@ Arkena



^ Excellent recommendation. I'm told the Scout path is much more SP-intensive than that of an Assault or Heavy.

Yup. You gotta get into their head.

"They should know that he is "somewhere around here", just not exactly where." is a perfect summation of this.

If they are searching you, they become easy to predict. Most will take their corners wide. There are certain area's they search first. Common RE locations they check.

You learn to prey on their predictability.

For example, set up RE'S at the top of stairs. They can't check it until it's too late.

Camp a corner, and kill target #1. Fall back. The next guy will take the corner wide, so don't even bother getting him. Terminate the body and disappear. Keep tabs on him. He will check around, and then most likely go back the way he came. Be there ready with a surprise

This becomes harder and harder to do when there are more people around. Groups of 3+ are the hardest to whittle down, as you will constantly have to think of new tactics (those buggers learn quickly). If you know they are rez happy, camp the body of the first target. Be ready with a grenade or RE.

Remember, you must ALWAYS be the hunter. A scout must tweak his circumstances to put him in the hunting position, for this is where he has the advantage. You can only run so far, so if you must run don't have escape being the only idea (unless there is a horde chasing you). Set traps, and draw out the engagement. This is why scouts love city maps, as it gives them places with multiple objectives and cover and concealment to wreak massive havoc.

The whole point of my post was to advocate the Active Scanner as a taunting instrument.
To demonstrate that the enemy knowing you're nearby isn't always a bad thing.

And here you are talking about REs :P

If only we had two equipment slots :-)

I was using the Breach, found it to work.
Would like input from you folks though?
What's your experiences with the SG and variantsGǪ Can a normal SG take a heavy/killer bee down quick enough?

*sniff* https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1690104#post1690104 was overlooked.

Those posts don't constitute giving actual numbers, the second one is even a "this one time..." type argument, which is arbitrary and is completely useless in a legitimate presentation of an argument. Ghost and Shotty both gave valid opposition to your points, and you did not provide a proper rebuttal. This means that you cannot say they are incorrect without a proper response that addresses the their counterpoints.

Mary, Mother of a Crucified Carpenter, I can't believe this thread is still going and yet not a single blue tag.

At this point, I'm assuming CCP is afraid of posting in here for fear one of us is going to nova knife them.

At this point, I'm assuming CCP is afraid of posting in here for fear one of us is going to nova knife them.

After 308 pages, I'm not going to be surprised if a Dev posts here and then an entire mob starts flooding the thread even further with questions.

No love until only 6 ppl are using the suit, apparently...

Sooo... since shotguns are coming up again...



What data based counterpoints did I miss? The only replies I saw were along the lines of, "your data pales in comparison to the Awsum Powah of our Experience!!!1111"


Here's a more concise summary of my completely ignored data points (which were given in the postsyou claim have no numbers in them??)

I estimated that a decent shotgun should be able to do 750-800 HP damage on a headshot.
(Yes, there is a headshot bonus for shotguns)

I didnt see one person claim that number was incorrect.

Related Point : It should therefore be possible to kill even most *heavies*, in two shots, if you're good (ie: can hit head reliably). Less good, and you should be able to kill it in 3 every time, if you can at least manage to sneak up on a heavy, and line up the initial shot as a headshot.

Performance based point: Since a shotgun newb like me can get 1/3 of my kills with headshots... after not even running shotgun for a month ('cause when I was using it more, I got headshots more often!)... "the pros" should be able to do it even more consistently.

I didnt see any factual counterpoint to any of those. All I saw was posts to the tune of ("we dont need to respond to your inconvenient data, because we're the shotgun pros and we say shotgun needs to be buffed, go away newb")

Yet I'm the one being badgered about not sticking to using hard facts?

And going for headshots with spread weapon is ridiculous. Center mass should always be a shotgunner's target and encouraging otherwise with bad mechanics is silly. Reduce headshot multiplier so that it only gives a slight damage increase.

Damn it

One of them got away

The third explosive missed the tank as it sped away

I detonated the F/45's and got to half its armor

It ran with it's tail between it's legs

And turned on the hardeners

Okay, seeing that both Shotty and Jolly are posting.

Is it time to get that hunting squad set up?

I really wanna shotgun that guy

Okay, seeing that both Shotty and Jolly are posting.

Is it time to get that hunting squad set up?

I really wanna shotgun that guy

Actually, quill's headshot numbers are about right. Headshot bonus from Optimal Range (480CM) is 155% (+/-10% for shield or armor) So it's 744 for basic, 781 for adv, and 818 for proto.

The likelyhood of all 12 pellets hitting the head however puts a headshot's base lower, more still from being outside optimal range