That's just not smart tactics. TL;DR Flako called me a b for refusing to fight his squad head on. I reply asking why the hell I should fight people head on in a scout suit. Am I a b**? Or is Flako just angry at getting knifed two or three times in a match. Help me out here, cause I feel like I have done nothing wrong here. Yeah, I saw his little rampage in chat yesterday ...
Lucifalic Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 211	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:56:00 - [7599] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread behold! Iron Wolf Saber weighed our pleas, solicited our input, intervened on our behalf and appears to have delivered. Furthermore, he has embraced the tools of our trade and lived to tell his tale, no doubt now addicted to Knives. For his efforts and consideration, I propose we declare him Honorary Scout. All in Favor? Aye. We will hang. Knife on the wall for him. Amd if he betrays us he can know some scoundrel will stick it in ee's neck. ;)
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1249	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:57:00 - [7600] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: All in Favor? If he wants it, sure. But he is an omni-soldier so technically he already is a scout.... and an assault and a logi and a heavy and so on. Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter

Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 296	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:00:00 - [7601] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Q: But does anyone else feel like these are too good? It looks too OP to me tbh lol. - Marauder A: Seems overpowered at first glance; though we should see it in battle before passing judgement. We can't forget that assaults are getting bonuses to help them assault (though we aren't sure what those bonuses are) and the heavies are going to be monsters now. And there is still that Gal Logi bonus to worry about. Agreed. "Over Powered" implies a benchmark. At this time, we have no benchmark. This is why I say we should see it in battle first ... so we can measure these changes against the changes to other suits and account for any mechanical tweaks / engine improvements (which always seem to slap us around). Yeah, I look at these stats and sorta ... lose my mind. But ... it's all proportionate. Those heavies are going to be really, really nasty when 1.8 drops, so I don't think we can worry about being OP til we see how all of this fits together. Heck, some guys are already OP in the current scout suits... That said ... I really like these proposed changes.
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 296	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:05:00 - [7602] - Quote mollerz wrote: 2EQ slots! Cloak + RE Nano + RE Cloak + Nano Cloak + Uplink RE + Uplink lots of room for different strategies now Yes. This is honestly all I ever really wanted. The rest is gravy, as far as I'm concerned... Though all of my fits will basically be RE+UL/Cloak. I just hate having to leave the shop without my RE's
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 667	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:07:00 - [7603] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread behold! Iron Wolf Saber weighed our pleas, solicited our input, intervened on our behalf and appears to have delivered. Furthermore, he has embraced the tools of our trade and lived to tell his tale, no doubt now addicted to Knives. For his efforts and consideration, I propose we declare him Honorary Scout. All in Favor? Friend of the Registry In your blind spot CPM, Remnant, Wolfman - Respect ~
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1399	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:10:00 - [7604] - Quote Marad''er wrote: YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE SCOUT WILL BE BACK! They added in an extra mod slot AND equipment slot! WOOTWOOT! BETTER NERF MARAUDER THOUGH CUZ BE GUNNA BE OUT PIMPIN IN THAT AMARR SCOUT PROTO DAY 1 YEEYYEEEA <3 u CCP! This is looking good I talked with CCP about Nerfing you, they said "In order to preserve game balance Marauder will not be able to download the update, while still able to play it will be with 1.7 values. We believe this will promote fair gameplay" KRRROOOOOOM
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 298	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:12:00 - [7605] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: So guys... now that we're not going to be mega gimped... What are we going to have to ***** about now? Dealing with all the "Scouts are OP" threads that will pop up within a day or two of 1.8's release...
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 224	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:33:00 - [7606] - Quote "Scout mk.0 (base stat comparison) NERFS: [None] BUFFS: +1, Low Slot +1, Equipment Slot +2, PG +136, CPU -3, Shield Depleted Recharge Delay +4, Scan Distance -10, Scan Profile +10, Max Stamina +17, Stamina Recharge Rate +40, Melee Damage +10%, Hacking Speed Bonus @ CPM, Remnant, Wolfman ... Thank You"..... wow. YES> thank you. I am overwhelmed. And.... Thanks to all the scout Vets that kept the flag raised all this time, A fight worth fighting for. This is such good welcome news. " No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:36:00 - [7607] - Quote So far during this event, I've had a number of honorless scouts kill me. While approaching each other, they pull knives, so I pull mine out. These motherless dogs then pull out their rifle and kill me. What is an honorable response to getting gunned down after accepting knife fights?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1400	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:39:00 - [7608] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Damn Amarr Scout sounds perhaps too good. 2 H 4 L at prototype, 170 armor 60 shield, only 0.4 m/s slower than the Minmatar scout . . The Matari scout does have 3 lows to play with now, don't know about yall but I'll fill it with biotics..... Red, Green, Codebreaker for me KRRROOOOOOM
Scout Registry 610	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:40:00 - [7609] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: So far during this event, I've had a number of honorless scouts kill me. While approaching each other, they pull knives, so I pull mine out. These motherless dogs then pull out their rifle and kill me. What is an honorable response to getting gunned down after accepting knife fights? These sound like the actions of a Tourist. @ CPM, Remnant, Wolfman ... Thank You
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 300	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:41:00 - [7610] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: So far during this event, I've had a number of honorless scouts kill me. While approaching each other, they pull knives, so I pull mine out. These motherless dogs then pull out their rifle and kill me. What is an honorable response to getting gunned down after accepting knife fights? Yeah, I've had it happen a couple of times, too. Once, I was lucky enough that when the guy switched to his gun, I was already close enough to end him with my knives... The other time? I wasn't so lucky... I got him with an RE before the match was over, but still ... if you carry the knives, you should know the code.

Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 300	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:42:00 - [7611] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Damn Amarr Scout sounds perhaps too good. 2 H 4 L at prototype, 170 armor 60 shield, only 0.4 m/s slower than the Minmatar scout . . The Matari scout does have 3 lows to play with now, don't know about yall but I'll fill it with biotics..... Red, Green, Codebreaker for me I'm thinking the same thing.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 668	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:46:00 - [7612] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Damn Amarr Scout sounds perhaps too good. 2 H 4 L at prototype, 170 armor 60 shield, only 0.4 m/s slower than the Minmatar scout . . The Matari scout does have 3 lows to play with now, don't know about yall but I'll fill it with biotics..... Red, Green, Codebreaker for me Red, Red, Green Red, Green, Ferro / Reactive Red, Green, Range / Damp How many times I will actually do this? - Probably only in FW with my republic fit. In your blind spot CPM, Remnant, Wolfman - Respect ~
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 669	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:58:00 - [7613] - Quote Ruthless Lee wrote: DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: So far during this event, I've had a number of honorless scouts kill me. While approaching each other, they pull knives, so I pull mine out. These motherless dogs then pull out their rifle and kill me. What is an honorable response to getting gunned down after accepting knife fights? Yeah, I've had it happen a couple of times, too. Once, I was lucky enough that when the guy switched to his gun, I was already close enough to end him with my knives... The other time? I wasn't so lucky... I got him with an RE before the match was over, but still ... if you carry the knives, you should know the code. I am too scared to knife fight. I usually only knife unsuspecting foes and many times I just use my CR if I think they are about to move. Its why if we get a respec I will only go to Lv3 I never go knife to gun before an engagement though I have knifed med / heavies and then finished them off with my rifle. A man must have a code In your blind spot CPM, Remnant, Wolfman - Respect ~
Lucifalic Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 212	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:05:00 - [7614] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: So far during this event, I've had a number of honorless scouts kill me. While approaching each other, they pull knives, so I pull mine out. These motherless dogs then pull out their rifle and kill me. What is an honorable response to getting gunned down after accepting knife fights? 3 times in one game I pull out my knives to weeded of outer heaven. He switches and fires a clip of his flaylock.... So. I switch to combat rifle... Cr>fl. He Did sneak knife me once but he ate mine as well. Neo m proto scout. Tourist??
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 191	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:06:00 - [7615] - Quote **** the Minmatar Assault, I want ALL THE SCOUT SUITS! I can't decide which ones to skill into first, they all have something that interests me. I should have enough SP for two at full PRO, but it will be a tough decision.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2004	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:10:00 - [7616] - Quote OH. MY. GOD. My MK.0. It's. It's beautiful. I'M IN LOVE! Seriously, that thing will be everything I want it to be now! Start posting theoretical builds now people! Winmatar MK.0 Six Kin ACR Proto Knives 2x Complex Shield 1x Complex L Damage Mod 2x Complex Kincat 1x Complex Stamina 1x Uber Cloak 1x F/45 RE OR MK.0 Bruiser Six Kin ACR Core Flaylock 2x Complex Shield 1x Complex Mybofibril (260 melee damage) 3x Complex Kincat (OMFG I'M GONNA BE SOOO FAST) Whatever equipment I can fit on here, cause 3 Kincats will be hell on PG Also: IWS is an Honorary Scout in my book. Thanks to both you and Remnant for these changes. You have made me a very happy Ghost Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 363	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:12:00 - [7617] - Quote Haerr wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread behold! Wow just wow, CCP didn't nerf the scouts again... Scouts got their 'Scan Profile' nerfed from 33.75 dB -> 35.00 dB ... Change: 1.25 dB Gallente got their 'Scan Profile' buffed from 33.75 dB -> 26.25 dB ... Change: 7.5 dB Scouts got their 'Scan Range' buffed from 16 m -> 20 m ... Change: 4 m Gallente got their 'Scan Range' buffed from 24m -> 25m ... Change: 1m As a Gallente Scout I am very happy! I got a buff to 'Scan Profile' I got a buff to 'Scan Range' +1 High/Low (Depending on tier) +1 Equipment slot +3 armor repair/ sec builtin I made a new 'Scan Precision' vs 'Scan Profile' chart on google docs! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdFV1T1VuSXVneThMcnhUd1FhV2xHY2c&usp=sharing It has Active Scanner (+ the new gallente logi bonus) and Caldari scouts as scanners pitted against all the different Scout suits, enjoy! :) Edit: All skills are assumed to be at level 5 in the chart. Excellent, thanks! ZEN 514
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2004	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:12:00 - [7618] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Damn Amarr Scout sounds perhaps too good. 2 H 4 L at prototype, 170 armor 60 shield, only 0.4 m/s slower than the Minmatar scout . . The Matari scout does have 3 lows to play with now, don't know about yall but I'll fill it with biotics..... Red, Green, Codebreaker for me Red, Red, Green Red, Green, Ferro / Reactive Red, Green, Range / Damp How many times I will actually do this? - Probably only in FW with my republic fit. To heck with that! RED RED RED ALL THE WAY. IS THAT THE FLASH? OR DID THAT MINMATAR SCOUT JUST BREAK THE SOUND BARRIER? Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1251	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:13:00 - [7619] - Quote Planned fittings (for Cal scout): Note: haven't actually checked if I will have enough cpu/pg to fit these All fits with Rail rifle Magsec or Bolt Pistol Passive Hunter: 4x cmp shield extenders (3x for ADV) 2x cmp range extenders Scout Hunter: 2x cmp shield extenders (1x for ADV) 2x cmp precision enhancers 2x range extenders Never-ending shields: 3x cmp shield extenders 1x cmp shield regenerator 2x enh shield regulator Logi Scout (scout w/ rep tool): 4x cmp shield extenders 1x cmp plate 1x enh armor repairer F***ing gal logis: 4x cmp shield extenders 1x cmp damp 1x enh damp 1.8 can't get here soon enough.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1400	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:14:00 - [7620] - Quote Well, I would say that we are buffed, and functional with or without Cloak. This is what I wanted. KRRROOOOOOM



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