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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:27:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
I don't think making us 2.6% faster is adding a 3rd bonus, and I am fine with such a minor change, and would even be fine with no change if somehow a bit of a speed boost was too much to swallow.
What if Gal Scouts had a bonus to cloak duration or cool down? Would that be significant enough?
Also wouldn't mind if they got a bonus to SGs like Minja's have knives.
2.6% faster isn't a 3rd bonus; it normalizes the speed gap which separates Scouts from their Assault counterparts:
Before
Gallente: 9.00%
Caldari: 9.00%
Amarr: 9.38%
Minmatar: 6.60%
After
Gallente: 9.00%
Caldari: 9.00%
Amarr: 9.38%
Minmatar: 9.38%
Our class bonus is already cloak-based; I wouldn't want to double down on efficacy of an item that some might not even use. Shotgun efficacy could get interesting ...then again, GalScout shotgunners already dominate Scout PC usage. Giving them a bonus to shotguns might reinforce the meta we're trying to shakeup ...
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
22936
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:34:00 -
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Apparently super basic drones are in the works. No promises though.
Gallente Guide
RIP MAG - Raven vet
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
22936
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:36:00 -
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On the topic of cloak bonuses - do you guys seriously use the cloak enough to genuinely want a cloak recharge bonus? O_o
Gallente Guide
RIP MAG - Raven vet
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7982
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:37:00 -
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Raid Discusion @ ~33:00
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7982
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:39:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:On the topic of cloak bonuses - do you guys seriously use the cloak enough to genuinely want a cloak recharge bonus? O_o
Any bonus to cloak other than cloak blind, active damp or shimmer would be a waste IMHO
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6119
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:CalScout Proposal Feedback
1. Pretty much everything else i like EXCEPT the CA Scout. The precision efficacy is much better then base scan profile bonus but i don't like the range/passive scans they could achieve with this combo (I never liked that role in the past) - Ares
2. Not sure how I feel about the scan range. Before the Ewar changes I would've been all for keeping them, but now I'm not sure. - Spade
3. I would like cal scout going back to precision and range but even though it is not as much as it had I still think it might be a little OP. - Void
Agreed. Will rethink CalScout.
Mine was actually aimed at Gal, though it works for Cal too.
Another issue I have is the other proposed switch for the Gal is 100% Cloak dependent and very questionably useful even if you do use Cloak often.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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mollerz
6214
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:42:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Raid Discusion @ ~33:00
what do you mean raid discussion (TL;DR if I may ask)? |
mollerz
6214
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:45:00 -
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Bayeth Mal wrote:...I tried this before Shotty...
R set a cap at 2 bonuses per suit.
If Min refuse to lose knife bonus or hacking then they're stuck with it.
There's a reason I ignore Min complaints now.
You're better off spending your time trying to propose a new Amarr bonus and leave the other scouts out of it.
That isn't exactly fair. Minmatar scouts always had the knife bonus. I don't care so much about the hacking because frankly, I got it done without the bonus, and almost never matters.
The knife bonus is a big deal to us who've been playing it from day one and love the knifer life style. I understand that not everyone likes to knife, but this is in the roots of the suit. I'm glad us minjas fight to keep it, because otherwise it would just be a very ******* ****** scout suit.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8660
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:47:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
I don't think making us 2.6% faster is adding a 3rd bonus, and I am fine with such a minor change, and would even be fine with no change if somehow a bit of a speed boost was too much to swallow.
What if Gal Scouts had a bonus to cloak duration or cool down? Would that be significant enough?
Also wouldn't mind if they got a bonus to SGs like Minja's have knives.
2.6% faster isn't a 3rd bonus; it normalizes the speed gap which separates Scouts from their Assault counterparts: BeforeGallente: 9.00% Caldari: 9.00% Amarr: 9.38% Minmatar: 6.60% AfterGallente: 9.00% Caldari: 9.00% Amarr: 9.38% Minmatar: 9.38%
Our class bonus is already cloak-based; I wouldn't want to double down on efficacy of an item that some might not even use. Shotgun efficacy could get interesting ...then again, GalScout shotgunners already dominate Scout PC usage. Giving them a bonus to shotguns might reinforce the meta we're trying to shakeup ...
But much of the SG domination has much to do with the Dampening bonus too. If Gal Scouts have no dampening to set them apart, and are a bit less versatile, then perhaps giving them a Shotgun bonus will help them compete a little more with Assault Shotguns while not really stealing away anything from the other Scouts.
Perhaps you could use a "placeholder" bonus for Gals, with the option of giving them a Shotgun bonus if it looks viable, or perhaps something else if its not.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7982
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:51:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Raid Discusion @ ~33:00 what do you mean raid discussion (TL;DR if I may ask)?
Raids will be a more casual, potentially mercenary-like means by which to participate in PC. They will serve primarily to annoy and pillage overextended landholders. 
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
22939
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:52:00 -
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On the topic of 'annoying and pillaging overextended landholders' I never really saw much of a reason to want much land in the first place.
Gallente Guide
RIP MAG - Raven vet
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1313
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:55:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Bayeth Mal wrote:...I tried this before Shotty...
R set a cap at 2 bonuses per suit.
If Min refuse to lose knife bonus or hacking then they're stuck with it.
There's a reason I ignore Min complaints now.
You're better off spending your time trying to propose a new Amarr bonus and leave the other scouts out of it. But his point is that the Gal Bonus is too good compared to the rest, and it may need some adjusting instead of trying to balance the other 3 suits around the Gal Scouts without leaving one of them as unviable as the Amarr or as OP as the pre Alpha Cals. I don't think making us 2.6% faster is adding a 3rd bonus, and I am fine with such a minor change, and would even be fine with no change if somehow a bit of a speed boost was too much to swallow. What if Gal Scouts had a bonus to cloak duration or cool down? Would that be significant enough? Also wouldn't mind if they got a bonus to SGs like Minja's have knives.
I find the cloak duration and cool down fine as they are. I use the std often and it gives enough time to hide you as you climb a ladder, hack, heal, or move to cover to cover with what seems like instant recharge. I find the duration of the proto overkill.
I do not want to be pushed into a shotgun scout.
I could say a tac-ar bonus as that is what i use 90% of the time and I am sure those that use shotgun, rr, cr, etc would as well disagree with a tac-ar bonus. I do not want to be pushed into a CqC cookie cutter scout like the min scout is with its NK bonus. I want bonuses I can use with any weapon or no weapons as my main job is not killing it is hacking, sneaking, and destroying equipment.
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mollerz
6217
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:04:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Raid Discusion @ ~33:00 what do you mean raid discussion (TL;DR if I may ask)? Raids will be a more casual, potentially mercenary-like means by which to participate in PC. They will serve primarily to annoy and pillage overextended landholders.
If this becomes destiny like I'll laugh my motherfucking face off. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7984
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:07:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Raid Discusion @ ~33:00 what do you mean raid discussion (TL;DR if I may ask)? Raids will be a more casual, potentially mercenary-like means by which to participate in PC. They will serve primarily to annoy and pillage overextended landholders. If this becomes destiny like I'll laugh my motherfucking face off.
Haven't played Destiny since Beta. Seemed like a game for little kids.
Does it have Raids now?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6121
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:15:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Raid Discusion @ ~33:00 what do you mean raid discussion (TL;DR if I may ask)? Raids will be a more casual, potentially mercenary-like means by which to participate in PC. They will serve primarily to annoy and pillage overextended landholders. If this becomes destiny like I'll laugh my motherfucking face off.
Very different uses of the word raid. Destiny uses the terrible mmorpg definition which is content that is locked away from 90% of the playerbase and takes far too much effort to do for far too little gain.
Raids in Dust appear to be geared towards a battle serving no purpose other than to get as much loot as possible from a district.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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Murt Lesp
Leviathan Battalion
325
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:20:00 -
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Spademan wrote:mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Raid Discusion @ ~33:00 what do you mean raid discussion (TL;DR if I may ask)? Raids will be a more casual, potentially mercenary-like means by which to participate in PC. They will serve primarily to annoy and pillage overextended landholders. If this becomes destiny like I'll laugh my motherfucking face off. Very different uses of the word raid. Destiny uses the terrible mmorpg definition which is content that is locked away from 90% of the playerbase and takes far too much effort to do for far too little gain. Raids in Dust appear to be geared towards a battle serving no purpose other than to get as much loot as possible from a district.
Can we change it to "Pillage" or "Pirate" or "Warlord" mode? Just so the link is harder to make.
Make it unique by giving isk for destroyed installations or stolen shipments. Hack and buy time while shuttles come to take the crates away. Just reverse the vehicle drop off mechanics. Have System hacks that mess with clone production or weapon stores.
Selectively destructible environment: certain buildings, maybe doors for breaching, and items to take or sabotage
THAT is a raid or Warlord activity right there
Amarr by blood, but ISK buys more loyalty
I love my AScR
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7986
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:20:00 -
[31847] - Quote
Ahhh ... thanks, Spade. That's what he meant by Raid.
No, Mollerz, not at all. With this kinda Raid, a corp like Nos Nothi would see that a corp like Fatal Absolution is over-extended in their landholdings. Their districts are producing Resource X, which we want. So we team up with another raider corp or two and coordinate "raids" against different districts simultaneously. FA only has enough actives online to defend one raid. The others they have to call in ringers for ... assuming the ringers are aren't busy fending off raiders from their own districts.
At the end of the day, PC is no longer a playground to be dominated by a hundred or so neckbeards. A corp with 50 active mercs would be hard pressed to defend 50 districts.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6125
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:23:00 -
[31848] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Ahhh ... thanks, Spade. That's what he meant by Raid.
No, Mollerz, not at all. With this kinda Raid, a corp like Nos Nothi would see that a corp like Fatal Absolution is over-extended in their landholdings. Their districts are producing Resource X, which we want. So we team up with another Raider corp and coordinate "raids" against different districts simultaneously. FA only has enough actives online to defend one raid. The other they have to call in ringers for. Meanwhile, raiders hit the ringer corp's districts.
PC is no longer a playground to be dominated by 100 neckbeards.
Hmm...in this hypothetical situation I'd be curious to see how long it'd take for me to get kicked from the corp when I fight for the raiders.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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mollerz
6219
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:24:00 -
[31849] - Quote
Spademan wrote:finition which is content that is locked away from 90% of the playerbase and takes far too much effort to do for far too little gain.
Raids in Dust appear to be geared towards a battle serving no purpose other than to get as much loot as possible from a district.
Ah ok cool. @shotty- it sucks, will always suck, and it's the reason I won't do pre-orders unless I'm 100% sure about something. |
mollerz
6219
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:25:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ahhh ... thanks, Spade. That's what he meant by Raid.
No, Mollerz, not at all. With this kinda Raid, a corp like Nos Nothi would see that a corp like Fatal Absolution is over-extended in their landholdings. Their districts are producing Resource X, which we want. So we team up with another raider corp or two and coordinate "raids" against different districts simultaneously. FA only has enough actives online to defend one raid. The others they have to call in ringers for ... assuming the ringers are aren't busy fending off raiders from their own districts.
At the end of the day, PC is no longer a playground to be dominated by a hundred or so neckbeards. A corp with 50 active mercs would be hard pressed to defend 50 districts.
Okay that is much cooler. |
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7986
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:26:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ahhh ... thanks, Spade. That's what he meant by Raid.
No, Mollerz, not at all. With this kinda Raid, a corp like Nos Nothi would see that a corp like Fatal Absolution is over-extended in their landholdings. Their districts are producing Resource X, which we want. So we team up with another Raider corp and coordinate "raids" against different districts simultaneously. FA only has enough actives online to defend one raid. The other they have to call in ringers for. Meanwhile, raiders hit the ringer corp's districts.
PC is no longer a playground to be dominated by 100 neckbeards.
Hmm...in this hypothetical situation I'd be curious to see how long it'd take for me to get kicked from the corp when I fight for the raiders.
I don't think we'd actually attack FA. Our A-Team is still kinda Scout-heavy, and FA has KB/M scannerinas 
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
2702
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:38:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Spademan wrote:
Hmm...in this hypothetical situation I'd be curious to see how long it'd take for me to get kicked from the corp when I fight for the raiders.
I don't think we'd actually attack FA just yet. Our A-Team is still kinda Scout-heavy, and they have KB/M scannerinas.
I say we attack FA day one.
People find this this review helpful!
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8662
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:43:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Spademan wrote:
Hmm...in this hypothetical situation I'd be curious to see how long it'd take for me to get kicked from the corp when I fight for the raiders.
I don't think we'd actually attack FA just yet. Our A-Team is still kinda Scout-heavy, and they have KB/M scannerinas.
We have an A team?
Who is Mr. T?
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
2279
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:00:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Spademan wrote:
Hmm...in this hypothetical situation I'd be curious to see how long it'd take for me to get kicked from the corp when I fight for the raiders.
I don't think we'd actually attack FA just yet. Our A-Team is still kinda Scout-heavy, and they have KB/M scannerinas.
They'll never expect the Q-Team
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6136
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:24:00 -
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I'm curious, has Rogue shown up at FanFest?
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8662
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:26:00 -
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Spademan wrote:I'm curious, has Rogue shown up at FanFest?
Probably in disguise.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8663
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:56:00 -
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The last post in this thread is entertaining.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Murt Lesp
Leviathan Battalion
325
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:06:00 -
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I did my respec
Maybe by having just Lv 5 Gal Scout instead of 3 adv suits will help me find my niche better. AR, AScR, BP, IP, NK for weapons. Plates for tanking. ADV Hives, Links, and Scanners
No more AM Scout or Logi, no more CR or ScP, no more Shield extenders
And Loyalty Rank Lieutenant to show for it
Game time!
Amarr by blood, but ISK buys more loyalty
I love my AScR
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Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy
169
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:23:00 -
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Murt Lesp wrote:I did my respec
Maybe by having just Lv 5 Gal Scout instead of 3 adv suits will help me find my niche better. AR, AScR, BP, IP, NK for weapons. Plates for tanking. ADV Hives, Links, and Scanners
No more AM Scout or Logi, no more CR or ScP, no more Shield extenders
And Loyalty Rank Lieutenant to show for it
Game time!
u dun goofed u needed minscout
TritusX
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
7039
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:51:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:The last post in this thread is entertaining.
LMAO
that was great
MOAR Ladders
SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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