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Apison Valusgeffen
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Posted - 2013.09.01 09:09:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:gbh08 wrote:Is this whole thing pretty much a case of "dont cap untill the event" ? Actually, if you play AT ALL before the event, you lose out. CCP figured out how to kill their most active two days of their game for the week. We're looking into this! We'd ideally want to make it so that you're not going to have a situation like this. I'd like to say that this isn't going to be an issue - but I'm going to want to confirm before promising anything. :)
I actually had this exact situation happen during the July 4th event. I wasn't going to be able to play much during that weekend following the July 4th holiday, so I attempted to burn through as much of my bonus SP as I could during that Wednesday, Thursday, & Friday (the 3rd, 4th, & 5th respectively). If I recall correctly, the event, (which I was clueless about until a random squad member at the time informed me of it) didn't begin until that weekend (Saturday the 6th). Well by this time I had grinded through all but about 6K of my bonus for the week. I thought I had thoroughly screwed myself out of a ton of bonus SP. The weekend came and I had a little free time, so I decided to log in and play a few rounds. I was pleasantly surprised to find that I had been given an additional 3X bonus SP (571,200) which I promptly began to burn through over the next 4 days. I went back and read the event announcement at the time which did indicate that if you used your bonus before the event, don't worry you would still be able to participate, or something to that effect. (Perhaps you could for repost the July 4th announcement for reference purposes Mintchip.) At any rate, the fact that I burned through so much SP before the event turned out to be a boon rather than a bust. Hopefully this is the case with this event as well, rewarding those who play during the days before the event rather than causing loss of potential SP or worse (gasp) making us wait 2 days to play!!!  . Let us know something CCP. |
Apison Valusgeffen
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Posted - 2013.09.01 09:55:00 -
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Kayla Michael wrote:It is what it is. Me see I like. Goodbye.
Well said Pinky. Now on to our usual nightly business... TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
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Apison Valusgeffen
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Posted - 2013.09.02 18:41:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Whatever you may think about the mechanics of the event it does affect one major complaint for the period upto you cap.
The proto stomp.
Vet: I am not shooting him, you shoot him.
Vet 2: no way, I might exceed the 3000 SP for this match.
Noob: Skirmish - where is everyone.
Noob: Ambush - how come all these players are running away. I must be a badass as all these vets are easy to kill they do not even shoot back or hit me. If you exceed 3,000 SP, you still get the bonus, but it only applies to your first 3,000 SP. So if you get 3,050 base SP, you get (3,000x2)+50=6,050 SP, 50 more than someone who just gets 3,000 base SP. So no one is going to avoid getting kills. If anything, the protostomp will be heavier than usual, as vets grind more or come back for the event.
But what everyone is saying is that that extra 50 SP receives no bonus whatsoever. Let's push the 50 SP example further. Let's say you get 4500 per match which is not unreasonable or unheard of (and I have boosters but this 1st example is without boosters for simplicity's sake). That equals, above the 3000, an extra 1500 SP you're getting the bonus for per match. At 4500 per match it will take approximately 42 and 1/3 matches to hit your 190,400 weekly bonus cap (42.311111... by actual math). If I multiply that 1500 I'm not getting a bonus for over 42 matches it equals 63,000 SP that I'm not getting bonus for, while I DO receive an extra 126,000 (3000 x 42 = 126,000 x 2 = 252,000) over those same matches. Now say I only get the requisite 3000 per match, then it takes me approximately 63 and 1/2 matches to reach 190,400 (63.46666...7 by actual math). If I choose to string it out over these 63 matches, I get every point doubled (3000 x 63 = 189,000). So let's do the final math:
Example 1: 126,000 x 2 = 252,000 (doubled SP) + 63,000(extra NON doubled SP) = 315,000
Example 2: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP)
That's your 63,000 SP point difference, and that's without the booster bonus and only losing the bonus on an extra 1500 per round.
Let's look at it with the bonus using 4500(3000 + 1.5 active booster) as the minimum and 4500 x 1.5 (6750) as the hypothetical per match overage.
This time the 4500 a match takes 63 and 1/2 matches to reach the weekly bonus with boosters (190,400 x 1.5 = 285,600) (4500 x 63 = 283,500)
The 6750 this time takes 42 and 1/3. This time we're losing 2250 in bonus over 42 matches
(4500 x 42 = 189,000) + (2250 x 42 = 94,500 (non bonused))
So again, let's do the math plugging in the booster numbers:
Example 1: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP) + 94,500(extra NON doubled SP) = 472,500
Example 2: 283,500 x 2 = 567,000
That's your 94,500 point difference with the booster.
Bottom line, if you do minimally 1/2 better than the 3000 point bonus max w/o booster, or the 4500 bonus max w/booster per match, you lose out on 63,000 or 94,500 respectively. This is of course contingent on my correctly understanding how this double SP events works. All of this could be wrong in which case I'm just going to go to sleep as my brain is angry with me for making it work this hard on a holiday.
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Apison Valusgeffen
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:33:00 -
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CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
So, with the math you've shown you max out your SP gain in 63 matches with no booster and 42 with a booster. Over 5 days that comes out to an average of 12 to 13 matches per day without boosters and 8 to 9 matches per day with boosters to get the same bonus as a double SP event. That is hardly a grind fest.
A calculation on how many matches will need to be played in a standard week long SP event in order to max out the SP bonus can be broken down like this: The assumption is the average player earns 3000 SP per match, which is what our data shows. Rambos who average higher are at the edge of the bell curve and isn't the best example to use when planning events for players of all types.
That comes out to 198,400/3000 (with no booster)=66 matches and 44 with booster. So this event is not trying to make you grind at all. What it does do is give you the chance to earn roughly the same amount of bonus SP as a triple SP event. The more you play, the more you earn, sounds pretty fair.
We will be watching the data on in-game activities from the event and see how this event affects play behavior. If indeed ambush becomes the predominate game mode played during the event, then we will use that data when planning for future events.
1st off I want to say thank you for the level of Dev/Player interaction demonstrated on this forum. As someone said previously, rare are the game companies that listen and respond to their players to this extent, and I think you all should be commended for taking the time to do this. And this is not some attempt at flattery or fanboy doting. I don't believe in flattery, it's against my religion. But in all sincerity, thank you for taking time out of your day to listen to the players.
Secondly, I know many have complained on this thread and others about the "grind" of these special events. I personally don't mind the grind, or even see it as a "grind" per se. My modus operandi is: finish a match, restock my gear, and quickly jump into another match. I enjoy playing the game as much as I can. And yes I have a life: 2 jobs, 2 cars, a wife, a kid, and a mortgage, so when I get to play I try to make the most of it. The purpose of the math in my previous post was to address the issue of the 3000 SP bonus cap. As an example, a short story if you will, as I am a bit of a writer (emphasis on the "bit"). I worked with a guy who was a former mechanic for a car dealership. He and his fellow mechanics used to get a lot of overtime. He said what they discovered was, after a certain amount of overtime they brought home less money because they moved up to the next tax bracket. They grossed more, but they netted less take home pay due to taxes. So they began to work to a certain overtime point but no more. No one wants to work more, for less gain. It's the same concept here. Why would I want to put in the 4500 SP "overtime" when the 3000 SP "overtime" will net me more gain. Another example: It's like CCP has given every player a $190,400 401K. And they've said CCP will match every contribution you deposit 100%, dollar for dollar, but only up to $3000. Why would I ever want to contribute any more than $3000 at a time (say like $4500)? I can subtract $1500 (unmatched by CCP) from that $4500, and the next $4500, and combine those to make a third (CCP matched) $3000 contribution, and continue this pattern until I reach the $190,400 cap. No one wants to gain extra SP in a current battle, when that same SP would be doubled in the next battle. To me, it would seem the simplest double SP event would be, start on Wednesday, 380,800 bonus SP, every match nets twice as much SP as normal. No muss, no fuss, play when you want, and no worries about SP loss like the July 4th triple SP event which was really enjoyable. Again, thank you for your time. |
Apison Valusgeffen
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:37:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Thanks guys. I'm basically just very confused by this event and am going to shut up.
A simplified example: You have $12. I say to you, "If you deposit that money into an account, every deposit you make I will match up to $3." You say ok. So you make your first deposit and you make it $6 dollars. I match that deposit but like I said only up to $3 so your $6 + the matched $3 = $9 in your account. You repeat with the last $6, I repeat with another $3 match for another $9 so you end up with a total of $18 in your account.
Let's start over with a fresh $12. This time you make a first deposit of $3. I match it with $3. You have $6 in your account. Your 2nd deposit of $3, I match with $3. You have $12 in your account. 3rd $3 deposit, 3rd $3 match. You now have $18 in your account. Last $3 deposit, last $3 match. This time you end up with $24 in your account, a full $6 more than the way you did it the first time. It behooves you to make smaller deposits, or in the game case earn less SP per match to maximize your earnings from the matching program. That's why people want to earn the minimum 3000 SP per match. $18 vs $24.  |
Apison Valusgeffen
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Posted - 2013.09.04 18:31:00 -
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D34NOS MAZDA wrote:CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:Apison Valusgeffen wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Whatever you may think about the mechanics of the event it does affect one major complaint for the period upto you cap.
The proto stomp.
Vet: I am not shooting him, you shoot him.
Vet 2: no way, I might exceed the 3000 SP for this match.
Noob: Skirmish - where is everyone.
Noob: Ambush - how come all these players are running away. I must be a badass as all these vets are easy to kill they do not even shoot back or hit me. If you exceed 3,000 SP, you still get the bonus, but it only applies to your first 3,000 SP. So if you get 3,050 base SP, you get (3,000x2)+50=6,050 SP, 50 more than someone who just gets 3,000 base SP. So no one is going to avoid getting kills. If anything, the protostomp will be heavier than usual, as vets grind more or come back for the event. But what everyone is saying is that that extra 50 SP receives no bonus whatsoever. Let's push the 50 SP example further. Let's say you get 4500 per match which is not unreasonable or unheard of (and I have boosters but this 1st example is without boosters for simplicity's sake). That equals, above the 3000, an extra 1500 SP you're (not) getting the bonus for per match. At 4500 per match it will take approximately 42 and 1/3 matches to hit your 190,400 weekly bonus cap (42.311111... by actual math). If I multiply that 1500 I'm not getting a bonus for over 42 matches it equals 63,000 SP that I'm not getting bonus for, while I DO receive an extra 126,000 (3000 x 42 = 126,000 x 2 = 252,000) over those same matches. Now say I only get the requisite 3000 per match, then it takes me approximately 63 and 1/2 matches to reach 190,400 (63.46666...7 by actual math). If I choose to string it out over these 63 matches, I get every point doubled (3000 x 63 = 189,000). So let's do the final math: Example 1: 126,000 x 2 = 252,000 (doubled SP) + 63,000(extra NON doubled SP) = 315,000 Example 2: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP) That's your 63,000 SP point difference, and that's without the booster bonus and only losing the bonus on an extra 1500 per round. Let's look at it with the bonus using 4500(3000 + 1.5 active booster) as the minimum and 4500 x 1.5 (6750) as the hypothetical per match overage. This time the 4500 a match takes 63 and 1/2 matches to reach the weekly bonus with boosters (190,400 x 1.5 = 285,600) (4500 x 63 = 283,500) The 6750 this time takes 42 and 1/3. This time we're losing 2250 in bonus over 42 matches (4500 x 42 = 189,000) + (2250 x 42 = 94,500 (non bonused)) So again, let's do the math plugging in the booster numbers: Example 1: 189,000 x 2 = 378,000 (doubled SP) + 94,500(extra NON doubled SP) = 472,500 Example 2: 283,500 x 2 = 567,000 That's your 94,500 point difference with the booster. Bottom line, if you do minimally 1/2 better than the 3000 point bonus max w/o booster, or the 4500 bonus max w/booster per match, you lose out on 63,000 or 94,500 respectively. This is of course contingent on my correctly understanding how this double SP events works. All of this could be wrong in which case I'm just going to go to sleep as my brain is angry with me for making it work this hard on a holiday. So, with the math you've shown you max out your SP gain in 63 matches with no booster and 42 with a booster. Over 5 days that comes out to an average of 12 to 13 matches per day without boosters and 8 to 9 matches per day with boosters to get the same bonus as a double SP event. That is hardly a grind fest. A calculation on how many matches will need to be played in a standard week long SP event in order to max out the SP bonus can be broken down like this: The assumption is the average player earns 3000 SP per match, which is what our data shows. Rambos who average higher are at the edge of the bell curve and isn't the best example to use when planning events for players of all types. That comes out to 198,400/3000 (with no booster)=66 matches and 44 with booster. So this event is not trying to make you grind at all. What it does do is give you the chance to earn roughly the same amount of bonus SP as a triple SP event. The more you play, the more you earn, sounds pretty fair. We will be watching the data on in-game activities from the event and see how this event affects play behavior. If indeed ambush becomes the predominate game mode played during the event, then we will use that data when planning for future events. Cmdr Wang boosters do not let you cap faster as they are a bonus on top of the CAP therefore will still take 64 games to cap with or without a booster. 
Correct, it still takes the same # of matches with or without the booster. I didn't point this out because my issue is with the SP cap, not the "grind". But yes, same # of battles either way, just 50% additional SP with standard active boosters.
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