You earn 3000 SP from a match after the weekly cap. With a Skill Booster, you earn 1500 extra SP; without you earn 1000 extra SP.

How can you earn 3000 SP after the weekly cap? After the cap, you can only earn 1000, right?

How can you earn 3000 SP after the weekly cap? After the cap, you can only earn 1000, right?

Is this whole thing pretty much a case of "dont cap untill the event" ?

Who the heck suggested making it shorter? The last thing we need is for it to only cater to people who have time to cap a character in one day, and screw those of us who play throughout the week. This also tells those people they shouldn't play at all at the start of the week, so they don't waste their cap.

I am frankly amazed this passed any sort of check to prevent CCP from being stupid. It's missing the one piece of feedback we've all universally agreed is needed, and put in a bunch of things that screw everyone else.

One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event.

Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!

One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event.

Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!

Actually, if you play AT ALL before the event, you lose out. CCP figured out how to kill their most active two days of their game for the week.

Hmm... You guys raise some salient points that might have been overlooked. I'll confer with Cmdr Wang about these issues and see what he says; I might have gotten some wording wrong about it.

Hmm... You guys raise some salient points that might have been overlooked. I'll confer with Cmdr Wang about these issues and see what he says; I might have gotten some wording wrong about it.

Are you guys spying on me or something. Of the last six months and this next weekend, the ONLY SP events to occur will have been during the ONLY weeks/weekends I am out of town...creepy .

Everyone loves Skill Points

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I took that week off work partly to enjoy 1.4. Please don't penalize me for playing Wed-Fri. It would be very punishing to force me to sit on my hands all week and then attempt to cap out in two days.

You could play with an alt? It would be like working in reverse of how you'd do it normally where you cap your dude early, and then complain on the weekend. You could just complain ahead of time as if it WAS the weekend, but then start with your main on the weekend!

Alternatively, what about an SP event where the SP you earned with one alt, could also be multiplied to the rest of them. So you could bill it as a potentially 3x to 9x SP event, but you'd have to cap 2 alts and your main if you wanted all that SP.

I believe the whole we don't want to play 7 days to reach benefit feedback has been misunderstood. For example, the last event was effectively double the cap with close to the same SP gain per match, thus it took almost twice as long to reach cap. Thus, we don't want events that take 7 days to complete. In short, we want events that take less time to complete when we have time to complete them. Maybe that makes sense?

Bonus SP doesn't count toward your SP cap.

From how I interpreted the event (and from what has been stated here), it seems that the way to maximize your SP gain from this event is to not play on Wednesday and Thursday, and to only play ambushes from Friday - Sunday with the specific goal of not exceeding 3000 SP per match. Exceeding 3000 SP will mean depleting your cap faster without any reciprocal bonus event SP. So play a lot of games but don't do too well or you're shorting yourself SP... an interesting style of gameplay you're inadvertently promoting with this event, CCP.

After capping, your extra event SP will be equal to your normal SP per match, so assuming you can consistently score high on ambushes, this is still the best game mode to maximize SP potential. The actual warpoint to SP conversion will still be 1:1 unlike past SP events, but since whatever you gain will be doubled up to the soft cap, this will lead to more points gained for the same time invested. This is when you should try your hardest to meet or exceed the 1000 WP soft cap per match.

I just did the math and assuming I take Friday off of work and cap out on that day, I should be able to earn around 940K SP from active play alone, so with my Omega passive that'll be 1.082 mil SP in three days time. It's going to be a grueling grind, but probably easier than the last 2x SP event.

How can you earn 3000 SP after the weekly cap? After the cap, you can only earn 1000, right?

One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event.

Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!

Yeah this feels like it forces me to play non-stop over three days, instead of at a more leisurely pace over seven (or six or whatever).

It also means I won't be playing on the Weds, Thurs and Fri before Friday downtime so I can maximise any SP I get. If I do manage to cap, I probably won't be playing after I've capped either.

If you want to do shorter events, then could try something along the lines of a free special active booster that can only be activated during a certain window (like any time in a specific week). This would only work for a certain number of matches.

You could do all sorts with that, like make it only work for ambush, or make it work for 10x ambush and 10x skirmish. You'd also get different ppl earning bonus points at different times, which might balance out pub-stomping as well as give ppl the flexibility of when they activate.

I dunno, I'm sure there's loads of things you could do that feel like a more balanced mechanic. That all said however, thanks for the chance for more SP, even if I don't get the reasoning behind the mechanics of it.

Checking some math and it looks like I'll have to start AFKing in ambushes instead of playing them to keep under the 3k SP limit.

From my experience, the average ambush lasts 8 minutes, but can range from 6-12 minutes, and with the current formula [5x(seconds alive in match)+WP = SP] that doesn't leave much of a margin for earning additional WP from PVP actions in game, without exceeding the limit.

Who wants to join me in a nice LLAV tour near the redline?

Ummm..... I don't know what your smoking dude. Hitting the limit maximizes the amount of points you could possibly make. In other words, only the first 3000 SP you earn in a match will be doubled. so ill give you an example. You complete a match and earn 4000 SP. Only 3000 of that gets doubled, so now you get 4000 SP + 3000 more. If you have an SP booster on, then you would get an additional 2000 SP on top of the 7000 you just earned. Creating a sum total of 9000 SP.

Hitting the max is what you should be trying to do..... not avoid. By redlinine camping you would just be losing out while everyone looks at you and goes "wtf is he doing?"

I think what he means is every point over 3000 in one match he earns is points he didn't get bonus for. But these points still counts toward his cap, so they're "lost" from earning him bonus. I'd assumed he mean't his optimal SP total from a single match is 3000. Not less than.

One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event.

Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!

Can anyone even remember why we have an sp over time setup in the first place ... with a proper matchmaking system will it still be necessary ?

Best I can figure it was to reward those that weren't so good and struggled to get a couple hundred wp while others were getting a few thousand ... surely a better matchmaking and improvements to rewards for DS pilots etc. should see a more even distribution of the wp in a match and therefore less need for sp over time !

Unless anyone knows any other reasons for it ?

We don't have a working matchmaking system, nor do we have a balanced WP reward system. Thus we can't rely upon performance measures for SP purposes.

We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)

Look ccp def needs some CONSTRUCTIVE critiquing every now and then. BUT TO ALL YOU LAME DOUCHES WHO JUST GET UP HERE AND TALK A BUNCH OF CRAP, YOUR ALL f#(% IN THE HEAD.
I LOVE this game and YOUR playing it so im guessing you do to, plus its FREE why dont you sit back enjoy your free game and realize that anything that they do to improve just means your getting more of your moneys (that you probably didnt ( or mabye did ) spend) worth out of it. so quit your whining and hey if you get killed by a vehicle going 3 mph, its okay to be like hey yo your lav needs a buffer. but dont be a deck about it.


YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT THANK YOU FOR THE EVENT CUZ WE ALL NEED THE EXTRA POINTS . IT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR BUT SCREW IT YOU HAD ME AT EXTRA!

i haven't understood one post about this sp event yet. please just tell me the optimal way to get the most sp without making it too complicated. i learn by doing not reading or watching. thank you in advance

We don't have a working matchmaking system, nor do we have a balanced WP reward system. Thus we can't rely upon performance measures for SP purposes.

One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event.

Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!

That's what he said, you earn 3000 SP worth of experience, however because of the weekly cap, you only get 1000 + an additional 1000 or 1500 based on weather you have a booster on or not.

We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)

Dude I've dropped over 200 on this game don't talk to me about free, this event is bad and as a paying customer I intend to voice that. Maybe they need us complaining to get it right.

I just AFKed in 4 ambushes and here are my results:

50 clone - Alive time 6:56, 2228 SP before booster

80 clone - Alive time 10:08, 2788 SP before booster

50 clone - Alive time 5:50, 1948 SP before booster

80 clone - Alive time 11:04, 3264 SP before booster

All I did in these rounds was to find a corner in the redline and sit on my ass.

So, CCP, if the match drags out passed around 10 minutes, then even AFKers exceed the SP cap for this event. Any player actually trying to get points is punished by doing so since they are prematurely exhausting their cap without any bonus earned.

You have designed an event that encourages AFKing, and potentially quitting a match early, to maximize the SP gained.

Can we get rid of the 3000 SP limit already?

So the optimal strategy is...

• Everyone jumps into an ambush match and sits around roasting marshmallows on their lasers and singing kumbaya for 10 minutes.
• Everyone quits the game.
• Repeat 66 times.

This is only the optimal strategy if everyone in Dust 514 wants to gain mega SP; I wish people wouldn't resort to these methods to get SP, but when the game is as incomplete as this and as lackluster without content compared to many other games (not to mention terrible events like this that don't even really contribute any fun or creativity), then your game is bound to be exploited by the best of the Dust 514 community.

There will be people who will make so much SP from this than people who check the forums irregularly...

Who the heck suggested making it shorter? The last thing we need is for it to only cater to people who have time to cap a character in one day, and screw those of us who play throughout the week. This also tells those people they shouldn't play at all at the start of the week, so they don't waste their cap.

I am frankly amazed this passed any sort of check to prevent CCP from being stupid. It's missing the one piece of feedback we've all universally agreed is needed, and put in a bunch of things that screw everyone else.

Not to mention its opening weekend of the NFL. Good luck with that guys. Speaking of which guess I won't get the benefit, as I will be at a game.

H+íkarl 514

CCP, why do you serve this event, only to laugh about my face?


Please cancel this event.

I only want to enjoy and explore the 1.4 patchlog changes next week. Talking about improvements, configure my controller again and cursing about mistakes in corp chat.

I just AFKed in 4 ambushes and here are my results:

50 clone - Alive time 6:56, 2228 SP before booster

80 clone - Alive time 10:08, 2788 SP before booster

50 clone - Alive time 5:50, 1948 SP before booster

80 clone - Alive time 11:04, 3264 SP before booster

All I did in these rounds was to find a corner in the redline and sit on my ass.

So, CCP, if the match drags out passed around 10 minutes, then even AFKers exceed the SP cap for this event. Any player actually trying to get points is punished by doing so since they are prematurely exhausting their cap without any bonus earned.

You have designed an event that encourages AFKing, and potentially quitting a match early, to maximize the SP gained.

Can we get rid of the 3000 SP limit already?

You're assuming that most folks who spend most of their time playing a first-person shooter will take time off to watch a game of athletes smashing into each other, suffer concussions, and later filing a class-action lawsuit against the NFL. Yeah, I'll stick to Dust, thank you.

Have you read the patch notes lately? There will be some anti-AFK measures in place.

i haven't understood one post about this sp event yet. please just tell me the optimal way to get the most sp without making it too complicated. i learn by doing not reading or watching. thank you in advance

Yeah AFK isn't really the right phrase, but it's an easy (and trendy I guess) way to say 'avoid gaining active sp in battle' ... I suppose it's one way to test functiionality of these anti-AFK measures ... give us an event that promotes the 'hunt for a loophole'

Should have just called apples apples and given an extra bonus sp for finding ways round it lol.

One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event.

Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!

People complained it took 7 days to cap because for the 2x SP event you didn't double the passive in game SP, so the grind time was almost twice as long to cap.
As such, what you SHOULD do if you want to allow ease of access to event rewards, is extend the event, not shorten it to 3 days, which forces you to wait the weekdays then powergrind to cap.
Instead you should make the event last for 2 weeks, starting on cap reset, ending on cap reset. but you can keep the overall bonus SP pool from event, the same. This way players feel less inclined to power grind, as they can get the rewards over a 2 week span.

Have you read the patch notes lately? There will be some anti-AFK measures in place.

Are you guys spying on me or something. Of the last six months and this next weekend, the ONLY SP events to occur will have been during the ONLY weeks/weekends I am out of town...creepy .

We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)

I think limiting the bonus to warpoints only would probably result in less of a bonus than the bonus in the current event paramters, but I haven't worked out the math on it yet. It would definitely not benefit newer and/or less skilled players who can't regularly exceed 1000 WP per battle.

Just keep in mind that there might be some secret algorithm to the anti-AFK mechanic. One of the devs (I forgot which) mentioned that that it will be rubber band proof in some way. By rubber band proof they could mean that the system might be able to tell the difference between a player trying to walk to an objective and a player just walking endlessly into a wall in the MCC because the player put a rubber band on his DS3.

I am just going to call in my indestructible murder taxi and drive around every ambush map. ill try not to run anyone over.... just drive.

Caldari Bootcamp is a serious challenge for serious people. Do you want to improve upon yourself to better take advantage of 1.4? Are you ready to test yourself? I hope so! This is going to be a lot of fun! Please read the details of this event where CCP Eterne lays it all out for you.

One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event.

Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!

Bad event due to the two extra levels of complication compared to previous events, which have the effect of limiting how and when you play:

- doesn't extend all week, so you have to avoid playing until the weekend or lose SP.
- only get bonus on 3,000SP, so you have to avoid Skirmish and Domination to maximize SP.

The upshot is that vets have less fun than usual, and newbs see the gulf between their SP and vet's SP widen as it's only the vets who've worked out CCP's crazy formula.

Still waiting on a response. How's it going, Shanghai?

This might better go in another thread but it's the event that set me to thinking about it...

There are a lot of reasons why marketing / game-design folks might not want to say outright why they are doing something...

• The reason might not be popular with clients even though it's thought to be in the best interest of the company
• Letting people know the objectives might bias them to behave in a way that changes the outcome of what they are trying out

And there are many times that the purpose is clear and it really doesn't need to spelled out...

• If a restaurant wants to build up Wednesday business they offer a special on Wednesday
• If they want more families to come in they discount kids meals

But for the life of me I can't figure out why CCP planned this and other events the way they did. And if they did have simple objectives, why did they choose not to share them?

If they wanted to draw new players in on the week end or
Get more players into ambush to test match making or
Get people excited about 1.4
Or .... who knows?

Why not just say...

"We want new players to come in on the week end. We will give characters with less than 2 million skill points a 3X bonus for every game they play. Older players could get some benefit by playing alts and trying out new weapons or play styles."

Or
"We want to really test the new matchmaking system so we want to load up ambush on the week end. Players will get a 1500 SP bonus for every ambush game they play during the week end no matter if they have capped or not."

Or
"We have a lot of new team play features in 1.4 and we want to have players try them out and give us statistics and feedback. Everyone who plays in a full squad for the whole game will get a 2000 SP bonus for the week after 1.4 is introduced."

Sure, people will still *****. But at least we'd know what what going on and could focus comments a bit more usefully.

I love it.... the event is a week away.... the thread was started at like 1 am on a Saturday, Shanghai time, and you posted this at like 1am Sunday Shanghai time....

Any idea what may be going on here....?

Chill. Be patient.

Think the critical time was "afternoon on a Friday" over in California (think that's where the 'business office' is right?) and yeah... it's Saturday. Don't expect anything until Tuesday lol.

We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)

You know, after I read about this event and the dev replies in this thread, I thought to myself "Oh boy, CCP did it again". But after some thinking, I believe we may all be misunderstanding this event.

What if instead of raising our cap and increasing our SP gains, this event simply lets us cap out faster by keeping our cap the same but increasing gains during those 3 days.

So at the end of the week (if not using a booster) 190k is the same amount we will get, regardless if we play during the first part of the week or on the weekend. But if you play during the weekend, reaching that 190k cap will be a lot faster.


This would seem to make sense based on the dev reply about us not wanting to have to grind for 7 days, cause if our gains are increased for 3 days but the cap isn't increased, we can actually play normally for 3 days and cap out, rather than playing normally for 7 days to cap.

Why the hell are these bonus SP events so damn confusing? Any other FPS is a simple "Double XP weekend" or some **** like that. WIth CCP, we need a whole god damn dev blog and intense forum scrutiny and interpretation to figure out what the hell is going on.

We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)

It is what it is. Me see I like. Goodbye.

Maybe we are confused by your wording? but it sounds like we have to earn all our SP during those days to get the benefit of all our SP being doubled?

Oh gosh... I'm so prepared for this event

Gonna be driving hours&hours my precious "90% damage reduction to shields" LLAV during 60+ ambushes
Just hope everyone is ready for my mother***** friendly tactics bitGé¼//Gé¼$ hahaha

just so you know the murder taxi are taking damage when running people over. plus that lav has 300 second cooldown for a 10 second pulse.

lol i read that wrong lol i think they fixed it to take full damage to the lav equaled to the person shield & armor

One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event.

Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!

it took less than 5 minutes for players to jump on how silly this event was planned out...it took 100 CCP man hours to come up with it.

If I understand correctly:
What does everyone else think of this? Is this accurate? Without any other pre-stated possible corrections or errors.


You earn 3000 SP from a match after the weekly cap. With a Skill Booster, you earn 1500 extra SP; without you earn 1000 extra SP.
For the Event:
So: 3000+Booster(+1500)=4500
So: 3000+No Boost(+1000)=4000

theres less than a hundred of them (less than 20 actually planning this, probably even fewer but diddnt want to underestimate)

and literally thousands of us

"100 man hours" does not mean a 100 people working, it means 100 hours of work.

Edit: just looked up the term "man-hours", I don't know what I'm talking about apparently.

i was more pointing out that it doesnt matter what they are doing and how much time they spend doing it, the sheer number of us observers testing their work WILL inevitably produce things they diddnt think of.


this would still be true even if they took an infinate amount of time to do so, and still be true as long as the number of people creating is less than the number of people consuming

there is no way to get 3000 after the weekly cap. you would only get 1000(plus 1000 4the event & another 500 w/ a booster) for
2000 w/o boster and 2500 w/ booster

Hmm... You guys raise some salient points that might have been overlooked. I'll confer with Cmdr Wang about these issues and see what he says; I might have gotten some wording wrong about it.

We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)

With 2 days to go, IGÇÖd very much like to know if I shouldn't be playing until the weekend or not...... Any word yet CCP?

Now, in regard to the weekly skill cap and the implications of it:

We acknowledge that the current implementation of the skill cap still isn't quite there yet. It doesn't quite allow people to choose when to play as freely as we would like, and it also adds some unnecessary complexity when it comes to using active boosters. This is why we are working our way towards a rollover SP system: instead having your pool of bonus SP being reset according to a fixed weekly cycle, you will steadily accumulate bonus SP to a pool over time that you can then empty through fighting in battles. As a result, everyone should be able to better choose when to come in and claim the available SP. Moving to such a system would have the added benefit of allowing us to make active boosters to give out a constant value over time by having them influence the rate at which SP accumulates into the pool instead of just multiplying SP received at the end of each battle.

With 2 days to go, IGÇÖd very much like to know if I shouldn't be playing until the weekend or not...... Any word yet CCP?

We have clarified the event details for easier understanding on how the SP event will work, you can check them out here.

We will also move the event start date forward so that it will begin on Wednesday, September 4 after downtime and end next Monday September 9 at downtime. We will give out the bonus SP from this event next Tuesday, September 10. .

Mainly, we've shortened the time scale, running over the weekend from downtime on September 6 until downtime on September 9

So, you're basically confirming that we need to confine ourselves to the horrible Ambush match type in order to maximize SP gain?

Because I normally play Domination, and average 4500/match w.o booster. According to the math, I would lose out on approx. 72,000 bonus XP. That's no small amount of XP.

Just thought I'd point that out. Unless the community at large is just playing Ambush, in which case I'll lose faith in this game, as I like to think of it as something a little better than just a COD Team-Deathmatch clone..

We will also move the event start date forward so that it will begin on Wednesday, September 4 after downtime and end next Monday September 9 at downtime.

We have clarified the event details for easier understanding on how the SP event will work, you can check them out here.

We will also move the event start date forward so that it will begin on Wednesday, September 4 after downtime and end next Monday September 9 at downtime. We will give out the bonus SP from this event next Tuesday, September 10. This should prevent players who play more frequently from being punished in the event due to hitting the weekly SP cap sooner.

I also want to explain the reason behind changing the length of the SP events. Previously, we are tied to a week long SP event due to the weekly SP cap being reset on Wednesdays. While we understand that the general consensus from the community is that longer events are preferred because they seem less grindy, we also want to offer more variety with events as many of you have requested.

While we are developing the required features to do the types of events that many of you have asked for (such as missions and LP type rewards) we want the ability to alter current events now. This Caldari Bootcamp event is one such effort. If successful, we will be able to do different types of SP events, instead of only offering week long ones. We aim to do shorter SP events but more frequently. We also want to do different types of SP rewards such as giving 5x SP for the first win of the day. This will depend on how well this event works out first, as we want to be sure that shortening the event duration will not adversly affect other game mechanics.

Another reason to do shorter events is logistics. We aim to do more events with shorter duration so we can increase their frequency as shorter events will be less taxing on the devs who do the support work. We also want to give more equality to casual players who may not be able to play all week in order to achieve the required event goals, so shorter events will help make furture events feel less grindy.

Lastly, reguarding why the SP bonus is capped at 3000 per match. This is in order for us to estimate the expected amount of SP that players can gain from this event. Since the bonus SP can still be earned even after the weekly SP cap is hit, we need to ensure that there is a limit on how much SP a player can earn from this event. What I can tell you is that if you play 100 matches over the course of the event and earn an average of 3000 SP per match (with boosters) before hitting the cap, and average 1000 SP per match after hitting the cap, then the amount of SP you can expect to earn is roughly equal to a week long Triple SP event. If you play an average of 14-16 matches a day and earn the same amount of SP per match as mentioned above, then you can expect to earn roughly the same amount of SP as a week long Double SP event. So I hope that many of you will see the benefit of doing such an SP event, you can earn the same amount of SP in less time than a conventional week long SP event.

In the meantime, enjoy the bonus SP from this week's event and I'll see you on the battlefield.

Just saying guys get out of the min/max mind set u play games for fun not not to move a bar a little more to the right just play the dam gamemodes you want.

This generation of gamers forgot what games are ment to be about :-(

Without booster (SP bonus is capped at 3000 per battle):

If base SP earned from a match is 1000, then you get 1000 +1000 (bonus)=2000SP (you get the bonus 1000 SP after the event)

If base SP earned from a match is 3000, then you can get 3000 +3000 (bonus)=6000SP (you get the bonus 3000 SP after the event)

If base SP earned from a match is from 3001 to 5000, then you can get 3001 to 5000 +3000 (bonus SP)= 6001 to 8000SP (you get the bonus 3000 SP after event)



With Booster (SP bonus is capped at 3000x1.5=4500 per battle):

If total SP earned from a match is 1000 (including booster bonus), then you get 1000 +1000 (bonus)=2000SP (you get the bonus 1000 SP after the event)

[b]If total SP earned from a match is 4500 (including booster bonus), then you get 4500 +4500 (bonus)=9000SP (you get the bonus 4500 SP after the event)[/b]

If total SP earned from a match is 5000 (including booster bonus), then you get 5000 +4500 (bonus)=9500SP (the user can get the bonus 4500 SP after the event)

We already said why the maximum of 3k SP per match is rather stupid and I fail to see how the "need to ensure that there is a limit on how much SP a player can from this event" has to result in the 3k maximum. You already have the 1k maximum after the weekly cap to ensure SP earnings are kept quite low. There is absolutely no reason for another limit beyond the 1k maximum.

SO: If I run boosters shouldn't I still be running Skirmish? I generally get right about 3000 + 1500 (booster) per skirmish and I generally get under that playing Ambushes.

What I can tell you is that if you play 100 matches over the course of the event and earn an average of 3000 SP per match (with boosters) before hitting the cap, and average 1000 SP per match after hitting the cap, then the amount of SP you can expect to earn is roughly equal to a week long Triple SP event. If you play an average of 14-16 matches a day and earn the same amount of SP per match as mentioned above, then you can expect to earn roughly the same amount of SP as a week long Double SP event. So I hope that many of you will see the benefit of doing such an SP event, you can earn the same amount of SP in less time than a conventional week long SP event.

We have clarified the event details for easier understanding on how the SP event will work, you can check them out here.

I still don't get it. Is it meant to be like a normal double SP event? All the metrics around are still confusing.
The standard double SP events make sense and don't require a blog full of convoluted examples.

The issue with event length isn't around it feeling grindy. You can still have an event that is a week long, but can simply set a low threshold for achieving the reward (your first 20 games of the week will earn you double SP).

Short events are worse for casual players than longer events, if you don't casually play on the 2-3 days the event was on, you miss out. It also means those that have real life clashes on the day miss out.

Are you sure you only get 4500 SP per skirmish including the booster? That seems incredibly low. I would have thought you'd get more than that just from being in the battle.

Whatever you may think about the mechanics of the event it does affect one major complaint for the period upto you cap.

The proto stomp.

Vet: I am not shooting him, you shoot him.
Vet 2: no way, I might exceed the 3000 SP for this match.

Noob: Skirmish - where is everyone.
Noob: Ambush - how come all these players are running away. I must be a badass as all these vets are easy to kill they do not even shoot back or hit me.

Whatever you may think about the mechanics of the event it does affect one major complaint for the period upto you cap.

The proto stomp.

Vet: I am not shooting him, you shoot him.
Vet 2: no way, I might exceed the 3000 SP for this match.

Noob: Skirmish - where is everyone.
Noob: Ambush - how come all these players are running away. I must be a badass as all these vets are easy to kill they do not even shoot back or hit me.

1-2 days later, maybe 3, the SP cap is met. Proto stomp commences. At least until you hit 1000 WP then you consider quitting the match and entering another one.

Of course if you do not care about SP then none of this matters.

.... Furthermore, the majority of players don't read the forums and probably won't realize that there is a bonus event going on if they don't see that they're getting extra SP. So this actually defeats the purpose of the event, i.e. to get more players logged in.

[quote=Ryme Intrinseca].
Also, why don't you give us some more perspective on the events you're planning to run?

If you exceed 3,000 SP, you still get the bonus, but it only applies to your first 3,000 SP. So if you get 3,050 base SP, you get (3,000x2)+50=6,050 SP, 50 more than someone who just gets 3,000 base SP. So no one is going to avoid getting kills. If anything, the protostomp will be heavier than usual, as vets grind more or come back for the event.

I formally apologize to anyone who may become infuriated with me for AFKing in ambush maps and contributing nothing to the team. Have to maximize the SP gain from the event after all.

I should also mention that I won't truly be AFK because I have to trick the new AFK countermeasures.

But what everyone is saying is that that extra 50 SP receives no bonus whatsoever. [snip]

I also want to explain the reason behind changing the length of the SP events. Previously, we are tied to a week long SP event due to the weekly SP cap being reset on Wednesdays. While we understand that the general consensus from the community is that longer events are preferred because they seem less grindy, we also want to offer more variety with events as many of you have requested.

Another reason to do shorter events is logistics. We aim to do more events with shorter duration so we can increase their frequency as shorter events will be less taxing on the devs who do the support work.

We also want to give more equality to casual players who may not be able to play all week in order to achieve the required event goals, so shorter events will help make furture events feel less grindy.

Lastly, reguarding why the SP bonus is capped at 3000 per match. This is in order for us to estimate the expected amount of SP that players can gain from this event.

So I hope that many of you will see the benefit of doing such an SP event, you can earn the same amount of SP in less time than a conventional week long SP event.

CCP Cmdr Wang, thanks for fixing the worst problem. However, the problem with the SP cap per match of 3000, is it makes Ambush the only viable game mode for the week.

We have clarified the event details for easier understanding on how the SP event will work, you can check them out here.


Lastly, reguarding why the SP bonus is capped at 3000 per match. This is in order for us to estimate the expected amount of SP that players can gain from this event. Since the bonus SP can still be earned even after the weekly SP cap is hit, we need to ensure that there is a limit on how much SP a player can earn from this event. What I can tell you is that if you play 100 matches over the course of the event and earn an average of 3000 SP per match (with boosters) before hitting the cap, and average 1000 SP per match after hitting the cap, then the amount of SP you can expect to earn is roughly equal to a week long Triple SP event. If you play an average of 14-16 matches a day and earn the same amount of SP per match as mentioned above, then you can expect to earn roughly the same amount of SP as a week long Double SP event. So I hope that many of you will see the benefit of doing such an SP event, you can earn the same amount of SP in less time than a conventional week long SP event.

In the meantime, enjoy the bonus SP from this week's event and I'll see you on the battlefield.

CCP here is what the dregs of our community are going to do for this event:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1250915#post1250915


hope you have a nice surprise for them....

But what everyone is saying is that that extra 50 SP receives no bonus whatsoever. Let's push the 50 SP example further. Let's say you get 4500 per match which is not unreasonable or unheard of (and I have boosters but this 1st example is without boosters for simplicity's sake). That equals, above the 3000, an extra 1500 SP you're (not) getting the bonus for per match. At 4500 per match it will take approximately 42 and 1/3 matches to hit your 190,400 weekly bonus cap (42.311111... by actual math). If I multiply that 1500 I'm not getting a bonus for over 42 matches it equals 63,000 SP that I'm not getting bonus for, while I DO receive an extra 126,000 (3000 x 42 = 126,000 x 2 = 252,000) over those same matches. Now say I only get the requisite 3000 per match, then it takes me approximately 63 and 1/2 matches to reach 190,400 (63.46666...7 by actual math). If I choose to string it out over these 63 matches, I get every point doubled (3000 x 63 = 189,000). So let's do the final math:

Example 1: 126,000 x 2 = 252,000 (doubled SP) + 63,000(extra NON doubled SP) = 315,000
Example 2: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP)

That's your 63,000 SP point difference, and that's without the booster bonus and only losing the bonus on an extra 1500 per round.

Let's look at it with the bonus using 4500(3000 + 1.5 active booster) as the minimum and 4500 x 1.5 (6750) as the hypothetical per match overage.
This time the 4500 a match takes 63 and 1/2 matches to reach the weekly bonus with boosters (190,400 x 1.5 = 285,600) (4500 x 63 = 283,500)
The 6750 this time takes 42 and 1/3. This time we're losing 2250 in bonus over 42 matches
(4500 x 42 = 189,000) + (2250 x 42 = 94,500 (non bonused))
So again, let's do the math plugging in the booster numbers:

Example 1: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP) + 94,500(extra NON doubled SP) = 472,500
Example 2: 283,500 x 2 = 567,000

That's your 94,500 point difference with the booster.

Bottom line, if you do minimally 1/2 better than the 3000 point bonus max w/o booster, or the 4500 bonus max w/booster per match, you lose out on 63,000 or 94,500 respectively. This is of course contingent on my correctly understanding how this double SP events works. All of this could be wrong in which case I'm just going to go to sleep as my brain is angry with me for making it work this hard on a holiday.