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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:37:00 -
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I don't really mind having seven slots on my Amarr Logi, though I would like a fourth equipment.
But if the cost of that (of either of those) is my sidearm, I don't want it.
My sidearm is only valuable in niche situations, and offers a point of difference from the other logis.
CCP Rattati ily!
AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
CalLogi, you're next!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
4124
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:56:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Removing the A Logis sidearm?? Please no! Who is asking for this? This was the best part of this suit and the only reason I skilled it. What is it taking away from? Not the Amarr Assault. Everyone I've read has agreed forever that that except for the slot issue (which was fixed right?) the Amarr Assault was the only Assault that was working as intended (good bonus anyway).
Look, I have all 4 Logis, and play all but the Cal, that sidearm is the only reason to play that suit! I'll run a min for the speed and slot layout, or a Gal for the Tank, slot layout and bonus every time over the Amarr Logi, if not for that sidearm.
And why would you slow us down?? We already have Massive stamina disadvantages, our speed is required to keep us in support of our close surroundings.
Look, buff assaults please, they need it, but not at the expense of the Logis. Give the assaults weapon bonus that make since, give them some more speed and stamina if you thing the amount they have already isn't enough, but don't further nerf the Logis. Remember we took a Massive hit earlier this year with the loss of out rep bonus and nerf to equipment giving us bonuses that tried to lock us into specific roles. Most of us rightfully complained about that. I thought that was enough. Didn't that take us off the nerf bat radar? I don't see massive amounts of threads about the slayer Logis anymore, and I don't see them in game. Now all I see are these death balls of 3 Logis repping each other and 1 or 2 heavies.
I think the sad part here is that there isn't more uproar over this because all the old "slayer Logis" had the biggest mouths left for scout suits leaving the real Logis behind to quietly fend for themselves. I'm sorry but our data shows that logis outnumber assaults by a huge margin. Nothing about this change will make logis worse at being logis. CCP Rattati, please correct me if I'm wrong, but has not the community expressed time and time again to please not try to make a suit more attractive by forcing them out of another suit? Don't buff the Assaults by further nerfing the Logis, that's not going to create more Assaults, it's going to create more Scouts. What are your numbers showing? That on average more players are playing Logi and scorning more kills than Assaults, or just that in the Medium Frame world, Logis FAR out number Assaults? If the latter is the case could it be that it's far easier to run around with a rep tool attached to a heavy than it is to kill something with an Assault? If you make these changes you may get the desired number of Less Logis on the field, but I doubt they are going to shift to the Assault world. That's not making Assaults happy, that's upsetting one of the largest portions of your player base!
This.
I'll just be taking Amarr Sentinel to proto instead of CalLogi as I'd planned, and then moving to Amarr Scout and Commando eventually to round out the suite.
I'll still not use my assault any more than I do already (which is to say never unless I'm in squad with multiple slayer scouts).
CCP Rattati ily!
AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
CalLogi, you're next!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:10:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Also, might be beating a dead horse, but I really think the Amarr logi should keep the sidearm and not gain the equipment, it would be a fair tradeoff for having less equipment than other logis, and thus balanced.
I can adapt to the loss of the sidearm if I need to though, I have a proto Amarr logi, and I don't think the changes would be too disruptive.
Also, you reeeeaaaally should put the high/low slot thing in the original post, would have saved me a lot of typing about the slot inequalities.
I want the sidearm, that's a given. But I would prefer an equipment to a mod slot; improve my logi, not my slaying.
CCP Rattati ily!
AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
CalLogi, you're next!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
4127
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Eko Sol wrote:
WE DON'T WANT MORE EQUIPMENT AND MODULE SLOTS. We want our god damn Side Arm. You are CPM. You are supposed to support the masses whether you agree or not. Fight for us and not your warped sense of appealing to CCP.
You don't play. You know what. Look up my monthly numbers already. Look where I am at. I play 65% AV right now so the lack of kills is from redrats jumping out of drop ships I shoot down. I run A-Logi a lot and get WP for my fast uplinks thus high WP.
I have tons of WP from completely legitimate playing. I got over 5k WP today from forging and swarming vehicles and some uplinks. 2nd place was Southpac at almost 5k. 3rd place was about 1300 wp. We had top kills as well. We had great KDR. We push to be the best players we can be no matter how terrible our blueberries are. You should not be arguing with a player that puts this much AUR, Time, and effort into this game. Maybe CCP Ratatti can post the hours I play. Yes, I currently have no life while trying to save money but that fully justifies why players like myself and others who put in the hours should be listened to and supported.
All of the logis are fine. The speed nerf is a maybe for me. Fine, just don't change anything else. Start more conversation topics and do the changes in delta.
DEFEND US IWS. Not one person has provided feedback and said "can't wait till my A-Logi loses it's side arm and gets modules and equipment". Not one.
I stand by the fact that I should AT LEAST keep the current layout for AUR gear if I don't get a respec. I'll eat the money (I don't want to) if I get a respec.
We could play rewind theater and show how much people cried about being short changed an equipment slot for a side arm and how stupidly odd it was for Amarrs to getting side arms as it made no sense back then. These complaints made at the apex of the slayer logi mind you. I mean you're 2 slots down from everyone else. Those modules slots are the most excessively heaviest stat in the game; side arm is one of the weakest slot weights as well because the overall dps associated with that slot is the lowest of the three, and the fact the mere presence of the other slot further degrades that weight because you only got two hands. Also Logi is not the only viable AV class there, all classes are viable AV in their own ways. Many don't need to resort to using equipment slots or av weapons and all classes are nearly equally capable of killing every vehicle in the game right now. The A-Logi with a sidearm was a mistake that shouldn't have been made in the first place. Similar to how shoving HAVs into this game without a proper role other than to blow **** up was a mistake that should not have happened in the first place. Also ever heard of unpopular changes? This is one of them. The combined fact that so many players are adamant about the side arm speaks volumes as to why its wrong and needs to be changed. I am shocked not more players are not seeking to try to change CCP Rattati's mind over the lackluster bonus that expires after you die. So if you're so much of an expert. Under the altered amarr logi slot layout I want you to exactly tell me what would make it inferior to all the other races logistics; stat per stat.
You know why people complained about it back then? Every single A-logi was penalised but only one had the sidearm.
Why are we up in arms about our sidearm? Because he has given no good reason to remove it. All he said was 'logis outnumber assaults'.
Yeah, like nerfing my logi will drive me to my Assault. I'll hang out in my scout, thanks.
CCP Rattati ily!
AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
CalLogi, you're next!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
4127
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:39:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Also, might be beating a dead horse, but I really think the Amarr logi should keep the sidearm and not gain the equipment, it would be a fair tradeoff for having less equipment than other logis, and thus balanced.
I can adapt to the loss of the sidearm if I need to though, I have a proto Amarr logi, and I don't think the changes would be too disruptive.
Also, you reeeeaaaally should put the high/low slot thing in the original post, would have saved me a lot of typing about the slot inequalities. I want the sidearm, that's a given. But I would prefer an equipment to a mod slot; improve my logi, not my slaying. But there are two other logis with extra equipment, if you wanted the equipment over a sidearm, why not go min/gal? We specced amarr for a reason, that reason was links (broken atm) and a sidearm. Thats it...
This is what I meant; to expand, I don't want my logi to be a slayer suit. Adding a slot and keeping the sidearm is heading in that direction.
I would much rather keeping the sidearm for self-defence and having another equipment slot to round out my layout.
CCP Rattati ily!
AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
CalLogi, you're next!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.10 02:02:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:B-F M wrote:
Check out the fit I posted, it's totally viable, has just under 500eHP while still maintaining vastly above average situational awareness, speed, damage and a low profile.
They are rare, but I'm surprised (and envious) you've not come up against them.
I can understand that and all but I can get that on a Hunter scout in my lows alone . That's what I mean , I understand you but to me that's just not bricking ... not real bricking .
This is a bricked scout.
CCP Rattati ily!
AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
CalLogi, you're next!
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