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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
823
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Posted - 2013.09.01 04:25:00 -
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my suggestions for a bonus sp weekend ---
1) sp event starts on friday, sp cap max increase set on wednesday 2) if a player caps out before friday it will not effect the sp they earn after wards. 3) keep it visual hiding it doesn't help at all -.-. 4) players gain an extra 2500(ambush)-5000(skirmish) bonus sp for every match they win during the weekend with over 5 kills or 800 war points. capping out at a maximum of 40 wins. 5) sp cap max left till weekly reset for players to reach if they couldn't make it during the weekend.
perks - 1) players can play the game before and after the event without effecting their overall cap, no advantage to grinding the event out quickly.
2) purpose is added to playing the game in a certain manor without just trying to grind sp or afk.
3)it's clear and transparent, very little room for error or problems to occur.
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Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
318
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Posted - 2013.09.01 06:30:00 -
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Why the hell are these bonus SP events so damn confusing? Any other FPS is a simple "Double XP weekend" or some **** like that. WIth CCP, we need a whole god damn dev blog and intense forum scrutiny and interpretation to figure out what the hell is going on. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
6
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:06:00 -
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Gigatron Prime wrote:Why the hell are these bonus SP events so damn confusing? Any other FPS is a simple "Double XP weekend" or some **** like that. WIth CCP, we need a whole god damn dev blog and intense forum scrutiny and interpretation to figure out what the hell is going on. Didn't think they could top the 'double SP event, by which we mean double the active component of active SP but no bonus for the passive component of active SP', but they've done it! |
Apison Valusgeffen
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
2
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Posted - 2013.09.01 09:09:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:gbh08 wrote:Is this whole thing pretty much a case of "dont cap untill the event" ? Actually, if you play AT ALL before the event, you lose out. CCP figured out how to kill their most active two days of their game for the week. We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)
I actually had this exact situation happen during the July 4th event. I wasn't going to be able to play much during that weekend following the July 4th holiday, so I attempted to burn through as much of my bonus SP as I could during that Wednesday, Thursday, & Friday (the 3rd, 4th, & 5th respectively). If I recall correctly, the event, (which I was clueless about until a random squad member at the time informed me of it) didn't begin until that weekend (Saturday the 6th). Well by this time I had grinded through all but about 6K of my bonus for the week. I thought I had thoroughly screwed myself out of a ton of bonus SP. The weekend came and I had a little free time, so I decided to log in and play a few rounds. I was pleasantly surprised to find that I had been given an additional 3X bonus SP (571,200) which I promptly began to burn through over the next 4 days. I went back and read the event announcement at the time which did indicate that if you used your bonus before the event, don't worry you would still be able to participate, or something to that effect. (Perhaps you could for repost the July 4th announcement for reference purposes Mintchip.) At any rate, the fact that I burned through so much SP before the event turned out to be a boon rather than a bust. Hopefully this is the case with this event as well, rewarding those who play during the days before the event rather than causing loss of potential SP or worse (gasp) making us wait 2 days to play!!! . Let us know something CCP. |
Apison Valusgeffen
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
2
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Posted - 2013.09.01 09:55:00 -
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Kayla Michael wrote:It is what it is. Me see I like. Goodbye.
Well said Pinky. Now on to our usual nightly business... TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
748
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Posted - 2013.09.01 10:41:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Who the heck suggested making it shorter? The last thing we need is for it to only cater to people who have time to cap a character in one day, and screw those of us who play throughout the week. This also tells those people they shouldn't play at all at the start of the week, so they don't waste their cap.
I am frankly amazed this passed any sort of check to prevent CCP from being stupid. It's missing the one piece of feedback we've all universally agreed is needed, and put in a bunch of things that screw everyone else. One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event. Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback! Maybe we are confused by your wording? but it sounds like we have to earn all our SP during those days to get the benefit of all our SP being doubled?
People complained about the extra grinding in the previous events.
Now we complaining about it being shorter? LOL! |
Torneido Achura
The Suicide Kingz
20
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:15:00 -
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Oh gosh... I'm so prepared for this event
Gonna be driving hours&hours my precious "90% damage reduction to shields" LLAV during 60+ ambushes I just hope everyone is ready for my mother***** friendly tactics bitGé¼//Gé¼$ hahaha |
WolfganGt3
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.01 12:59:00 -
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If I understand correctly: What does everyone else think of this? Is this accurate? Without any other pre-stated possible corrections or errors.
Examples:
You earn 3000 SP from a match and have a Skill Booster before you reach your weekly cap. You will earn an extra 4500 SP. For the Event: So: 3000+Booster(+4500)=7500 total sp for the match Mine: So: 3000+No Booster(+3000)=6000---Hypothetically Speaking this should be correct for the event.
You earn 1000 SP from a match before the weekly cap. With a Skill Booster, you earn an extra 1500 SP; without you earn an extra 1000 SP For the Event: So: 1000+Booster(+1500)=2500 So: 1000+No Boost(+1000)=2000
You earn 5000 SP from a match before the weekly cap. With a Skill Booster, you earn 4500 SP; without you earn 3000 SP. For the Event: So: 5000+Booster(+4500)=9500 So: 5000+No Boost(+3000)=8000
You earn 3000 SP from a match after the weekly cap. With a Skill Booster, you earn 1500 extra SP; without you earn 1000 extra SP. For the Event: So: 3000+Booster(+1500)=4500 So: 3000+No Boost(+1000)=4000
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jace silencerww
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
5
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:03:00 -
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Torneido Achura wrote:Oh gosh... I'm so prepared for this event Gonna be driving hours&hours my precious "90% damage reduction to shields" LLAV during 60+ ambushes Just hope everyone is ready for my mother***** friendly tactics bitGé¼//Gé¼$ hahaha just so you know the murder taxi are taking damage when running people over. plus that lav has 300 second cooldown for a 10 second pulse. |
jace silencerww
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
5
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:04:00 -
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jace silencerww wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:Oh gosh... I'm so prepared for this event Gonna be driving hours&hours my precious "90% damage reduction to shields" LLAV during 60+ ambushes Just hope everyone is ready for my mother***** friendly tactics bitGé¼//Gé¼$ hahaha just so you know the murder taxi are taking damage when running people over. plus that lav has 300 second cooldown for a 10 second pulse. lol i read that wrong lol i think they fixed it to take full damage to the lav equaled to the person shield & armor |
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Torneido Achura
The Suicide Kingz
20
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:22:00 -
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jace silencerww wrote:jace silencerww wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:Oh gosh... I'm so prepared for this event Gonna be driving hours&hours my precious "90% damage reduction to shields" LLAV during 60+ ambushes Just hope everyone is ready for my mother***** friendly tactics bitGé¼//Gé¼$ hahaha just so you know the murder taxi are taking damage when running people over. plus that lav has 300 second cooldown for a 10 second pulse. lol i read that wrong lol i think they fixed it to take full damage to the lav equaled to the person shield & armor
Friendly as in: no killing at all.. like in 60+ matches, u get it now? |
Dimmu Borgir II
Consolidated Dust
57
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Posted - 2013.09.01 21:12:00 -
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Please please please CCP... I implore you to extend this or at least have it during the week and not at the weekend as that's exactly when I cannot play!
I only have limited days that I can play dust and it's the only game i ever play, when I get the chance, so please don't punish the people that aren't on dust 24/7 by limiting this to a weekend... Please think about those dust addicts among us that have families and have other things to doon a weekend!
Thanks! If it's kept as it is, I'll get absolutely none of the bonus as this weekend in particular, I'll not be able to play even once! |
Dimmu Borgir II
Consolidated Dust
57
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Posted - 2013.09.01 21:15:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Who the heck suggested making it shorter? The last thing we need is for it to only cater to people who have time to cap a character in one day, and screw those of us who play throughout the week. This also tells those people they shouldn't play at all at the start of the week, so they don't waste their cap.
I am frankly amazed this passed any sort of check to prevent CCP from being stupid. It's missing the one piece of feedback we've all universally agreed is needed, and put in a bunch of things that screw everyone else. One of the concerns that came up in feedback about the 7 day cycle was that it meant people had to play every day to earn the maximum reward. So it's the same amount that you would get over 7 days, just condensed to 3. Allowing for a more concentrated weekend event. Give it a try, see what you think - we look forward to your feedback!
Hi Mintchip,
Please do everything possible to have this extended to at least include the Thursday and the entire Monday that bracket the weekend as they're the only two days I'll be able to play in the next week :( as I'm unable to play at weekends! There are many other players like myself that have responsibilities and families that cannot play at weekends! :(
Yours sincerely... begging... begging sincerely...
Cheers!! ;) |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
145
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Posted - 2013.09.01 21:24:00 -
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it took less than 5 minutes for players to jump on how silly this event was planned out...it took 100 CCP man hours to come up with it. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
564
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Posted - 2013.09.01 22:17:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:it took less than 5 minutes for players to jump on how silly this event was planned out...it took 100 CCP man hours to come up with it.
theres less than a hundred of them (less than 20 actually planning this, probably even fewer but diddnt want to underestimate)
and literally thousands of us
givin any action odds are players will always notice something devs did not just through sheer numbers.
but seriously they need to hire someone whos an expert in min maxing, hacking, boting, glitch exploration, and general exploitation of game mechanics.
that person would of taken one look at this and said "wait.... so in order to max this out you want me to not play? and when i do play you want me to be as usless as i can while not being kicked from the game?????"
this events focus is to encourage players to gain the least amount of SP out of a givin match to gain the most amount of SP over time.
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1411
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Posted - 2013.09.01 22:31:00 -
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WolfganGt3 wrote:If I understand correctly: What does everyone else think of this? Is this accurate? Without any other pre-stated possible corrections or errors.
You earn 3000 SP from a match after the weekly cap. With a Skill Booster, you earn 1500 extra SP; without you earn 1000 extra SP. For the Event: So: 3000+Booster(+1500)=4500 So: 3000+No Boost(+1000)=4000
there is no way to get 3000 after the weekly cap. you would only get 1000(plus 1000 4the event & another 500 w/ a booster) for 2000 w/o boster and 2500 w/ booster |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
168
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Posted - 2013.09.02 00:32:00 -
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CCP... Are you trolling us? Giving us a new patch to play with on Tuesday and then making us wait until Friday to play for this event? lulz |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
128
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Posted - 2013.09.02 02:36:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:RA Drahcir wrote:it took less than 5 minutes for players to jump on how silly this event was planned out...it took 100 CCP man hours to come up with it. theres less than a hundred of them (less than 20 actually planning this, probably even fewer but diddnt want to underestimate) and literally thousands of us
"100 man hours" does not mean a 100 people working, it means 100 hours of work. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
566
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Posted - 2013.09.02 03:04:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:RA Drahcir wrote:it took less than 5 minutes for players to jump on how silly this event was planned out...it took 100 CCP man hours to come up with it. theres less than a hundred of them (less than 20 actually planning this, probably even fewer but diddnt want to underestimate) and literally thousands of us "100 man hours" does not mean a 100 people working, it means 100 hours of work. Edit: just looked up the term "man-hours", I don't know what I'm talking about apparently.
i was more pointing out that it doesnt matter what they are doing and how much time they spend doing it, the sheer number of us observers testing their work WILL inevitably produce things they diddnt think of.
this would still be true even if they took an infinate amount of time to do so, and still be true as long as the number of people creating is less than the number of people consuming |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
456
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Posted - 2013.09.02 05:01:00 -
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Any update, CCP Eterne? |
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Kaom Heart
Academy Inferno CRONOS.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.02 05:25:00 -
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So I still dont get it: if I work out ALL the bonus SP BEFORE friday, does that mean that I actually lost a majority of extra SP (like it was during the one of the previous event) ? Or CCP adds some new cap at friday downtime?? |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
145
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Posted - 2013.09.02 05:51:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:medomai grey wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:RA Drahcir wrote:it took less than 5 minutes for players to jump on how silly this event was planned out...it took 100 CCP man hours to come up with it. theres less than a hundred of them (less than 20 actually planning this, probably even fewer but diddnt want to underestimate) and literally thousands of us "100 man hours" does not mean a 100 people working, it means 100 hours of work. Edit: just looked up the term "man-hours", I don't know what I'm talking about apparently. i was more pointing out that it doesnt matter what they are doing and how much time they spend doing it, the sheer number of us observers testing their work WILL inevitably produce things they diddnt think of. this would still be true even if they took an infinate amount of time to do so, and still be true as long as the number of people creating is less than the number of people consuming
CCP fanboy...reminds me of apple fans, oblivious to reason--- "BLASPHEMY!!!" |
WolfganGt3
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.02 07:09:00 -
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ladwar wrote:WolfganGt3 wrote:If I understand correctly: What does everyone else think of this? Is this accurate? Without any other pre-stated possible corrections or errors.
You earn 3000 SP from a match after the weekly cap. With a Skill Booster, you earn 1500 extra SP; without you earn 1000 extra SP. For the Event: So: 3000+Booster(+1500)=4500 So: 3000+No Boost(+1000)=4000
there is no way to get 3000 after the weekly cap. you would only get 1000(plus 1000 4the event & another 500 w/ a booster) for 2000 w/o boster and 2500 w/ booster
All right , I all ready new this was an error , I was just using the stated data, but at least I understand the math, now I need to know if I should play wednesday and thursday. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1581
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Posted - 2013.09.02 08:32:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Hmm... You guys raise some salient points that might have been overlooked. I'll confer with Cmdr Wang about these issues and see what he says; I might have gotten some wording wrong about it.
CCP Mintchip wrote:We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)
With 2 days to go, IGÇÖd very much like to know if I shouldn't be playing until the weekend or not...... Any word yet CCP? |
Chet Muffin
L.O.T.I.S.
3
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Posted - 2013.09.02 09:27:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:Hmm... You guys raise some salient points that might have been overlooked. I'll confer with Cmdr Wang about these issues and see what he says; I might have gotten some wording wrong about it. CCP Mintchip wrote:We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :) With 2 days to go, IGÇÖd very much like to know if I shouldn't be playing until the weekend or not...... Any word yet CCP?
Dear CCP, IMHO an easy fix would be to double the skill cap on wednesday and receive double skill points over the weekend. Unless of course, you only want to favor weekend ambush players with this event. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
57
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Posted - 2013.09.02 09:48:00 -
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CCP Nothin wrote:Now, in regard to the weekly skill cap and the implications of it:
We acknowledge that the current implementation of the skill cap still isn't quite there yet. It doesn't quite allow people to choose when to play as freely as we would like, and it also adds some unnecessary complexity when it comes to using active boosters. This is why we are working our way towards a rollover SP system: instead having your pool of bonus SP being reset according to a fixed weekly cycle, you will steadily accumulate bonus SP to a pool over time that you can then empty through fighting in battles. As a result, everyone should be able to better choose when to come in and claim the available SP. Moving to such a system would have the added benefit of allowing us to make active boosters to give out a constant value over time by having them influence the rate at which SP accumulates into the pool instead of just multiplying SP received at the end of each battle.
How about you answer this CCP Mintchip: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92596
You guys are making promises you can't keep, and digging yourselves deeper into a hole. |
deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
1
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Posted - 2013.09.02 10:27:00 -
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This event seems to be created just for testing the AFK system.
Assuming 7000 SP per match you cap out in roughly 27 matches making the potential bonus from capping out during the event 81,000 or 121,500 with booster making your total weekly gain 271,400 or 408,500 w/booster.
If you were to cap out before the event then play the same 27 matches during the event (with a max of 1000 or 1500 w/booster) then you gain 27,000 or 40,500 w/booster making a total on top of the cap of 54,000 or 81,000 w/booster making your total gain for the week of 325,000 or 489,500 w/booster the whole time, giving you a pretty big jump over the other players when it comes to moving up the skill tree.
Given its playing twice as much (or more), I still think the highest potential advantage of this event comes from capping out pre-event, by actually giving you something for playing good matches after capping out and moving you up the skill tree faster than normally playing past the cap.
Im
TL;DR = Do your AFK tours pre-event to cap out then enjoy reaping the benefits of good game play with all the people that come running for the event and know your getting an extra kick up the skill tree either way. |
Atom Heart Mother
We Who Walk Alone
39
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Posted - 2013.09.02 10:41:00 -
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What should we do? Are you really discouraging us to play from wed to friday?? comeooooon, awaiting clarifications, thanks |
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CCP Cmdr Wang
C C P C C P Alliance
2303
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:28:00 -
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We have clarified the event details for easier understanding on how the SP event will work, you can check them out here.
We will also move the event start date forward so that it will begin on Wednesday, September 4 after downtime and end next Monday September 9 at downtime. We will give out the bonus SP from this event next Tuesday, September 10. This should prevent players who play more frequently from being punished in the event due to hitting the weekly SP cap sooner.
I also want to explain the reason behind changing the length of the SP events. Previously, we are tied to a week long SP event due to the weekly SP cap being reset on Wednesdays. While we understand that the general consensus from the community is that longer events are preferred because they seem less grindy, we also want to offer more variety with events as many of you have requested.
While we are developing the required features to do the types of events that many of you have asked for (such as missions and LP type rewards) we want the ability to alter current events now. This Caldari Bootcamp event is one such effort. If successful, we will be able to do different types of SP events, instead of only offering week long ones. We aim to do shorter SP events but more frequently. We also want to do different types of SP rewards such as giving 5x SP for the first win of the day. This will depend on how well this event works out first, as we want to be sure that shortening the event duration will not adversly affect other game mechanics.
Another reason to do shorter events is logistics. We aim to do more events with shorter duration so we can increase their frequency as shorter events will be less taxing on the devs who do the support work. We also want to give more equality to casual players who may not be able to play all week in order to achieve the required event goals, so shorter events will help make furture events feel less grindy.
Lastly, reguarding why the SP bonus is capped at 3000 per match. This is in order for us to estimate the expected amount of SP that players can gain from this event. Since the bonus SP can still be earned even after the weekly SP cap is hit, we need to ensure that there is a limit on how much SP a player can earn from this event. What I can tell you is that if you play 100 matches over the course of the event and earn an average of 3000 SP per match (with boosters) before hitting the cap, and average 1000 SP per match after hitting the cap, then the amount of SP you can expect to earn is roughly equal to a week long Triple SP event. If you play an average of 14-16 matches a day and earn the same amount of SP per match as mentioned above, then you can expect to earn roughly the same amount of SP as a week long Double SP event. So I hope that many of you will see the benefit of doing such an SP event, you can earn the same amount of SP in less time than a conventional week long SP event.
In the meantime, enjoy the bonus SP from this week's event and I'll see you on the battlefield. |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1413
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:41:00 -
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if anyone is wondering the total from capping w/ boosters and never getting more then 3000 unboosted SP per match is 571,200 and w/o a booster its 380,800. and getting above 3,000 unboosted SP will cause that number to go down. thanks for clearing it up. |
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