DUST Search - Announcement:Event: Experience Uprising 1.4 with the Caldari Bootcamp

CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:

Apison Valusgeffen wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

A'Real Fury wrote:

Whatever you may think about the mechanics of the event it does affect one major complaint for the period upto you cap.

The proto stomp.

Vet: I am not shooting him, you shoot him.
Vet 2: no way, I might exceed the 3000 SP for this match.

Noob: Skirmish - where is everyone.
Noob: Ambush - how come all these players are running away. I must be a badass as all these vets are easy to kill they do not even shoot back or hit me.

If you exceed 3,000 SP, you still get the bonus, but it only applies to your first 3,000 SP. So if you get 3,050 base SP, you get (3,000x2)+50=6,050 SP, 50 more than someone who just gets 3,000 base SP. So no one is going to avoid getting kills. If anything, the protostomp will be heavier than usual, as vets grind more or come back for the event.

But what everyone is saying is that that extra 50 SP receives no bonus whatsoever. Let's push the 50 SP example further. Let's say you get 4500 per match which is not unreasonable or unheard of (and I have boosters but this 1st example is without boosters for simplicity's sake). That equals, above the 3000, an extra 1500 SP you're (not) getting the bonus for per match. At 4500 per match it will take approximately 42 and 1/3 matches to hit your 190,400 weekly bonus cap (42.311111... by actual math). If I multiply that 1500 I'm not getting a bonus for over 42 matches it equals 63,000 SP that I'm not getting bonus for, while I DO receive an extra 126,000 (3000 x 42 = 126,000 x 2 = 252,000) over those same matches. Now say I only get the requisite 3000 per match, then it takes me approximately 63 and 1/2 matches to reach 190,400 (63.46666...7 by actual math). If I choose to string it out over these 63 matches, I get every point doubled (3000 x 63 = 189,000). So let's do the final math:

Example 1: 126,000 x 2 = 252,000 (doubled SP) + 63,000(extra NON doubled SP) = 315,000
Example 2: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP)

That's your 63,000 SP point difference, and that's without the booster bonus and only losing the bonus on an extra 1500 per round.

Let's look at it with the bonus using 4500(3000 + 1.5 active booster) as the minimum and 4500 x 1.5 (6750) as the hypothetical per match overage.
This time the 4500 a match takes 63 and 1/2 matches to reach the weekly bonus with boosters (190,400 x 1.5 = 285,600) (4500 x 63 = 283,500)
The 6750 this time takes 42 and 1/3. This time we're losing 2250 in bonus over 42 matches
(4500 x 42 = 189,000) + (2250 x 42 = 94,500 (non bonused))
So again, let's do the math plugging in the booster numbers:

Example 1: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP) + 94,500(extra NON doubled SP) = 472,500
Example 2: 283,500 x 2 = 567,000

That's your 94,500 point difference with the booster.

Bottom line, if you do minimally 1/2 better than the 3000 point bonus max w/o booster, or the 4500 bonus max w/booster per match, you lose out on 63,000 or 94,500 respectively. This is of course contingent on my correctly understanding how this double SP events works. All of this could be wrong Shocked

in which case I'm just going to go to sleep as my brain is angry with me for making it work this hard on a holiday.

So, with the math you've shown you max out your SP gain in 63 matches with no booster and 42 with a booster. Over 5 days that comes out to an average of 12 to 13 matches per day without boosters and 8 to 9 matches per day with boosters to get the same bonus as a double SP event. That is hardly a grind fest.

A calculation on how many matches will need to be played in a standard week long SP event in order to max out the SP bonus can be broken down like this: The assumption is the average player earns 3000 SP per match, which is what our data shows. Rambos who average higher are at the edge of the bell curve and isn't the best example to use when planning events for players of all types.

That comes out to 198,400/3000 (with no booster)=66 matches and 44 with booster. So this event is not trying to make you grind at all. What it does do is give you the chance to earn roughly the same amount of bonus SP as a triple SP event. The more you play, the more you earn, sounds pretty fair.

We will be watching the data on in-game activities from the event and see how this event affects play behavior. If indeed ambush becomes the predominate game mode played during the event, then we will use that data when planning for future events.


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D34NOS MAZDA Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2013.08.30 16:51:00 - [1] - Quote So if we cap out on wed & Thurs we are screwed and loosing potential bonus SP?!?!?!? Well I was looking forward to my time off work. Guess I might as well not play dust and go out somewhere say the pub
D34NOS MAZDA Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 84	Posted - 2013.09.04 11:52:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Whatever you may think about the mechanics of the event it does affect one major complaint for the period upto you cap. The proto stomp. Vet: I am not shooting him, you shoot him. Vet 2: no way, I might exceed the 3000 SP for this match. Noob: Skirmish - where is everyone. Noob: Ambush - how come all these players are running away. I must be a badass as all these vets are easy to kill they do not even shoot back or hit me. If you exceed 3,000 SP, you still get the bonus, but it only applies to your first 3,000 SP. So if you get 3,050 base SP, you get (3,000x2)+50=6,050 SP, 50 more than someone who just gets 3,000 base SP. So no one is going to avoid getting kills. If anything, the protostomp will be heavier than usual, as vets grind more or come back for the event. But what everyone is saying is that that extra 50 SP receives no bonus whatsoever. Let's push the 50 SP example further. Let's say you get 4500 per match which is not unreasonable or unheard of (and I have boosters but this 1st example is without boosters for simplicity's sake). That equals, above the 3000, an extra 1500 SP you're (not) getting the bonus for per match. At 4500 per match it will take approximately 42 and 1/3 matches to hit your 190,400 weekly bonus cap (42.311111... by actual math). If I multiply that 1500 I'm not getting a bonus for over 42 matches it equals 63,000 SP that I'm not getting bonus for, while I DO receive an extra 126,000 (3000 x 42 = 126,000 x 2 = 252,000) over those same matches. Now say I only get the requisite 3000 per match, then it takes me approximately 63 and 1/2 matches to reach 190,400 (63.46666...7 by actual math). If I choose to string it out over these 63 matches, I get every point doubled (3000 x 63 = 189,000). So let's do the final math: Example 1: 126,000 x 2 = 252,000 (doubled SP) + 63,000(extra NON doubled SP) = 315,000 Example 2: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP) That's your 63,000 SP point difference, and that's without the booster bonus and only losing the bonus on an extra 1500 per round. Let's look at it with the bonus using 4500(3000 + 1.5 active booster) as the minimum and 4500 x 1.5 (6750) as the hypothetical per match overage. This time the 4500 a match takes 63 and 1/2 matches to reach the weekly bonus with boosters (190,400 x 1.5 = 285,600) (4500 x 63 = 283,500) The 6750 this time takes 42 and 1/3. This time we're losing 2250 in bonus over 42 matches (4500 x 42 = 189,000) + (2250 x 42 = 94,500 (non bonused)) So again, let's do the math plugging in the booster numbers: Example 1: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP) + 94,500(extra NON doubled SP) = 472,500 Example 2: 283,500 x 2 = 567,000 That's your 94,500 point difference with the booster. Bottom line, if you do minimally 1/2 better than the 3000 point bonus max w/o booster, or the 4500 bonus max w/booster per match, you lose out on 63,000 or 94,500 respectively. This is of course contingent on my correctly understanding how this double SP events works. All of this could be wrong in which case I'm just going to go to sleep as my brain is angry with me for making it work this hard on a holiday. So, with the math you've shown you max out your SP gain in 63 matches with no booster and 42 with a booster. Over 5 days that comes out to an average of 12 to 13 matches per day without boosters and 8 to 9 matches per day with boosters to get the same bonus as a double SP event. That is hardly a grind fest. A calculation on how many matches will need to be played in a standard week long SP event in order to max out the SP bonus can be broken down like this: The assumption is the average player earns 3000 SP per match, which is what our data shows. Rambos who average higher are at the edge of the bell curve and isn't the best example to use when planning events for players of all types. That comes out to 198,400/3000 (with no booster)=66 matches and 44 with booster. So this event is not trying to make you grind at all. What it does do is give you the chance to earn roughly the same amount of bonus SP as a triple SP event. The more you play, the more you earn, sounds pretty fair. We will be watching the data on in-game activities from the event and see how this event affects play behavior. If indeed ambush becomes the predominate game mode played during the event, then we will use that data when planning for future events. Cmdr Wang boosters do not let you cap faster as they are a bonus on top of the CAP therefore will still take 64 games to cap with or without a booster.