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The path is clear however, this overemphasis of eHP buffing has to be countered, simply by increasing PG of plates, it is obvious and imminent.

I don't think increasing the PG of plate is a good idea even with the PG increases my protofits Gallente assault cam barely fit a tank (compared to the other protofit tanks ive made) while also fitting a good weapon, I have to sacrifice a grenade and use a compact nanohive and this is with a enhanced shield extender and one enhanced + complex damage modifier and a advanced side arm. There is no way for my to fit all proto without spending a ton of SP into PG skills for my weapons.

Edit: the reason my other protofits can get a much better tank is because I am making rep tanked shield suits and pure armor tank amarrs. Vs a rep tanked Gallente, regardless it still struggles with PG a little bit.

I've raised the point about tier progression a couple of times since you got into your current position, but you've never directly answered, so here's the question to shut me up:

Are new players supposed to have any chance of having fun at all when they are in a battle that one or more vets are in?
Answer this question and we can save ourselves quite some effort going forward.

OK so I'm now thinking I like all the buffs for assaults; capacity, 8 slots at pro, and hp. With that said, I believe the capcity cost of all hp modules should be increased by quite a bit, maybe 150%. This will drive away dual tankers, fix the raw eHP stacking problem we have, diversify fits, create use for capacity modules, and make base HP a more stable balancing mechanic.

Also here's a shield tanked minmatar for Charlie with 8 slots

Charlie Assault mk.0

With the HP buff we are looking at about 470 shield and 300 armor. BUT if hp module capacity costs were increased I'd probably drop the extra extender for a damage mod. This would then be 400 shield and 300 armor. A very nice looking assault suit.

One last thing is I still think that minmatar assault shield delays are too long. They are currently 6/8 while even the minmatar logistics is 5/6. Even with 2 complex regulators my delay is still 2.5 seconds. I'd say drop the minmatar assault delay to 5/7. This will allow us to properly regulate our shields (2 complex regulators would then = 2 sec). We already suffer from a painfully slow shield regen of 25 and lower eHP.

OK so I'm now thinking I like all the buffs for assaults; capacity, 8 slots at pro, and hp. With that said, I believe the capcity cost of all hp modules should be increased by quite a bit, maybe 150%. This will drive away dual tankers, fix the raw eHP stacking problem we have, diversify fits, create use for capacity modules, and make base HP a more stable balancing mechanic.

Also here's a shield tanked minmatar for Charlie with 8 slots

Charlie Assault mk.0

With the HP buff we are looking at about 470 shield and 300 armor. BUT if hp module capacity costs were increased I'd probably drop the extra extender for a damage mod. This would then be 400 shield and 300 armor. A very CRAP looking assault suit.

One last thing is I still think that minmatar assault shield delays are too long. They are currently 6/8 while even the minmatar logistics is 5/6. Even with 2 complex regulators my delay is still 2.5 seconds. I'd say drop the minmatar assault delay to 5/7. This will allow us to properly regulate our shields (2 complex regulators would then = 2 sec). We already suffer from a painfully slow shield regen of 25 and lower eHP.

OK so I'm now thinking I like all the buffs for assaults; capacity, 8 slots at pro, and hp. With that said, I believe the capcity cost of all hp modules should be increased by quite a bit, maybe 150%. This will drive away dual tankers, fix the raw eHP stacking problem we have, diversify fits, create use for capacity modules, and make base HP a more stable balancing mechanic.

Also here's a shield tanked minmatar for Charlie with 8 slots

Charlie Assault mk.0

With the HP buff we are looking at about 470 shield and 300 armor. BUT if hp module capacity costs were increased I'd probably drop the extra extender for a damage mod. This would then be 400 shield and 300 armor. A very nice looking assault suit.

One last thing is I still think that minmatar assault shield delays are too long. They are currently 6/8 while even the minmatar logistics is 5/6. Even with 2 complex regulators my delay is still 2.5 seconds. I'd say drop the minmatar assault delay to 5/7. This will allow us to properly regulate our shields (2 complex regulators would then = 2 sec). We already suffer from a painfully slow shield regen of 25 and lower eHP.

The only hp problem is armor plates and armor suits using shield extenders...

You know why armor tankers put on extenders?
Because there's nothing else to put there to benefit an assault suit.
It used to be damage mods, but those were nerfed hard.

Any attempt to move a module to high slots was met with a giant "Boo!" or "No!" followed by the reasoning "armor op".


So you have any problems with me putting on extenders? You can cram it.
Give me useful utility modules and I will gladly stop using extenders.

I am worried about Charlie now since Rattati is thinking about increasing the PG of armor plates

The most-used module in the entire game?
Encouraging folks to run ... something else?

Surely he wouldn't dare.

Oh dear me forgive me that my suit depends on armor... and there isn't anything else to run for a armor based suit. its ok I can run with empty slots.

It worries me because I not only run armor suits but also shield suits, and so far my armor suits and shield suits are pretty toe to toe balanced. Increasing the PG to my armor suit would kill it while leaving my shield suit unhindered whatsoever.

This is my shield suit for charlie

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5721

This is my armor suit for charlie

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5720

And even if fitting costs was increased across the board fitting modules are in the lows so it hurts armor based suit more. Buffs to the secondary unused modules is much better than a nerf.

Yeah the balance between shields and armor is pretty close IMHO (perhaps a slight edge to armor, shield energizer/recharger buff in the works though).

I think Rattati should just slowly increase all hp module capacity costs until fits diversify a bit.

Yes I agree with you, but I think (my thoughts) must not increase PG/CPU cost for the complex shield extender...
54/11 is already heavy I think.

My opinion is, to stop the dual-tankers, increase
- the CPU cost for shield extender
- the PG for armor plates

With it, "only" Caldari (and Minmatar) could put shield extender, and (for example) the caldari couldn't put armor plates

But if your thoughts were also increase the PG for shield xetender, it would be very difficult for a calda to fit 3-4 shield extenders

So, for me, that's what it whould be done.
Stop dual tankers, and make shiald or armor mod only for the specialized one..

For your previous post, I totaly agree with you, the Minma assault should have better shield regulator... Maybe with a suit bonus ? Why not ?
But not the HP/s regen, that's for the caldari
(for me, minma assault shield regu. : 5/7 => the same as the caldari, but minma has more armor, so more time to wait shield comes back after exhaustion)

As soon as I get something to put in high slots that doesn't suck.

I got the impression Ratatti was referring to plates, not reactive or ferroscale, for a pg increase.

You know why armor tankers put on extenders?
Because there's nothing else to put there to benefit an assault suit.
It used to be damage mods, but those were nerfed hard.

Any attempt to move a module to high slots was met with a giant "Boo!" or "No!" followed by the reasoning "armor op".


So you have any problems with me putting on extenders? You can cram it.
Give me useful utility modules and I will gladly stop using extenders.

At LEAST increase myo stims to like 100% or something.
I am LOOKING for reasons to dump my shield extenders, seriously, please, give me a reason, any at all!

Myo's are useless at this point. Raising them up to +100% would make melee combat not only hillarious but viable.

I've raised the point about tier progression a couple of times since you got into your current position, but you've never directly answered, so here's the question to shut me up:

Are new players supposed to have any chance of having fun at all when they are in a battle that one or more vets are in?
Answer this question and we can save ourselves quite some effort going forward.

P.S.: I know this is a loaded question. I get to have an opinion when I discuss my pastime hobby. I hope you get that I'm looking for your opinion as to where the ratio of power between new and old players is supposed to be.

The matchmaker is a good portion of the problem for sure.

If the Gallente and Amarr Sentinel slot layouts are swapped, then the Gallente Sentinel should probably have its self rep bonus increased to compensate. Even with a buff to damage modes a low slot is still worth more than a high slot to a Sentinel. A bit larger self rep bonus might make up the difference and is in line with Gallente favoring armor rep tanking while Amarr favor brick tanking.

For the record, Scouts are by and large in favor of Assault buffs.