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Bojo The Mighty wrote:

The Scout & The Breach Mass Driver

Alright, so if you thought that the scout suit was limited in abilities, think again. Meet the Breach Mass Driver Scout. The Breach Mass Driver is the single hardest weapon to master. I am by no means a master at it, but apparently the fact I even use it makes me more qualified than the average bear.

Basically the role that is supported by this combo is so hard to adjust to. You have to get in close quarters and engage in fights that are longer than if you would use a shotgun. However there is definitely a bang to the Breach MD that sort of creates a fear factor. In example, on Manus Peak, on the raised platform just above B with the Supply depot, a substantial squad was coming up the walkways to ambush my smaller squad. I was testing the Breach MD at the time and found the conditions very favorable. There was barely any room on the walkway to strafe from side to side, and they were all cramped together. In 3 or 4 shots I removed a heavy and an assault and the others began retreating down to avoid a similar fate.

The Breach MD requires direct hits so you must recreate the underlined scenario. So you will find yourself camping around doorways, catwalks, and other small enclosed paths. The best role the Breach MD can do is the Heavy Hunter. they are slow and much bigger targets. They would honestly try fighting you off rather than running, an underestimation of the scout + Mass Driver. The mental attitude of a heavy would approach you like you had a normal MD, that fighting is better than running. Thus they'll be much less mobile and easier targets. The Breach Mass Driver has such high damage that it is very effective against heavies.

Hope that helped.

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Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 298	Posted - 2013.07.30 10:17:00 - [721] - Quote Nyra Volki wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Nyra Volki wrote: Regristing last i post i forgot to put in my full stats I Run proto gallente scout with a proto smg have 7888 kills to 7167 deaths Are you running in proto gear in pub matches? You do know that we are the cool ones don-¦t you? Why are you trying to make us look bad dude? don't really understand what your talking about I-¦ll ask you again.. Are you running around in proto gear in pub matches?
Nyra Volki KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 17	Posted - 2013.07.30 10:20:00 - [722] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Nyra Volki wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Nyra Volki wrote: Regristing last i post i forgot to put in my full stats I Run proto gallente scout with a proto smg have 7888 kills to 7167 deaths Are you running in proto gear in pub matches? You do know that we are the cool ones don-¦t you? Why are you trying to make us look bad dude? don't really understand what your talking about I-¦ll ask you again.. Are you running around in proto gear in pub matches? why would it matter? also no mostly run my adv or basic
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood 815	Posted - 2013.07.30 10:22:00 - [723] - Quote Kinda torn between assault mass drivers and the 'normal' mass driver to use on my minja anyone have experience in this combo?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 446	Posted - 2013.07.30 12:24:00 - [724] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Kinda torn between assault mass drivers and the 'normal' mass driver to use on my minja anyone have experience in this combo? Thought you were our resident MD expert! I believe, First Prophet runs MD them as well. I hear assault variants are less likely to blow up the user .
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 446	Posted - 2013.07.30 12:32:00 - [725] - Quote Nyra Volki wrote: why would it matter? also no mostly run my adv or basic Welcome, Nyra. I'll add you to the board momentarily. Join in-game channel "Scouts United" to squad up or chat with your Scoutly brothers. o7 - Shotty GoBang
Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 28	Posted - 2013.07.30 12:33:00 - [726] - Quote God I hate the md. Too high rof. Destroys us scouts entirely too fast.... Oh wait everything does
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 446	Posted - 2013.07.30 12:42:00 - [727] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Are you running around in proto gear in pub matches? I'm not sure where this line of questioning is coming from. For the record, we don't mandate what folks wear when collecting AR-514 tears. I alternate between BPO, Adv, and Pro Gal-scout in pubs. Its good a way to test the limits of your builds. - Shotty
Nyra Volki KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 17	Posted - 2013.07.30 12:44:00 - [728] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: God I hate the md. Too high rof. Destroys us scouts entirely too fast.... Oh wait everything does Agreed
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood 816	Posted - 2013.07.30 12:51:00 - [729] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Kinda torn between assault mass drivers and the 'normal' mass driver to use on my minja anyone have experience in this combo? Thought you were our resident MD expert! I believe, First Prophet runs MD them as well. I hear assault variants are less likely to blow up the user . I am the mass driver expert thank you very much Simply asking for another opinion. P.S: you're more likely to blow yourself up with the assault variants
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 446	Posted - 2013.07.30 13:16:00 - [730] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: This characters a scout Welcome aboard, Mossellia. You will be added momentarily. o7

Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 29	Posted - 2013.07.30 13:19:00 - [731] - Quote So contact Nade and flaylock nerf will help us. Do u think there will be any ninja nerf/buffs or stated changes in 1.3 that will help/hurt our scoutly cause
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 739	Posted - 2013.07.30 13:27:00 - [732] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Kinda torn between assault mass drivers and the 'normal' mass driver to use on my minja anyone have experience in this combo? Thought you were our resident MD expert! I believe, First Prophet runs MD them as well. I hear assault variants are less likely to blow up the user . I sure do! I prefer the EXO over the assault variants, more splash damage, a little less likely to suicide in shorter ranges. The assault has its moments though. Oh and confirming Sinboto as the MD expert.
Travi Zyg G I A N T EoN. 86	Posted - 2013.07.30 13:53:00 - [733] - Quote I should probably join the scouts united channel huh? just realized its not in my list.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 446	Posted - 2013.07.30 13:54:00 - [734] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: So contact Nade and flaylock nerf will help us. Do u think there will be any ninja nerf/buffs or stated changes in 1.3 that will help/hurt our scoutly cause No stated changes other than the ones you've identified. If we get buffed in 1.3, it'd have to be via Hotfix which would only be applied to our base statistics. I'd say this is unlikely.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 448	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:02:00 - [735] - Quote July 30th, 14:00 - Killboard Updated (See Pages 1) Accolades Arbiter 2203 has progessed to Tier IV, having collected his 10,000th tear. OZAROW has progessed to Tier III, having collected his 5,000th tear. KING CHECKMATE has progessed to Tier III, having collected his 5,000th tear. Grief PK has progessed to Tier III, having collected his 5,000th tear. Lylith Groff has progessed to Tier III, having collected his 5,000th tear. Onesimus Tarsus has progessed to Tier I, having collected his 1,250th tear. Brothers Found Tier IV: Im-Just To-Fat, Fusion Commander Tier III: Some Alaskan, Nyra Volki Tier II: Mossellia Delt Brothers Lost Haerr (Tier IV) announced his departure from the Scoutly ranks. Killboard Changes Reset Delta Kills & Delta KDR to track community performance following the release of Uprising 1.3. Announcement Morathi III reports for real-life military duty this week, we wish him good luck and a safe return. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97637&find=unread Happy Hunting, Shotty GoBang
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1314	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:11:00 - [736] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Kinda torn between assault mass drivers and the 'normal' mass driver to use on my minja anyone have experience in this combo? Breach for the win. I'd go for normal, assault is for those who truly can not aim. Also, in any CQC the larger area-of-effect can be overwhelming; remember you are in a scout suit....
voidfaction Void of Faction 34	Posted - 2013.07.30 16:03:00 - [737] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Are you running around in proto gear in pub matches? I'm not sure where this line of questioning is coming from. For the record, we don't mandate what folks wear when collecting AR-514 tears. I alternate between BPO, Adv, and Pro Gal-scout in pubs. Its good a way to test the limits of your builds. - Shotty Whats it matter when even in public the guy in the milita assault is laughing at our choice in suits.
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 103	Posted - 2013.07.30 16:16:00 - [738] - Quote Does SG playstyle translate well to breach MD?
JieXi Bao muse.and.fury 7	Posted - 2013.07.30 16:18:00 - [739] - Quote I earned a little more respect from my corp yesterday after they tried scouts for a match. It didn't take them very long to go back their heavy and assault fits.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 448	Posted - 2013.07.30 17:05:00 - [740] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Does SG playstyle translate well to breach MD? I wondered the same and put a few levels into MD to test it out. Ran twenty or so ambush matches; found more differences than similarities. Optimal flanking routes differ. Optimal combat positions differ. Optimal combat distance differs. Optimal engagement vectors differ. Optimal engagement tactics differ. Optimal equipment differs. I find the SG best used in hit-and-run and surprise tactics. I find the MD better for posting up (preferably elevated) and waiting in ambush. SG users have better odds of remaining undetected but are more prone to retreat once spotted...always on the move. MD users have higher odds of pinning down hostiles and pressing a lengthy attack...likely better off holding ground and sticking with squadmates when on the move. Resident MD experts care to add/correct anything?

Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1314	Posted - 2013.07.30 17:26:00 - [741] - Quote The Scout & The Breach Mass Driver Alright, so if you thought that the scout suit was limited in abilities, think again. Meet the Breach Mass Driver Scout. The Breach Mass Driver is the single hardest weapon to master. I am by no means a master at it, but apparently the fact I even use it makes me more qualified than the average bear. Basically the role that is supported by this combo is so hard to adjust to. You have to get in close quarters and engage in fights that are longer than if you would use a shotgun. However there is definitely a bang to the Breach MD that sort of creates a fear factor. In example, on Manus Peak, on the raised platform just above B with the Supply depot, a substantial squad was coming up the walkways to ambush my smaller squad. I was testing the Breach MD at the time and found the conditions very favorable. There was barely any room on the walkway to strafe from side to side, and they were all cramped together. In 3 or 4 shots I removed a heavy and an assault and the others began retreating down to avoid a similar fate. The Breach MD requires direct hits so you must recreate the underlined scenario. So you will find yourself camping around doorways, catwalks, and other small enclosed paths. The best role the Breach MD can do is the Heavy Hunter. they are slow and much bigger targets. They would honestly try fighting you off rather than running, an underestimation of the scout + Mass Driver. The mental attitude of a heavy would approach you like you had a normal MD, that fighting is better than running. Thus they'll be much less mobile and easier targets. The Breach Mass Driver has such high damage that it is very effective against heavies. Hope that helped.
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 253	Posted - 2013.07.30 17:32:00 - [742] - Quote How is 1.3 treating everyone so far? At work so I can't play until tonight. Any stealth nerfs or buffs for the Scouts?
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 273	Posted - 2013.07.30 17:38:00 - [743] - Quote BARDAS wrote: How is 1.3 treating everyone so far? At work so I can't play until tonight. Any stealth nerfs or buffs for the Scouts? Played a couple games before work - felt the same.
Ghost Kaisar Intrepidus XI EoN. 201	Posted - 2013.07.30 18:06:00 - [744] - Quote So, sombody in another thread was wondering about dual wielding. Im sure most of us would love to dual wield SMG's, but then I had a thought. If we could dual wield any sidearm, WTF would happen if we dual wielded knives? http://youtu.be/S5axljT-vtg?t=1m40s This?
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 103	Posted - 2013.07.30 18:20:00 - [745] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: The Scout & The Breach Mass Driver Alright, so if you thought that the scout suit was limited in abilities, think again. Meet the Breach Mass Driver Scout. The Breach Mass Driver is the single hardest weapon to master. I am by no means a master at it, but apparently the fact I even use it makes me more qualified than the average bear. Basically the role that is supported by this combo is so hard to adjust to. You have to get in close quarters and engage in fights that are longer than if you would use a shotgun. However there is definitely a bang to the Breach MD that sort of creates a fear factor. In example, on Manus Peak, on the raised platform just above B with the Supply depot, a substantial squad was coming up the walkways to ambush my smaller squad. I was testing the Breach MD at the time and found the conditions very favorable. There was barely any room on the walkway to strafe from side to side, and they were all cramped together. In 3 or 4 shots I removed a heavy and an assault and the others began retreating down to avoid a similar fate. The Breach MD requires direct hits so you must recreate the underlined scenario. So you will find yourself camping around doorways, catwalks, and other small enclosed paths. The best role the Breach MD can do is the Heavy Hunter. they are slow and much bigger targets. They would honestly try fighting you off rather than running, an underestimation of the scout + Mass Driver. The mental attitude of a heavy would approach you like you had a normal MD, that fighting is better than running. Thus they'll be much less mobile and easier targets. The Breach Mass Driver has such high damage that it is very effective against heavies. Hope that helped. Talk to me about ammo limitations. Will a compact nano hive replenish a breach md fully AND repair 100 armor hp? Not wanting to replace REs unless i get a low slot back!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood 820	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:23:00 - [746] - Quote Just tried the core breach mass driver for the first time since 1.1 and it is fantastic for cqc and flanking maneuvers now that the damage is correctly applied
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 104	Posted - 2013.07.30 22:12:00 - [747] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Just tried the core breach mass driver for the first time since 1.1 and it is fantastic for cqc and flanking maneuvers now that the damage is correctly applied Can you lonewolf with it or is it more of a squad support weapon? Also, can you score headshots?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood 822	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:10:00 - [748] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Just tried the core breach mass driver for the first time since 1.1 and it is fantastic for cqc and flanking maneuvers now that the damage is correctly applied Can you lonewolf with it or is it more of a squad support weapon? Also, can you score headshots? You can lonewolf with the breach I find flanking or getting in close quick is the best way to use it aside from aiming it down a hallway/bridge as the splash radius is low enough that hitting yourself with it is damn near impossible. To my knowledge you can not get a headshot with a mass driver be warned the breach is the most difficult mass driver to use and mid range is not your friend due to low splash damage/radius and reduced fire rate it's possible to hit a target at mid range but it's not the easiest thing to do.
kanders Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 13	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:12:00 - [749] - Quote Has anyone dug into the stats of the Hunter Scout suit? How does it compare to the other suits?
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1319	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:13:00 - [750] - Quote I just liked the last 3 posts out of principle Damn it kanders!



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