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Llast 326 An Arkhos 7040	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:05:00 - [31861] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: ...I tried this before Shotty... R set a cap at 2 bonuses per suit. If Min refuse to lose knife bonus or hacking then they're stuck with it. There's a reason I ignore Min complaints now. You're better off spending your time trying to propose a new Amarr bonus and leave the other scouts out of it. The MinScouts can be reasoned with ... just have lock Gav outside and get the rest of them drunk. How much rum have you got You are going to need a lot MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2280	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:27:00 - [31862] - Quote If one more person destroys an installation just as I'm about to finish it off I'm gonna set fire to a puppy These quests are so frustrating to do >:( Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Dreis Shadowweaver Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2251	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:44:00 - [31863] - Quote To FLAYLOCK Steve: Clock dock socky McSock sock. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis(Ishukone Nova Knives)saxonmish
Dreis Shadowweaver Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2251	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:50:00 - [31864] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: If one more person destroys an installation just as I'm about to finish it off I'm gonna set fire to a puppy These quests are so frustrating to do >:( lol 'quests' Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis(Ishukone Nova Knives)saxonmish
Dreis Shadowweaver Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2251	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:51:00 - [31865] - Quote Shotty just killed my alt in an Ambush using his scrubtastic Assault MK.0. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis(Ishukone Nova Knives)saxonmish
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7991	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:53:00 - [31866] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Shotty just killed my alt in an Ambush using his scrubtastic Assault MK.0. The scrubs are people who think this suit's "fine". I'm drunk and I'm posting better scores with it than I can sober in a Scout suit. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Dreis Shadowweaver Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2251	Posted - 2015.03.20 03:11:00 - [31867] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Shotty just killed my alt in an Ambush using his scrubtastic Assault MK.0. The scrub is anyone who thinks that this suit's balanced and Scouts are OP. I'm drunk and I'm posting far better scores than I can sober in a Scout suit. Assaults should be getting better scores (I assume you mean K/D) than Scouts. Edit: Ah, I missed your edit Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis(Ishukone Nova Knives)saxonmish
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7994	Posted - 2015.03.20 03:19:00 - [31868] - Quote A guy with my lack of gungame shouldn't be posting 5.0 KDRs after a six pack. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1314	Posted - 2015.03.20 03:30:00 - [31869] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: A guy with my lack of gungame shouldn't be posting 5.0 KDRs after a six pack. Tie a string around thumb, pointer and middle finger on your right hand until your fingers go numb. that and after the 6 pack should bring you down to my old age with nerve dmg skill level, lol noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1294	Posted - 2015.03.20 03:34:00 - [31870] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't think making us 2.6% faster is adding a 3rd bonus, and I am fine with such a minor change, and would even be fine with no change if somehow a bit of a speed boost was too much to swallow. What if Gal Scouts had a bonus to cloak duration or cool down? Would that be significant enough? Also wouldn't mind if they got a bonus to SGs like Minja's have knives. 2.6% faster isn't a 3rd bonus; it normalizes the speed gap which separates Scouts from their Assault counterparts: Before Gallente: 9.00% Caldari: 9.00% Amarr: 9.38% Minmatar: 6.60% After Gallente: 9.00% Caldari: 9.00% Amarr: 9.38% Minmatar: 9.38% Our class bonus is already cloak-based; I wouldn't want to double down on efficacy of an item that some might not even use. Shotgun efficacy could get interesting ...then again, GalScout shotgunners already dominate Scout PC usage. Giving them a bonus to shotguns might reinforce the meta we're trying to shakeup ... I like the idea of a SG bonus for gal scout, I was thinking it and then saw others put it there to. Another idea that may not be liked is what about a drop uplink bonus? Gal scouts infiltrate and put down links for the team to spawn in on. It could be a bonus like x more active at once or shorter spawn times or whatever... Just spitballing. Overlord of Broman
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2283	Posted - 2015.03.20 03:35:00 - [31871] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: If one more person destroys an installation just as I'm about to finish it off I'm gonna set fire to a puppy These quests are so frustrating to do >:( lol 'quests' Oh you know that's what they are, Rattati definitely took a page out of WoW's book for the daily missions Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7997	Posted - 2015.03.20 03:49:00 - [31872] - Quote @ Ares To be honest, proposing a slayer-like bonus for the GalScout would make me very nervous. Assaults are absolutely encroaching on Scout mobility, and Logis have wholly displaced Scout EWAR. Lines are already blurred, and I'd be hesitant to propose something which might worsen the role bleed. That said, we don't have many other options to work with. Uplinks could work, but that'd tick of Logis ... they're also Amarr tech. What'd be really cool and role appropriate: steal the GalLogi's active scan bonus. Infiltration + Active Recon. Sounds like a Scout to me. But that'd leave the GalLogi without any Gal EQ to specialize in; probably won't happen even if it it'd make for better balance. Thinking it might not be a bad idea to double down on dampening bonus. The pitch would be a ghost unit capable of beating even enhanced falloff inner rings. Gonna sleep on it. Too tipsy for maths. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1314	Posted - 2015.03.20 04:03:00 - [31873] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Ares To be honest, proposing a slayer-like bonus for the GalScout would make me very nervous. Assaults are absolutely encroaching on Scout mobility, and Logis have wholly displaced Scout EWAR. Lines are already blurred, and I'd be hesitant to propose something which might worsen the role bleed. That said, we don't have many other options to work with. Uplinks could work, but that'd tick of Logis ... they're also Amarr tech. What'd be really cool and role appropriate: steal the GalLogi's active scan bonus. Infiltration + Active Recon. Sounds like a Scout to me. But that'd leave the GalLogi without any Gal EQ to specialize in; probably won't happen even if it it'd make for better balance. Thinking it might not be a bad idea to double down on dampening bonus. The pitch would be a ghost unit capable of beating even enhanced falloff inner rings. Gonna sleep on it. Too tipsy for maths. I know I would not mind the scanner bonus on my gal scout. Already run my gal logi with 26db profile adv cloak with 2 flux scanners to be like my gal scout. Tac ar all the way too. noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7999	Posted - 2015.03.20 04:27:00 - [31874] - Quote voidfaction wrote: I know I would not mind the scanner bonus on my gal scout .... The only EQ Gallente make is the Active Scanner. Cloaks, Hives and Needles are Caldari Uplinks are Amarr Rep Tools and REs are Minmatar Ideas on a replacement bonus for the GalLogi? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7999	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:02:00 - [31875] - Quote Proposal-wise, thinking I'll replace the Cal precision with the cloak-blind bonus. Also, going to drop the Duvolle Focused Scanner buff, so it'll be 1 damp to beat 21dB scans and 2 to beat 15dB (class-wide). Still not sure what to do with Gallente Scout racial bonus ... so far we have: * more dampening * something with cloak * something with shotgun * something with uplinks * something with active scanners Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2728	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:14:00 - [31876] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: voidfaction wrote: I know I would not mind the scanner bonus on my gal scout .... The only EQ Gallente make is the Active Scanner. Cloaks, Hives and Needles are Caldari Uplinks are Amarr Rep Tools and REs are Minmatar Ideas on a replacement bonus for the GalLogi? I think it unlikely, but if we figured out a way to jerk their bonus we could fix permascan. And also scout. Lol. PS: This isn't ever going to happen. As i've mentioned many times before and will continue to remind everyone, Nova Knives are caldari and the minmatar scout has a bonus for it, so having bonuses that match racial equipment isn't that concrete of a rule. So I say either we give the GalLogi a different equipment bonus, or CCP adds racial knives. If they don't do either we burn Molden Heath. People find this this review helpful!
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 731	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:28:00 - [31877] - Quote mollerz wrote: [...] That isn't exactly fair. Minmatar scouts always had the knife bonus. I don't care so much about the hacking because frankly, I got it done without the bonus, and almost never matters. [...] There is an important meta role only the minmatar scout can do that is often overlooked, and is actually important in PC. The speed hack fit. And I don't mean the kind with kin cats. I'm talking about a 3 second hack time, using cloak, in order to take a point that is being heavily contested when the chaos is thick. I VERY rarely use this setup, it has to be proto, and it usually dies on the objective. However the times I've used it have turned a complete stalemate on the objective (that had lasted over 5 minutes game time) into an advantageous stalemate. We never cleared the ennemy off the point, it was a constant bloodbath for the entire match, BUT no one else could hack it after I grabbed it. Cloak, 3 codebreakers, all the shield you possibly can, and pray the core locus isn't well baked. Again, I am feeling uneasy with a setup that gives the min scout the whole cake in terms of damps AND speed. Right now 1 kincat is sufficient to NK, but 1 damp isn't enough to beat AVERAGE scans. This means any suit under proto has to make a very hard choice, and while the proto suit can have both (1 kin cat, 2 damps) it can't beat the BEST scans. I think this is acceptable as the minscout is not the infiltration specialist, it's the physical performance suit. Caldari and Galllente are the infiltration specialists and Amarr desperately needs something new to spice it up. With that said, I find the lack of "hard choice" for the Gallente scout to be a bit of a thorn. I feel bad for pointing that out, though. I don't find it OP or anything, but It's the only one that doesn't have to choose between something or another. It can mostly have it all in terms of damps and speed. (please correct me if I am wrong, I make mistakes) Know what cannot be known.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1315	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:29:00 - [31878] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: voidfaction wrote: I know I would not mind the scanner bonus on my gal scout .... The only EQ Gallente make is the Active Scanner. Cloaks, Hives and Needles are Caldari Uplinks are Amarr Rep Tools and REs are Minmatar Ideas on a replacement bonus for the GalLogi? I think it unlikely, but if we figured out a way to jerk their bonus we could do the responsible thing and fix permascan. I think the gal logi should have some type of deployable proximity sensor or maybe a deployable dampener field that reduces profile of anything inside to mask the heavies standing guard inside a building. give my scout some other equipment I can go out and scout for and destroy so my team can move in undetected or a reason to send a scout to recon an area that scans show to be empty but actually has enemy in wait under a dampening bubble. I don't know I just have trouble with logi being the front line recon. They should be setting up base of operations with deployable uplinks, hives, proximity defense scan blockers as the scouts are sent out for recon. noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 731	Posted - 2015.03.20 05:33:00 - [31879] - Quote voidfaction wrote: [...] I do not want to be pushed into a shotgun scout. I could say a tac-ar bonus as that is what i use 90% of the time and I am sure those that use shotgun, rr, cr, etc would as well disagree with a tac-ar bonus. I do not want to be pushed into a CqC cookie cutter scout like the min scout is with its NK bonus. I want bonuses I can use with any weapon or no weapons as my main job is not killing it is hacking, sneaking, and destroying equipment. Completely agree. Let's keep as much sand in the box as possible. Know what cannot be known.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1315	Posted - 2015.03.20 06:20:00 - [31880] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Proposal-wise, thinking I'll replace the Cal precision with the cloak-blind bonus. Also, going to drop the Duvolle Focused Scanner buff, so it'll be 1 damp to beat 21dB scans and 2 to beat 15dB (class-wide). Still not sure what to do with Gallente Scout racial bonus ... so far we have: * more dampening * something with cloak * something with shotgun * something with uplinks * something with active scanners If I had to choose from those for gal scout it would be 1. something with cloak (dampening if less shimmer is not an option) as duration and recharge IMO is easy to manage even with std cloak. 2. something active scanner - nerf active scanner range A LOT and give gal scout a 25% bonus to active scan range. logi keeps there bonus gal scout gets different bonus to same equipment. I do not use shotguns and the reason I do not use min scout is because I do not use NK's (I would use the min scout if it had a bonus that was not nk/melee related). Played a ranged gal scout since open beta and would expect a full respec and refund for 5 gal scout bpo (including the 100$ package that got me the dren gal scout) if it was to be changed to a shotgun bonus. Uplinks I do not know. I don't use them because I do not fly dropships. Scanners IMO fit the role for scout better than logi. cloak blind reduction I think would fit cal scout best with being the passive scan range scout. noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
mollerz 6222	Posted - 2015.03.20 06:52:00 - [31881] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: A guy with my lack of gungame shouldn't be posting 5.0 KDRs after a six pack. That could be the best post to end this barbershop.. but nah.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22967	Posted - 2015.03.20 07:00:00 - [31882] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Spademan wrote: Hmm...in this hypothetical situation I'd be curious to see how long it'd take for me to get kicked from the corp when I fight for the raiders. I don't think we'd actually attack FA just yet. Our A-Team is still kinda Scout-heavy, and they have KB/M scannerinas. And our only district is permalocked by OH? vOv Gallente Guide "More like a ban farm amirite" - CCP Frame
FLAYLOCK Steve Nos Nothi 583	Posted - 2015.03.20 07:45:00 - [31883] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: To FLAYLOCK Steve: Clock dock socky McSock sock. Really lol. It was you the whole time? -_-. So why is saxonmish in your sig? Are you also him? Btw, the map we played yesterday before I had to leave. The bridge one, I've never seen that map before lmao. Not I can recall.
FLAYLOCK Steve Nos Nothi 583	Posted - 2015.03.20 08:17:00 - [31884] - Quote I think the Min Scout should be a little harder to scan. They are the assassin scout, they have a bonus to a knife. How are we supposed to get close if everyone and their grandma can see us. Min scouts should be more stealthily
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2554	Posted - 2015.03.20 08:58:00 - [31885] - Quote We've had this discussion. Get damps, lose hacks. Which do you want more? We'll bang, OK?
FLAYLOCK Steve Nos Nothi 583	Posted - 2015.03.20 09:18:00 - [31886] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: We've had this discussion. Get damps, lose hacks. Which do you want more? Even with damp a min scout can be scanned.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2285	Posted - 2015.03.20 10:18:00 - [31887] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: We've had this discussion. Get damps, lose hacks. Which do you want more? Even with damp a min scout can be scanned. His point is that a minmatar scout can't have both good dampening and good hacking out of the box Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2554	Posted - 2015.03.20 10:21:00 - [31888] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: We've had this discussion. Get damps, lose hacks. Which do you want more? Even with damp a min scout can be scanned. No. If you get a bonus to dampening you'll lose the bonus to hacking (Rattati has said as much). And unless something drastically changed while I wasn't looking: All scouts can dampen below even the most precise gal logi scans. It's just really hard to do (a little easier for Gal) And in the discussions I've had with Min scouts in game they don't want a bonus to damps. The only feed back I've had from Min scouts in game (those not on the forums): Code breakers in highs might be nice. De-nerf cloak in general. Maybe make kin cats a little more effective. (not just for Min, just in general) One in particular who has been playing Min Scout for a long time didn't know why everyone complained about Min scout so much, and straight up said "aw hell no" to swapping hack speed for dampening. We'll bang, OK?
FLAYLOCK Steve Nos Nothi 585	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:45:00 - [31889] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: We've had this discussion. Get damps, lose hacks. Which do you want more? Even with damp a min scout can be scanned. No. If you get a bonus to dampening you'll lose the bonus to hacking (Rattati has said as much). And unless something drastically changed while I wasn't looking: All scouts can dampen below even the most precise gal logi scans. It's just really hard to do (a little easier for Gal) And in the discussions I've had with Min scouts in game they don't want a bonus to damps. The only feed back I've had from Min scouts in game (those not on the forums): Code breakers in highs might be nice. De-nerf cloak in general. Maybe make kin cats a little more effective. (not just for Min, just in general) One in particular who has been playing Min Scout for a long time didn't know why everyone complained about Min scout so much, and straight up said "aw hell no" to swapping hack speed for dampening. Well you got a point I do like hacking ^_^. But I do agree with the whole denerf cloak. Also yes kincats take up a lot of fitting space
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 8002	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:49:00 - [31890] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: No. If you get a bonus to dampening you'll lose the bonus to hacking (Rattati has said as much). This statement was made before Scouts were UP. Our predicate is the assumption of a UP Scout. That said, you guys have made an excellent point. I run 1 2 Breaker MinScout all the time, and if my 2 Breaker fit could beat everything but 15dB scans, it'd be too difficult to defend points without literally parking someone on the panel. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

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