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sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge 2797	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:08:00 - [28171] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: We just got rid of the FoTM chasers (... excluding that Raven guy :P ). Ahem Still here! Just a question? How am I a FotM chaser? I just stick to my own weapons, OP or UP. (Occasionally picking up other weapons for testing, as I am very fond of testing after every hotfix and update.) *Keshava for Gallente Vehicle!* . a+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë a+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Infine Sentinel Better Hide R Die 806	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:12:00 - [28172] - Quote So anyone here play Town of Salem? Local forum Cannibal.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 439	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:26:00 - [28173] - Quote I don't know much about this Aeon guy, I wasn't following the conversation from the beginning. But from his first post where he donned a scout and nova knives, he's been nothing but heartfelt and honest. Chill out. Aeon: Stick with it, you will continue to have the time of your life in Dust if you keep going, I guarantee it. Just as you say some of those kills are thrilling, you will find it gets even deeper. Focus on the positive stuff the guys in here mentioned.
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7439	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:33:00 - [28174] - Quote A bit sensitive for an adult, his head was on strait though, I enjoyed looking through his notes. Shrug can't force anyone to change their way of thinking. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1937	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:37:00 - [28175] - Quote #RAGEQUIT #XD TLDR : I lied, I have at least 3 more.
Hawkings Greenback Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 275	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:38:00 - [28176] - Quote Because I can't be arsed to trawl through and find out, by how much would you guys think about reducing back peddle ? Are you thinking percentage or specifics for each suit type ? But every night I burn. Screaming the animal scream. Every night I burn. Dreaming the crow-black dream
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2208	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:39:00 - [28177] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Ah, fair enough. If you think I'm relying on the shotgun too much, I'll strip it for something else (though, I have no idea what currently). Alternatively I could remove it all together and use just the nova knives but I have a feeling my KDR is going to plummet, which isn't really fair because I don't think anyone in their right mind would run -JUST- nova knives unless they were masochistic. Most pair knives with Combat Rifle or SMG Radar prefers AR (at least, he used to) Musturd prefers ScP I personally prefer Bolt Pseudo, Llast and Ghost prefer Flaylock ARR in my case. Though I did use the AR for a while. But yeah comboing SG and NK togeather is too much of an overlap in capability. Some treat the Knives as primary with something else for a side arm (I've seen moody with ScP). Others like me use it as a very powerful charge shotgun of a side arm. For dealing with heavies and other things your primary can't handle. But at least you're giving it a go, so you're a step above most people. Learn to embrace the death. Enjoy your time staring at the deployment screen. If you're going positive from the start you're not doing it right. We'll bang, OK?
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 440	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:43:00 - [28178] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Because I can't be arsed to trawl through and find out, by how much would you guys think about reducing back peddle ? Are you thinking percentage or specifics for each suit type ? Personal opinion: (forward walking speed)* 0.7
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1937	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:44:00 - [28179] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: We just got rid of the FoTM chasers (... excluding that Raven guy :P ). Ahem Still here! Just a question? How am I a FotM chaser? I just stick to my own weapons, OP or UP. (Occasionally picking up other weapons for testing, as I am very fond of testing after every hotfix and update.) I think the : P part was meaning he was joking around. People tend to do that a good bit around here. TLDR : I lied, I have at least 3 more.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5683	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:48:00 - [28180] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Because I can't be arsed to trawl through and find out, by how much would you guys think about reducing back peddle ? Are you thinking percentage or specifics for each suit type ? Personal opinion: (forward walking speed)* 0.7 I was just about to type this but then didn't and Kaeru did. That'd be my personal preferred speed, as well as strafe down to .8 Others may have different opinions, this would make a Minmatar scouts backward speed faster than a sentinel's forward by about .1 What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.

J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1937	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:49:00 - [28181] - Quote Since Sony is getting rid of Music Unlimited and replacing it with Spotify. The plan is to see if anyone else uses Spotify and wants to share some playlists. TLDR : I lied, I have at least 3 more.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21397	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:51:00 - [28182] - Quote It's this kind of immediately negative response to outsiders that causes the barbershop to get a bad rep sometimes. Attacking a genuine effort to experience the problem as a "farce of a bullshit experiment with you half ass running around with knives" and declaring that it "is so transparent it is totally ***** silly" simply because he didn't immediately agree with your opinion is a prime example of this. And although you may think Aeon's most recent response was caustic, I think it was entirely justified. Aeon is not a model of diplomacy, but he knows what he's doing. I get it. It's frustrating when you come up against someone with knives and they bunny-hop and backpedal away and you don't quite get the kill. But I don't think it's wrong to say that it's mostly a problem against the faster suits. And I don't think it's right to potentially hamstring movement without seriously looking at the full picture. I regret bringing this up. It was initially intended to be a joke about biases about an issue I was on the fence on, but I see now that many people here have taken this entirely too seriously and gotten vicious about it when others started to disagree. Can we please be more civilised here? Vote 'Keshava' for a new Gallente vehicle name!** Gallente Guide to DUST
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2208	Posted - 2015.01.28 21:57:00 - [28183] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Because I can't be arsed to trawl through and find out, by how much would you guys think about reducing back peddle ? Are you thinking percentage or specifics for each suit type ? Thanks for asking. It has been on the discussion table for a while now. First there were calls for it to be pretty dramatic. Like 50% but I and several others disagreed. 80% seems to be the rough consensus for now. Enough to notice a difference but shouldn't be so much as to be game breaking. Others may think differently though. We'll bang, OK?
IAmDuncanIdahoVI Nos Nothi 35	Posted - 2015.01.28 22:06:00 - [28184] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aeon is not a model of diplomacy, but he knows what he's doing. That's just it though. No he does not. And it shows. Combined with his attitude, the debate is not destined for progress. You say his causticism (is that even a word) is justfied. Well ** so is mine in that case. Sometimes you have to take the ** to be the better merc. I didn't do that. Many of us did not. Neither did he. Sorry man I understand what you're saying, but it devolved and toys were thrown out of prams. I decided to take sides. Done. It is what it is. Red-jarring, blue-suiting, plasma-blading invisible death
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7470	Posted - 2015.01.28 22:07:00 - [28185] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: If a knifing scout gets the drop on me, that's fine. I deserve to die. What I don't deserve is to watch the guy come running up at me, shoot at him, miss 90% of the rounds because he's somehow able to dodge bullets, and then die because I didn't do enough damage to him in the split second it takes for him to come up on scans or for me to see the shimmer of his cloak. There has been a lot of talk since I was last on, but I thought this the most relevant and wanted to address it. I understand your concern, and I think it is valid. No scout should be able to wiggle wiggle through bullets head on. I think it more reasonable to say both should be fixed and balanced than to defend one broken mechanic instead of another. I personally agree with the notion that there should be some sort of inertia. Samantha Hunyz wrote: Scout speed was faster before yes, but player wiggle was less frequent. Not to mention there used to be a ton of slow tanked logis, not these wannabe scout sped up ones of the present. Snipers used to be effective counters for the heavies and logis alike. Now CCP wants to possible speed up all players to make movement easier for the whole game. Kinkat strafing heavies are already somewhat of a pain, wait till they get this strafe buff while the shooting mechanics of sniping are still prehistoric beta. up to and through 1.4 getting 16 kills per game was not an issue. 1.5 brought bad rendering and hit detection. A little later and the whole player base decided to turn this game into Dance Dance Revolution. In the end, it doesn't matter to me where this game heads, but every patch that puts snipers further behind reduces my appeal to play this game. If CCP could at least remove the sway from the left stick while crouched I could see playing this game full time again and look for a competive corp to join, even with a speed increase. Every other fraking class gets two thumb sticks to aim with. I also want to address this for the same reasons. I think the complaints about moving with the left stick while sniping and some of the other sniping mechanics are in need of fixing as well. I still snipe on occasion, and its quite annoying to want to just slide over a smidge, but not be able to because of how things are, or to try and make fine adjustments but not be able to because the ADS sensitivity is greater than one would like because its the same ADS sensitivity used with other rifles, and what works for one does not work for the other. Again, I would rather fix the real issues than to leave broken mechanics in to offset other broken mechanics. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7472	Posted - 2015.01.28 22:29:00 - [28186] - Quote For what its worth, I generally find Aeon reasonable to have discussions with. At the same time, we do tend to get violent in here. Its nothing personal, its just our way. And its not just with outsiders, we get rough with each other at times. Perhaps we go too far at times, but as a whole I think we come around. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21400	Posted - 2015.01.28 22:37:00 - [28187] - Quote IAmDuncanIdahoVI wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aeon is not a model of diplomacy, but he knows what he's doing. That's just it though. No he does not. And it shows. Combined with his attitude, the debate is not destined for progress. You say his causticism (is that even a word) is justfied. Well ** so is mine in that case. Sometimes you have to take the ** to be the better merc. I didn't do that. Many of us did not. Neither did he. Sorry man I understand what you're saying, but it devolved and toys were thrown out of prams. I decided to take sides. Done. It is what it is. The first people to fling insults were people from the barbershop. In response to a fairly innocuous post from someone offering an opinion on the other side of the debate, one which would potentially affect him significantly, there was immediately a massively hostile response. In response to people challenging him, in very hostile terms, to 'bother researching' the topic, he offered to do exactly that. He even asked a couple of questions for advice on how to go about doing it. He then recorded this in a far more thorough manner than I have ever seen a barbershop native do. Sure, his method wasn't perfect. I would challenge you to find one that is. In response to this, people immediately decried it as a bullshit experiment because he didn't immediately agree on all points and change his opinion to suit theirs. He did try to see the other side of the argument. He certainly went further than his detractors did. Let me give you a quote. Aeon Amadi wrote: Believe it or not I'm actually having the most fun I've had on Dust 514 in months. I don't feel cheated whenever I die and there's a notable rush that comes with some of these kills. As I state in my little... Blog... documentary... thing.... I'm starting to dislike using knives against the faster suits. DonGÇÖt really have a problem with Cal Assaults and down but Min Assaults and up are sort of finicky, if only because itGÇÖs hard to keep them on the screen when I need to strike. Kinda feel the effects of this GÇÿback pedalGÇÖ issue (as much as I hate to admit it) but I really do think itGÇÖs on a case by case basis depending on the targetGÇÖs suit. I donGÇÖt seem to have a problem with Gal/Amarr/Cal Assaults, just Min Assaults. I know this sounds strange but I really wish there was a way to tell on the minimap what the hell I was about to swing at by way of chevron based on frame size. Might be a bit OP though, I dunno. In this post, where is he caustic? Where is he even slightly nasty, like his attackers? He states he's having fun. He explains that he is experiencing the issue to some extent, although not the extent that some people demand of him. This response is met by a post demanding he uses only knives, uses nothing but absolute terms to describe any scenario, and attacks him for a 'totally self-serving' opinion right as he's trying to see the other side of the argument. Aeon was not caustic initially. His attitude was fine. After the frankly vicious response to him, I too would have been irritated in the extreme. Indeed, I have been anyway. When people are talking about changes that potentially affect everyone in the game significantly to better themselves and attack anyone who dares disagree with them, I am strongly inclined to group them with people like Spkr. Some people use terms like 'tourist' derogatively and suggest that nobody who isn't a complete expert in their role can have a valid opinion. Often, these same people do not shy away from offering their own opinion on changes that affect many other people. Not everyone here is like this. Some folks (OEK, Spade) are being perfect gentlemen. Others, such as mollerz, are far too inclined to nastiness. I love you guys sometimes. Recently, I had a fantastic time squadding with some folks from here. But sometimes you depress me, too. We all have our biases. No unbiased human has ever lived. This is not an excuse to bash on people who don't agree with us. Let me re-iterate. Keep it civilised. We all benefit. *Vote 'Keshava' for a new Gallente vehicle name!* Gallente Guide to DUST
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21401	Posted - 2015.01.28 22:55:00 - [28188] - Quote On the actual topic, I feel sure there are ways of addressing this without making wide-ranging changes. For instance, the increased movement speed multiplier on the officer knives whilst charged seems like an adequate way to ensure you can keep pace with your victim. It doesn't involve changing the base movement of everything in the game, it involves a change specifically for addressing this one issue. There are side effects from this, of course (people might fit knives as a sidearm to get around slightly quicker - though this will be mitigated by only charging whilst not sprinting so you don't just use them to run everywhere, and I don't think this is much of a problem) but they're not nearly as severe as the other potential solution. It would mean that when you are charging your knives and your victim is backpedalling, you are moving substantially faster than them without necessarily crippling any other forms of movement. *Vote 'Keshava' for a new Gallente vehicle name!* Gallente Guide to DUST
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5685	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:02:00 - [28189] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: On the actual topic, I feel sure there are ways of addressing this without making wide-ranging changes. For instance, the increased movement speed multiplier on the officer knives whilst charged seems like an adequate way to ensure you can keep pace with your victim. It doesn't involve changing the base movement of everything in the game, it involves a change specifically for addressing this one issue. There are side effects from this, of course (people might fit knives as a sidearm to get around slightly quicker - though this will be mitigated by only charging whilst not sprinting so you don't just use them to run everywhere, and I don't think this is much of a problem) but they're not nearly as severe as the other potential solution. It would mean that when you are charging your knives and your victim is backpedalling, you are moving substantially faster than them without necessarily crippling any other forms of movement. For that to work to any decent effect, you'd have to have the speed increase be quite a bit more than 1.1 From some quick calculations, I reckon 1.2 would be the minimum needed to cut the mustard. Sidenote: I am vehemently opposed to it. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21402	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:04:00 - [28190] - Quote Alright. Why? *Vote 'Keshava' for a new Gallente vehicle name!* Gallente Guide to DUST

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7476	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:06:00 - [28191] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: On the actual topic, I feel sure there are ways of addressing this without making wide-ranging changes. For instance, the increased movement speed multiplier on the officer knives whilst charged seems like an adequate way to ensure you can keep pace with your victim. It doesn't involve changing the base movement of everything in the game, it involves a change specifically for addressing this one issue. There are side effects from this, of course (people might fit knives as a sidearm to get around slightly quicker - though this will be mitigated by only charging whilst not sprinting so you don't just use them to run everywhere, and I don't think this is much of a problem) but they're not nearly as severe as the other potential solution. It would mean that when you are charging your knives and your victim is backpedalling, you are moving substantially faster than them without necessarily crippling any other forms of movement. But this still doesn't fix other issues related to back pedal speed. Not only does this work against me for knives, but it works for me against shotguns. If I spot any shotgunner, I immediately start to back pedal and pull out whatever non NK weapon I happen to be equipping at the time. I have occasionally had success against HMG heavies as well. I don't like either play style(shotgunners/HMG heavies), and I think I will actually net more deaths than kills as a result of the changes, but I think them necessary. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Hawkings Greenback Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 275	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:07:00 - [28192] - Quote Thanks for the replies. How did you arrive at this figure and why do you think it is fair and reasonable ? It's like twenty questions tonight : ) But every night I burn. Screaming the animal scream. Every night I burn. Dreaming the crow-black dream
Jebus McKing Nos Nothi 1317	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:08:00 - [28193] - Quote ** y'all and your constructive discussions and eloquent ways of expressing stuff! I got 41 kills in a single match with knives today. TWICE I NEVER get 41 kills in a match. (Or let's say rarely.) Knives are ***** OP! CCP, PLS NERF, KTHX! Jebus still hates scans.
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2209	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:12:00 - [28194] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Thanks for the replies. How did you arrive at this figure and why do you think it is fair and reasonable ? It's like twenty questions tonight : ) It's really just a conservative estimate rather than a mathematical one. Don't want to make it so much that you feel like there should be a reversing beeper but enough that this weird round and round motion everybody is using is toned down and not so effective. Also with players stacking plates this would made wiggling 1,000+hp assaults a little less effective than they currently are. We're also proposing a mild strafing nerf. Though the more important factor is really the inertia problem rather than the actual speeds they're reaching (you reach top speed as quickly as you move the stick, so almost instantly when wiggling. Add a bit of inertia, even just a split second and wiggling back and forth and side to side is more likely to kill you than save you. We'll bang, OK?
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5686	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:15:00 - [28195] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Alright. Why? I'm going to be level with you. It affects something I don't use which causes something I do use to be unaffected. I really want back pedal and strafe to get slashed. In my opinion for the reasons above, those are the last two trolls living under the bridge on the road to very-good-game-land. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7478	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:16:00 - [28196] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Thanks for the replies. How did you arrive at this figure and why do you think it is fair and reasonable ? It's like twenty questions tonight : ) It was just a guestimate. There is no way for us to know how each will play, so we discussed and came up with a moderate number that can either be further reduced if it wasn't enough, or increased if it was too much. I think the general consensus was that backpedal should be 0.8 for starters, and then adjusted accordingly. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5686	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:18:00 - [28197] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Thanks for the replies. How did you arrive at this figure and why do you think it is fair and reasonable ? It's like twenty questions tonight : ) (On my suggested *.7) It's just enough to put the racial scouts' backpedal below their respective sentinels' forward movement. If I see a sentinel I should not want to be up close and in front back-pedalling and shooting. I should want to spin around and run for my life and approach from another angle. That doesn't always happen. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6619	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:19:00 - [28198] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Thanks for the replies. How did you arrive at this figure and why do you think it is fair and reasonable ? It's like twenty questions tonight : ) It was just a guestimate. There is no way for us to know how each will play, so we discussed and came up with a moderate number that can either be further reduced if it wasn't enough, or increased if it was too much. I think the general consensus was that backpedal should be 0.8 for starters, and then adjusted accordingly. 0.8 was the number I tossed out awhile agoGÇª It seems reasonable Still stand by the idea of non-instantaneous movement reversal would benefit the game more as a whole. MOAR Ladders
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6145	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:36:00 - [28199] - Quote Hey guys! Pardon the brief absence, I'm catching up as we speak. Good news. All the parts checked out, and we are not having twins. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2212	Posted - 2015.01.28 23:38:00 - [28200] - Quote YouGÇÖre probably right Arkena but he started off flat out stating things about what we use, much of which was incorrect, rather than actually asking what the problem was. Or what exactly it is weGÇÖre proposing. Look at Hawkings, heGÇÖs had no negative response. Because his first point wasnGÇÖt GÇ£youGÇÖre wrong, and hereGÇÖs some incorrect facts why.GÇ¥ When Aeon actually put on the knives and tested them he got these responses: Bayeth Mal wrote: But at least you're giving it a go, so you're a step above most people. Sinboto Simmons wrote: A bit sensitive for an adult, his head was on strait though, I enjoyed looking through his notes. Plus others becoming friendlier and we began discussing the nature of the knives. We donGÇÖt expect people to come here hat in hand begging for our acceptance, but starting the conversation with matter oGÇÖfact walls of text that were incorrect is not a good start. A good start would be: GÇ£So IGÇÖve heard something about backpedal? What is it you guys are proposing and whatGÇÖs the logic here?GÇ¥ and then go from there. As for mollerzGÇª well, thatGÇÖs a different matter. But ultimately Aeon hasnGÇÖt been treated any differently than we treat each other from time to time. I can think of a few long timers here who have had much harsher criticism when they started talking out their ass. Speaking of whichGÇª where is Gav? Compared to him, Aeon got off lightly. We're probably a bit over sensitive because of the random ragers that come in from time to blame us for everything post 1.8. There was also some weird conspiracy going around that we had some kind of "in" with Rattati and were forcing through buffs to ruin the game for non-scouts. Cat Merc got threatened with a ban by Rattati multiple times for being one of the people spreading it (if I recall correctly). Considering this is the climate we often receive visitors in we can be a bit on the defensive side. In that video that got posted thereGÇÖs a couple of good examples of people backpedalling from a very speed tanked suit. Showing that just sprinting at them is really just a crapshoot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOU @4:25 & @5:30 Elsewhere in the video you also see him disengage when he can tell theyGÇÖre going to backpedal. We'll bang, OK?



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