* Move all logistics to the same number of Equipment slots, removing the Amarr sidearm. Reduce Logi speed slightly and remove Cloak fitting bonus.

You could make that argument for all kinds of reasons, take away the side arm for one assault, or give one commando grenades. I don't like these kinds of inconsistencies as they are really hard to balance, and the reason for speccing into that suit is obfuscated instead of being easily compared and analysed.

Small rails would not get a range buff at all, we are looking at small rails versus sniper rifle ranges.

What if Amarr Logis give up the new slot they got but got to keep the sidearm?

I like that Amarr got a sidearm over the others, the balance was that they lost a slot for a sidearm(very balanced if you ask me) but since they got a new low...well you see where I'm going here.

It's just like how the Amarr assault got most CPU/PG but had least slots. At least that can be balanced by adding more CPU/PG to the other assault suits. With the Logi, you'd have to add a sidearm to all of them to get them balanced with Amarr...basically completely overshadowing the Assault(more so then it already is)

well we could go the stupid way and make logis sidearms only if you like them that much... :P

Overall we need to start stepping back and start looking at the larger picture of things of teaching players proper roles for every class and the range of roles a class can fulfill; having an assault like attribute on a logistics suit is as I said before muddling.

This is also what we call an extreme outlier; a case where the faction option in question is so far out of its league it might as well be another class. This is where it starts to become more difficult to balance because you now need to justify the weight of having said option. A side arm in the future can be exceptionally heavy stat and even worse so an endeared stat when it does come time to finally remove outliers like this. The removal should bring the alogi back home into the house of the logi instead of him living in the pool house.

Also I don't know why you guys are a bit overly too focused on this; you have an opportunity to make the amarr logi something better in other areas where it was weak before with CCP Ratatti being part of the conversation.

They are also long.....and quite usually much more costly compared to Ambush . Completely taking away the only quick option for Vehicle and AV troopers is a bad BAD idea. The Ambush OMS separation was working fine. There are times I have 30 mins to play ....which is enough for three Ambushes to make some cash rather than one Ski/Dom to make much less.

If vehicles are not entitled to be in every mode...

Can AV be banned in skirmish?

If vehicle pilots can't kill infantry in ambush, then it's only fair that infantry (AV) can't kill vehicles in a different game mode. Simple

The A-logi is the only one that has this unique layout. Where is the call for a grenade commando, or a sidearm heavy. Being unique is not reason enough, nor is a swarm - sidearm logi a necessity for intricate game balance.

The plan is to make logis better at what they do with good module efficacy bonuses.

Voice your opinion but don't speak for the community. I'm sure there are some amarr logi's that are excited about becoming more logi and less assault.
From what you described wouldn't having another equipment slot help you farm war points by being able to carry more uplinks? I don't know how I feel about the speed Nerf, my cal logi is already noticeably slower than my assault counterparts. For the cal logi role, I wouldn't want to be so slow I couldn't keep up with an advance and not be able to put down my hives at the right time/good spot.

We could play rewind theater and show how much people cried about being short changed an equipment slot for a side arm and how stupidly odd it was for Amarrs to getting side arms as it made no sense back then. These complaints made at the apex of the slayer logi mind you. I mean you're 2 slots down from everyone else. Those modules slots are the most excessively heaviest stat in the game; side arm is one of the weakest slot weights as well because the overall dps associated with that slot is the lowest of the three, and the fact the mere presence of the other slot further degrades that weight because you only got two hands. Also Logi is not the only viable AV class there, all classes are viable AV in their own ways. Many don't need to resort to using equipment slots or av weapons and all classes are nearly equally capable of killing every vehicle in the game right now.

The A-Logi with a sidearm was a mistake that shouldn't have been made in the first place. Similar to how shoving HAVs into this game without a proper role other than to blow **** up was a mistake that should not have happened in the first place.

Also ever heard of unpopular changes? This is one of them. The combined fact that so many players are adamant about the side arm speaks volumes as to why its wrong and needs to be changed. I am shocked not more players are not seeking to try to change CCP Rattati's mind over the lackluster bonus that expires after you die.

So if you're so much of an expert.

Under the altered amarr logi slot layout

I want you to exactly tell me what would make it inferior to all the other races logistics; stat per stat.

So give it a bonus the commando already has? No thanks

I'm a proto amarr commando and I don't want assaults to have that skill because the only thing commandos have going for them is 2 lights. And giving amarr assault a damage and heat build up bonus will be as broken as Rihanna's jaw bone.....

There have been so many good suggestion that it's hard to choose.

Make the reload speed something worth a crap. Not 2 or 5 or even 10% per level, make it 20%, get Assaults reloading at 2x everyone else. I never understood why CCP is so scared of the "slide of hand" perk

Give them extra damage, just because you gave it to the commando, does mean it doesn't belong on the Assault

Give them regen bonuses that help them get back in battle faster for their respective Tanks

Give them and extra grenade and a bonus to splash radius, damage, and distance they can throw them

Give them back their extra equipment slot at Proto

Give them Range and Acuracy bonuses at both Hipfire and ADS that is enough that you feel the difference. I want to be dropped by an Assault st 80m by a plasma rifle and a RR at 150m if he's good enough to hit me.

The Assaults are should attract the players that want to be just straight killers, players who have the best gun game. The pure FPS players who treasury Gun game and K/D above all else. Their perks should support that. The problem is that most of the differences we are used to, like the reload bonus, or the accuracy bonus aren't pronounced enough to make a real difference in your gun game. Think of the 2 bonus that are rejoiced the most, min and amarr, which both equate to what 3 to 5 more trigger pulls? But we LOVE them not because they are so great, but because they are just so much greater than the other BS bonuses. Give me a Gal Assault that can reload a mag damn near as fast as I can switch to my sidearm and watch the gun gamers rejoice. Let me out range you because I'm a damn Assault and that's what I'm trained to do and see for once, finally, QQ threads about Assaults suits being OP. THAT is what the Assault class needs, bonus that do the same thing for their gun game that the scout changes did for their stealth game.



I fiddle with Gal Assault and I think it's op. It's quite sick IMO. It's just very under utilized.