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Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 145	Posted - 2013.08.30 19:27:00 - [61] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: I think what he means is every point over 3000 in one match he earns is points he didn't get bonus for. But these points still counts toward his cap, so they're "lost" from earning him bonus. I'd assumed he mean't his optimal SP total from a single match is 3000. Not less than. Correct. Going over 3000 SP in a match means you reach your cap faster without getting any additional bonus from the event, therefore if you want to get a full 2x your cap, you need to be at or under 3000 SP per match. Where are people getting the idea that only warpoints are doubled? What I've seen only references SP, not WP, until you cap anyway, at which point you'll need to maximize WP to reach the 1000 SP soft cap. The initial SP earned up to the 3000 is a combination of time in match and warpoints, and this amount will be given as a bonus by CCP at the end of the event. It's not based on warpoints alone as far as I can tell. Again, seems like the safest way to maximize your SP gains until you cap is to AFK ambushes to make sure you earn no more than 3k a match.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3565	Posted - 2013.08.30 19:33:00 - [62] - Quote Another event that is about as clear as mud. and we wonder why things aren't finished or balanced?
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 369	Posted - 2013.08.30 19:37:00 - [63] - Quote Can anyone even remember why we have an sp over time setup in the first place ... with a proper matchmaking system will it still be necessary ? Best I can figure it was to reward those that weren't so good and struggled to get a couple hundred wp while others were getting a few thousand ... surely a better matchmaking and improvements to rewards for DS pilots etc. should see a more even distribution of the wp in a match and therefore less need for sp over time ! Unless anyone knows any other reasons for it ?
Doc Browner Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 110	Posted - 2013.08.30 19:37:00 - [64] - Quote ouch, Thanks for telling me not to play daily. So now I will fall further behind that long time players. Plus the corp will lose the Tax income for two days
Doc Browner Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 111	Posted - 2013.08.30 19:44:00 - [65] - Quote could i get a free 3 day active booster to make up for the time lost Please
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 900	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:01:00 - [66] - Quote Awesome seeing the speedy replies from CCP on our concerns with this. Respectfully suggest that if you want to put in a triple SP event, please have it coinciding 100% with the SP reset system. The fact that it has NOT done this in the past has been the source of ALL grief. Seriously. There was the time when it overlapped one extra day and gave 2nd-week-triple-bonus to the very few that grind it out on Thursday. There was the time it started a day late and hamstrung anyone that had played AT ALL the day before. Seriously... just have it match the SP reset cycle. If it matches the SP reset week, then people can get their full triple SP before cap... most people aren't really concerned with the 3x SP after cap so it is not a matter of grinding it out. This preference for the event is completely unrelated to the proposed permanent "7-day cycle daily bonus" Having the EVENT last 7 days completely synched with the cap reset cycle gives us the maximum flexibility. Having the 7-day cycle reset on a single day of inactivity gives us NO flexibility. Shouldn't have used feedback from the latter to make decisions about the former. Make sense?
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 556	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:03:00 - [67] - Quote Holy $%&@!! Is that a proto Madrugar in the artwork with the brownish-redish lights?!
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 900	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:05:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Who the heck suggested making it shorter? The last thing we need is for it to only cater to people who have time to cap a character in one day, and screw those of us who play throughout the week. This also tells those people they shouldn't play at all at the start of the week, so they don't waste their cap. I am frankly amazed this passed any sort of check to prevent CCP from being stupid. It's missing the one piece of feedback we've all universally agreed is needed, and put in a bunch of things that screw everyone else. One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event. Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback! Please see my post just above this one. The 7-day cycle permanent bonus is completely different than a 3x SP event.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1988	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:35:00 - [69] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Again, seems like the safest way to maximize your SP gains until you cap is to AFK ambushes to make sure you earn no more than 3k a match. Can anyone even remember why we have an sp over time setup in the first place ... with a proper matchmaking system will it still be necessary ? Best I can figure it was to reward those that weren't so good and struggled to get a couple hundred wp while others were getting a few thousand ... surely a better matchmaking and improvements to rewards for DS pilots etc. should see a more even distribution of the wp in a match and therefore less need for sp over time ! Unless anyone knows any other reasons for it ? We don't have a working matchmaking system, nor do we have a balanced WP reward system. Thus we can't rely upon performance measures for SP purposes.
Kayla Michael Bhaalgorn Industries 1	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:37:00 - [70] - Quote It is what it is. Me see I like. Goodbye.

Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 369	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:52:00 - [71] - Quote Skihids wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Again, seems like the safest way to maximize your SP gains until you cap is to AFK ambushes to make sure you earn no more than 3k a match. Can anyone even remember why we have an sp over time setup in the first place ... with a proper matchmaking system will it still be necessary ? Best I can figure it was to reward those that weren't so good and struggled to get a couple hundred wp while others were getting a few thousand ... surely a better matchmaking and improvements to rewards for DS pilots etc. should see a more even distribution of the wp in a match and therefore less need for sp over time ! Unless anyone knows any other reasons for it ? We don't have a working matchmaking system, nor do we have a balanced WP reward system. Thus we can't rely upon performance measures for SP purposes. You seem to be misunderstanding tenses ... I was talking in the future tense with words like 'will it still be' and ' should see' ... you're talking in present tense 'We don't have' I see your error ! Edit : by the way, the patch notes are here if you haven't seen them ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104023
Shadow Of-Chaos Club Midnight 44	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:54:00 - [72] - Quote oops, wrong thread lol.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 576	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:59:00 - [73] - Quote I didn't think it was possible to receive feedback from 2 SP event and create a third that is worse. I'm mostly just disappointed. How can such good intentions turn so sour?
RECON BY FIRE Internal Rebellion 241	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:17:00 - [74] - Quote Dumb as usual. To get the max benefit out of this you have to play ambush since those matches typically generate 3k SP per match on average. No thanks.
fawkuima juggalo DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:20:00 - [75] - Quote Look ccp def needs some CONSTRUCTIVE critiquing every now and then. BUT TO ALL YOU LAME DOUCHES WHO JUST GET UP HERE AND TALK A BUNCH OF CRAP, YOUR ALL f#(% IN THE HEAD. I LOVE this game and YOUR playing it so im guessing you do to, plus its FREE why dont you sit back enjoy your free game and realize that anything that they do to improve just means your getting more of your moneys (that you probably didnt ( or mabye did ) spend) worth out of it. so quit your whining and hey if you get killed by a vehicle going 3 mph, its okay to be like hey yo your lav needs a buffer. but dont be a deck about it. YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT THANK YOU FOR THE EVENT CUZ WE ALL NEED THE EXTRA POINTS . IT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR BUT SCREW IT YOU HAD ME AT EXTRA!
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 683	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:21:00 - [76] - Quote seriously CCP...this is your dumbest event yet.... you reset cap on wed, but don't start an event for bonus sp till the weekend...so what? we just don't play till the weekend? is that what you want? an empty server till Saturday? then all the proto bears come out and stomp everyone, and the noobs have to subject themselves to that just to grind more sp? lol you guys are gonna frustrate a lot of people... its no surprise this was moonman wangs idea.... you wanna know what you should do? give everyone a 2 or 3 day active omega booster for an event like this and make it the full week. that would solve the troubles... people who cant grind 7 days and people who find the grind boring would be satisfied.
Soulja Ghostface THE NUCLEAR KNIGHTS 0	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:26:00 - [77] - Quote i haven't understood one post about this sp event yet. please just tell me the optimal way to get the most sp without making it too complicated. i learn by doing not reading or watching. thank you in advance
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 21	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:27:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: gbh08 wrote: Is this whole thing pretty much a case of "dont cap untill the event" ? Actually, if you play AT ALL before the event, you lose out. CCP figured out how to kill their most active two days of their game for the week. We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :) Can you all not hire 1 person who plays this game? Just one person with a ds3 controller could save so much.
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 93	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:32:00 - [79] - Quote Sooo... don't play until the weekend, and only AFK so that you don't lose out on the bonus SP. Edit: I had a comment on how the event should work, cause I thought I understood it, but now I don't think I do.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 21	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:32:00 - [80] - Quote fawkuima juggalo wrote: Look ccp def needs some CONSTRUCTIVE critiquing every now and then. BUT TO ALL YOU LAME DOUCHES WHO JUST GET UP HERE AND TALK A BUNCH OF CRAP, YOUR ALL f#(% IN THE HEAD. I LOVE this game and YOUR playing it so im guessing you do to, plus its FREE why dont you sit back enjoy your free game and realize that anything that they do to improve just means your getting more of your moneys (that you probably didnt ( or mabye did ) spend) worth out of it. so quit your whining and hey if you get killed by a vehicle going 3 mph, its okay to be like hey yo your lav needs a buffer. but dont be a deck about it. YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT THANK YOU FOR THE EVENT CUZ WE ALL NEED THE EXTRA POINTS . IT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR BUT SCREW IT YOU HAD ME AT EXTRA! Dude I've dropped over 200 on this game don't talk to me about free, this event is bad and as a paying customer I intend to voice that. Maybe they need us complaining to get it right.

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 972	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:32:00 - [81] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: i haven't understood one post about this sp event yet. please just tell me the optimal way to get the most sp without making it too complicated. i learn by doing not reading or watching. thank you in advance Don't play wednesday or thursday next week, but wait until after downtime friday. Then play Ambush only and make sure you get no more than 3k SP pre any equipped booster. Cap before downtime monday to achieve the maximum amount of SP. You can also get bonus SP after hitting the cap, so if you want, you can continue playing as much as you want until downtime monday. Of course, there's still time for CCP to change the event, so what I just said might not be the optimal way after all.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 577	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:33:00 - [82] - Quote The way I see it, in order to address the issues with this event I recommend 2 simple things: 1) the event occurs over a full 7 day period 2) the bonus applies to all SP awarded during a match - the 3000 SP limitation is removed This achieves 2 awesome things: 1) play any day that is convenient to you during the week 2) play any match type that you like, not just ambush (in order to min-max)
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 21	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:38:00 - [83] - Quote Skihids wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Again, seems like the safest way to maximize your SP gains until you cap is to AFK ambushes to make sure you earn no more than 3k a match. Can anyone even remember why we have an sp over time setup in the first place ... with a proper matchmaking system will it still be necessary ? Best I can figure it was to reward those that weren't so good and struggled to get a couple hundred wp while others were getting a few thousand ... surely a better matchmaking and improvements to rewards for DS pilots etc. should see a more even distribution of the wp in a match and therefore less need for sp over time ! Unless anyone knows any other reasons for it ? We don't have a working matchmaking system, nor do we have a balanced WP reward system. Thus we can't rely upon performance measures for SP purposes. The sp over time model helps the company to make money by encouraging the purchase of aur items you can't spec yet as well as boosters. That's the only reason it exists, and for all the crap I hate about ccp trying to make money isn't one.. Long live free enterprise..........
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 22	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:56:00 - [84] - Quote Omg we have got to get rid of these eve players from the cpm, the devs ears are filled with the whispers of space junkies, we need some boots on the ground mercs talking to ccp, these eveites have no clue. Ccp where ever your getting your advice stop listening to them please.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 723	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:16:00 - [85] - Quote Guys...it's a double sp event that only doubles up to 3000 sp in a match. After the cap, you only earn up to 1000 per match, so you can only earn up to 1000 bonus per match. ____________________ If you earn 1000 sp in a match, you get a bonus 1000 If you earn 3000 sp, you get a bonus 3000 If you earn 5000 sp, you get a bonus 3000 Bonuses are affected by the booster as well If you earn 1000 sp, you get a bonus 1500 If you earn 3000 sp, you get a bonus 4500 If you earn 5000 sp, you get a bonus 4500 ____________________ As for not playing until the weekend, I can understand that, but hopefully we will get our cap increased/reset when the event starts To people that don't understand that either...if you play during the few days before the event starts, you don't get any bonus sp...but if you grind on the 3 days you get bonus, you maximize your profits.
Torneido Achura The Suicide Kingz 19	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:17:00 - [86] - Quote There shouldnGÇÖt be passive sp during battles, only active in 4SP x 1WP (when matchmaking arrives), and for chris* sake come on I capped since yesterday : D Would like some explanation as to why the fu is so important to keep the AFK farming and those shi* restrictions to the weekly sp cap Why the heck canGÇÖt play whenever and all the time I desire? And btw, seven days are fine however set goals that can be done in 1-3 days, reward the quality of the players, put good goals, leveled goals, in GÇ£events with goalsGÇ¥; while GÇ£sp eventsGÇ¥ for only 3 days are fine, but it should be double sp events, thatGÇÖs hot
Agimus Bullet Cluster 0	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:17:00 - [87] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Who the heck suggested making it shorter? The last thing we need is for it to only cater to people who have time to cap a character in one day, and screw those of us who play throughout the week. This also tells those people they shouldn't play at all at the start of the week, so they don't waste their cap. I am frankly amazed this passed any sort of check to prevent CCP from being stupid. It's missing the one piece of feedback we've all universally agreed is needed, and put in a bunch of things that screw everyone else. One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event. Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback! Are you referring to the normal seven day cycle that exists for the normal weekly cap? I don't think anyone has a problem with that, so I wonder if the concern you're referring to has been misinterpreted. During the last SP event the cap was doubled, but the amount earned per game was the same. It was the extended cap, not the seven day cycle that was the problem. This meant that you had to play to your usual cap and beyond to even participate in the event, and if you wanted to optimize your SP earnings then you had to play twice the amount of time, in hours, as you would normally have to. This meant that only people who had a lot of free time could get to the intended bonus. This was different from the SP events we are use to where you play exactly as long as normal, but the games give three times the amount. Even if the games only gave twice the amount, I do believe the first and simplest system was the most appreciated by the players. It might have had critics, but there will always be critics and it was a far greater event than these new events. Also, the claim that this event would yield the same amount of SP as the last event is just false by my math, assuming I even understand what was described. When I read about this event I had the same exact concerns others here have had. As I tried to understand the way this event was being execute I automatically thought of how I would have to not play for the first days of 1.4 and how I was going to have to play nothing but ambush to maximize my benefit from this event. I thought I was crazy until I returned to this thread and read that everyone responding to it had the same concerns. What is worse is that those who have not read this thread will not know that there is an event and will almost have reached their cap by the time they even know there is an event. Another issue is that we're REPEATING mistakes that were JUST made. Wasn't there an emergency cap reset after we realized that a SP event didn't happen on the day of the usual cap reset? Some people lucked out big on that blunder, getting 6x SP while the rest of us got the intended 3x if I'm not mistaken. I do appreciate the effort and the attention to our feedback! In all of my experience as a gamer no other company is this involved with their players. The longevity of your games is a testament to that. Thank you!
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 2122	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:17:00 - [88] - Quote seriously... I want to say nice things about this game and its dev team but omg.... This is beyond dumb... I am not playing before the event starts and I will only be playing ambush. You guys remind me of a guy I met in college who was in my game programming class. He always came up with the worst ideas but he thought they were great. Its not this community that is bad, its these ideas. Your alienating your player base... Are you even thinking these things through? Try applying some common sense....
Shley Ashes the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 15	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:20:00 - [89] - Quote Maybe I'm a complete idiot, or I've caught stupid from reading the forums but the "Event" makes no sense to me is it double SP on your earned SP ? which means you cap quicker or is it increased weekly cap or ? I've read it, it's not clear, nice try though,
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 153	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:32:00 - [90] - Quote I just AFKed in 4 ambushes and here are my results: 50 clone - Alive time 6:56, 2228 SP before booster 80 clone - Alive time 10:08, 2788 SP before booster 50 clone - Alive time 5:50, 1948 SP before booster 80 clone - Alive time 11:04, 3264 SP before booster All I did in these rounds was to find a corner in the redline and sit on my ass. So, CCP, if the match drags out passed around 10 minutes, then even AFKers exceed the SP cap for this event. Any player actually trying to get points is punished by doing so since they are prematurely exhausting their cap without any bonus earned. You have designed an event that encourages AFKing, and potentially quitting a match early, to maximize the SP gained. Can we get rid of the 3000 SP limit already?



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