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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21393	Posted - 2015.01.28 15:57:00 - [28141] - Quote until you realise you're using a Caldari weapon and go back to not playing DUST *Vote 'Keshava' for a new Gallente vehicle name!* Gallente Guide to DUST
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6135	Posted - 2015.01.28 16:09:00 - [28142] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: BTW: What's a good amount of deaths you figure to run knives until "I get it"..? 10? 100? 1000? Likely won't do 1000 but I'll certainly give it a go either way. It really depends; shouldn't take long. Some matches, you'll go without being robbed. Other matches (especially when against good players or when laggy), you'll find yourself being robbed frequently. By "robbed" I mean you did everything right but end up dead at the hands of your would-be victim. The idea is to have fun with and get a feel for knives, but you'll need to experience being robbed by backpedal speed at least a few times. You'll know when it happens. You'll think to yourself "bullsh*t ... I had that guy ... this must be what they're talking about." Here are a few common robberies to keep your eyes open for ... You've baited and lured a target. He's rounding a corner or entering a door way, as you wait on the other side with knives charged. He's fully committed to the chase and comes barging through. As you step forward to swing, he immediately reverses direction. You are now out-of-range. If backpedal speed were slower, you'd perhaps have decent odds. Because it isn't, you are dead 90% of the time. You're chasing an unaware target. He's an Assault, so you gain on him rather slowly. Suddenly, he spins around. Turns out, you've been on his TacNet for the past few seconds. The pursuit continues at its former pace, you chasing him and slowly closing the gap, but now he's facing you and hipfiring all the while "running" backwards. If backpedal speed were slower, you'd perhaps have decent odds. Because it isn't, you are now dead 90% of the time. You've singled out and stalked a target and are moving in for a takedown. This one, you've got dead to rights. He has no idea you're behind him, and he's more-or-less standing still, resupplying atop a nanohive (wiggling, of course). You get into range ... he doesn't notice the TacNet blip ... he doesn't hear your knives charging ... you swing a swing so glorious ... and you miss. Might be blue flare. Might be lag or latency. Might be wiggle. Might be that he moved ever-so-slightly and you simply missed. Whatever the case, if backpedal speed were slower, you'd perhaps still have decent odds. Because it isn't, you are now dead 90% of the time. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8071	Posted - 2015.01.28 16:17:00 - [28143] - Quote https://docs.google.com/document/d/193Ig15VGE8NXcKHoUDwf2TiHelPtZN6xbp8Er-_Wb9o/edit?usp=sharing There's a public link that you can follow on a match by match basis since my recording equipment is broken. Otherwise, I'd just livestream the kitten. Feel free to suggest different things but given the outcome of that first match, I'm really enjoying this suit. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6135	Posted - 2015.01.28 16:22:00 - [28144] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/193Ig15VGE8NXcKHoUDwf2TiHelPtZN6xbp8Er-_Wb9o/edit?usp=sharing There's a public link that you can follow on a match by match basis since my recording equipment is broken. Otherwise, I'd just livestream the kitten. Feel free to suggest different things but given the outcome of that first match, I'm really enjoying this suit. Thanks for taking the time to try this out, Aeon. Here's the suit I'd run: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1192/8359 Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1064	Posted - 2015.01.28 16:31:00 - [28145] - Quote I love the heavy complaining about KNs. I enjoy to use them sometimes but they usually make me rage. Kinda like tha OP HMG does... Overlord of Broman
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8073	Posted - 2015.01.28 16:40:00 - [28146] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: I love the heavy complaining about KNs. I enjoy to use them sometimes but they usually make me rage. Kinda like tha OP HMG does... What heavy? O.o; Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8073	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:04:00 - [28147] - Quote Kaaay so first three matches using a Shotty/NK Scout is done. See link for more details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/193Ig15VGE8NXcKHoUDwf2TiHelPtZN6xbp8Er-_Wb9o/edit?usp=sharing Honestly, my only gripe so far is that it's a pain in the kitten knowing that I probably would have killed someone if -BOTH- swipes had hit instead of just the one. Has there been any discussion to having the knife swipes be simultaneous..? Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7421	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:05:00 - [28148] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: I love the heavy complaining about KNs. I enjoy to use them sometimes but they usually make me rage. Kinda like tha OP HMG does... Odd I usually see SG complaints, I didn't think anyone could be mad at a weapon that requires you to hump your target. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6135	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:06:00 - [28149] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Kaaay so first three matches using a Shotty/NK Scout is done. See link for more details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/193Ig15VGE8NXcKHoUDwf2TiHelPtZN6xbp8Er-_Wb9o/edit?usp=sharing Honestly, my only gripe so far is that it's a pain in the kitten knowing that I probably would have killed someone if -BOTH- swipes had hit instead of just the one. Has there been any discussion to having the knife swipes be simultaneous..? Kind of. If I recall correctly, Logibro shorted the duration between swings as best he could without mucking up the animation. This change coincided with the NK/AV change. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 433	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:10:00 - [28150] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Kaaay so first three matches using a Shotty/NK Scout is done. See link for more details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/193Ig15VGE8NXcKHoUDwf2TiHelPtZN6xbp8Er-_Wb9o/edit?usp=sharing Honestly, my only gripe so far is that it's a pain in the kitten knowing that I probably would have killed someone if -BOTH- swipes had hit instead of just the one. Has there been any discussion to having the knife swipes be simultaneous..? Having the damage spread out over both swings becomes a bit of a blessing with practice. It makes sure you are dealing lethal damage over a time to scouts and most assaults with a full charge, whereas, against faster targets, the window of opportunity for a kill would be much smaller with instant double slash. About the shotgun, if you have it, you should use it in almost all situations where you would the knives. If you have a shotgun on your fit, don't bother with the knives unless it's a heavy that you think can tank more than 2 blasts from your SG. It's why I wouldn't really fit both on the same suit. This is just my opinion !

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8073	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:15:00 - [28151] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Kaaay so first three matches using a Shotty/NK Scout is done. See link for more details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/193Ig15VGE8NXcKHoUDwf2TiHelPtZN6xbp8Er-_Wb9o/edit?usp=sharing Honestly, my only gripe so far is that it's a pain in the kitten knowing that I probably would have killed someone if -BOTH- swipes had hit instead of just the one. Has there been any discussion to having the knife swipes be simultaneous..? Kind of. If I recall correctly, Logibro shortened the duration between swings as best he could without mucking up the animation. This change coincided with the NK/AV change. PS: You'll increase your odds of encountering problems with backpedaling if you relied more on your knives and less on your shotgun. Backpedaling certainly affects shotgunners, but by far less degree than it affects knifers. Ah, fair enough. If you think I'm relying on the shotgun too much, I'll strip it for something else (though, I have no idea what currently). Alternatively I could remove it all together and use just the nova knives but I have a feeling my KDR is going to plummet, which isn't really fair because I don't think anyone in their right mind would run -JUST- nova knives unless they were masochistic. Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Kaaay so first three matches using a Shotty/NK Scout is done. See link for more details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/193Ig15VGE8NXcKHoUDwf2TiHelPtZN6xbp8Er-_Wb9o/edit?usp=sharing Honestly, my only gripe so far is that it's a pain in the kitten knowing that I probably would have killed someone if -BOTH- swipes had hit instead of just the one. Has there been any discussion to having the knife swipes be simultaneous..? Having the damage spread out over both swings becomes a bit of a blessing with practice. It makes sure you are dealing lethal damage over a time to scouts and most assaults with a full charge, whereas, against faster targets, the window of opportunity for a kill would be much smaller with instant double slash. About the shotgun, if you have it, you should use it in almost all situations where you would the knives. If you have a shotgun on your fit, don't bother with the knives unless it's a heavy that you think can tank more than 2 blasts from your SG. It's why I wouldn't really fit both on the same suit. This is just my opinion ! Fair enough. Anyway, here's the new fit. Dropped some aurum, going to try something else out for the next three matches (assuming they last that long, though I doubt it): http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/1192/11298 Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
noob cavman Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2041	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:15:00 - [28152] - Quote Running a shotgun with knives is 90% of the time a no no. Run knives either with a smg or assault combat rifle incase you do miss the secound swing And a quick spray to finish them. Unless its a heavy. Just run at that point I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6135	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:17:00 - [28153] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Ah, fair enough. If you think I'm relying on the shotgun too much, I'll strip it for something else (though, I have no idea what currently). Alternatively I could remove it all together and use just the nova knives but I have a feeling my KDR is going to plummet, which isn't really fair because I don't think anyone in their right mind would run -JUST- nova knives unless they were masochistic. Most pair knives with SMG Musturd prefers ScP I personally prefer Bolt Pseudo, Llast and Ghost prefer Flaylock Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 435	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:20:00 - [28154] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Running a shotgun with knives is 90% of the time a no no. Run knives either with a smg or assault combat rifle incase you do miss the secound swing And a quick spray to finish them. Unless its a heavy. Just run at that point Sometimes you also have to grit your teeth and try to get into their face, remember the closer to them you are, the harder you are to track. Keep that in mind when you miss, or when your cover is blown. The choice of running away, laying in wait for an ambush, or jumping into their faces is the ACTUAL game when it comes to Nova Knives. Everything else is just practice. Choosing to rush into someone's face, and getting on their immediate left or right flank, is sometimes better than running away, but making that call is hard. You have to be more focused than usual. For example, if I'm in a squad, and on coms, I can never play as my usual self. I always do this part wrong.
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7422	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:21:00 - [28155] - Quote I'd suggest a moderate dps weapon, like the combat rifle, that's not the best at close range. That way you'll subconsciously use the knives for CQC yes? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6136	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:27:00 - [28156] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: If I'm in a squad and on coms or have had a few beers ... I always do this part wrong. ^ Know exactly what you're talking about. Here's my version. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 436	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:34:00 - [28157] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: ^ Know exactly what you're talking about. Here's my version. XD!! I also wanted to add that wearing headphones can help. The more absorbed you are into the environment the better. Staying relaxed is very important too. I forgot to mention another option that needs to be weighed: letting go. Sometimes you are stalking someone and his friend shows up. His friend is a jittery scout and constantly spinning around and moving. Wait for them to separate or move on unless you are confident. There's nothing wrong with this, as a scout you have the power of choosing your engagements, unlike everyone else. If you don't use it, you will face a lot of frustration. Another example: You get to an objective, kill it's defender with Nova Knives, and move to hack. You complete the hack, but he has respawned at the CRU nearby and gets you just as you completed the hack. Let it go. An enemy that is aware of you -in the slightest way- is EXPONENTIALLY more deadly than full proto heavy with proto HMG. Even if the person aware of you is in a frontline fit. Keep that in mind and judge accordingly.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8076	Posted - 2015.01.28 17:51:00 - [28158] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: ^ Know exactly what you're talking about. Here's my version. XD!! I also wanted to add that wearing headphones can help. The more absorbed you are into the environment the better. Staying relaxed is very important too. I forgot to mention another option that needs to be weighed: letting go. Sometimes you are stalking someone and his friend shows up. His friend is a jittery scout and constantly spinning around and moving. Wait for them to separate or move on unless you are confident. There's nothing wrong with this, as a scout you have the power of choosing your engagements, unlike everyone else. If you don't use it, you will face a lot of frustration. Another example: You get to an objective, kill it's defender with Nova Knives, and move to hack. You complete the hack, but he has respawned at the CRU nearby and gets you just as you completed the hack. Let it go. An enemy that is aware of you -in the slightest way- is EXPONENTIALLY more deadly than full proto heavy with proto HMG. Even if the person aware of you is in a frontline fit. Keep that in mind and judge accordingly. Believe it or not I'm actually having the most fun I've had on Dust 514 in months. I don't feel cheated whenever I die and there's a notable rush that comes with some of these kills. As I state in my little... Blog... documentary... thing.... I'm starting to dislike using knives against the faster suits. DonGÇÖt really have a problem with Cal Assaults and down but Min Assaults and up are sort of finicky, if only because itGÇÖs hard to keep them on the screen when I need to strike. Kinda feel the effects of this GÇÿback pedalGÇÖ issue (as much as I hate to admit it) but I really do think itGÇÖs on a case by case basis depending on the targetGÇÖs suit. I donGÇÖt seem to have a problem with Gal/Amarr/Cal Assaults, just Min Assaults. I know this sounds strange but I really wish there was a way to tell on the minimap what the hell I was about to swing at by way of chevron based on frame size. Might be a bit OP though, I dunno. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5675	Posted - 2015.01.28 18:02:00 - [28159] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: I know I'm being rude but I'm sick of these blue tag chasers. Especially after Rattati says this: CCP Rattati wrote: Guys, if NK kills were remotely a problem, or a potential problem, with slightly lower backpedal, I wouldn't be advocating for them. With Scanning changes, they became less effective, but I want all styles, even niche, to be able to flourish if they want to. It's not my personal style, but I appreciate it and get killed by novas every 10 battles, maybe. Stats say the same. We should be proud of our NKers if anything. I tend to think "good kill", versus "**** you" for most other kills. A bluetag chaser u say. No clue who that could be.. XD He just wants attention, however he can get it. But just ignore the guy and soon enough he'll be off testing the gravity of the planet by jumping out of the mcc over and over. That's still one of my fav stories. Well until another blue tag shows up. XD I'm no fan of the "chasing" but consider for a moment the nature of what's being discussed. It's a huge potential change that effects every playstyle significantly. Personally I'm a advocate of reducing backpedal. I think if you want to retreat you should have to do a 180 and hightail it outta there, not run backwards while shooting. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8081	Posted - 2015.01.28 18:11:00 - [28160] - Quote Calling it quits for now. That last match kinda sucked. Anyway, currently my stand-point still... Stands. It's only really an issue for some of the faster suits, at least for me. Minmatar Assault, for instance. Everything else I can totally handle. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6137	Posted - 2015.01.28 18:38:00 - [28161] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Believe it or not I'm actually having the most fun I've had on Dust 514 in months. Couldn't agree more. Nothing in the game quite like knifing, and no other game has knifing quite like Dust's. A wild Mollerz appears and all-caps proclaims: YOU GUYS ACTUALLY HAVE THE BEST KNIFE COMBAT GAME EVER MADE. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
mollerz 6060	Posted - 2015.01.28 18:38:00 - [28162] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Calling it quits for now. That last match kinda sucked. Anyway, currently my stand-point still... Stands. It's only really an issue for some of the faster suits, at least for me. Minmatar Assault, for instance. Everything else I can totally handle. Be a real merc. Use only knives. You totally can't handle everything else that back pedaled. If it back pedaled and you were using only knives you were totally screwed every time. Be honest. Back pedaling is totally self serving for you and that is why you want it to remain as it is. This farce of a bullshit experiment with you half ass running around with knives is so transparent it is totally ******* silly. Totally.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6137	Posted - 2015.01.28 18:43:00 - [28163] - Quote mollerz wrote: Use only knives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOU Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1057	Posted - 2015.01.28 18:51:00 - [28164] - Quote Spademan wrote: J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: I know I'm being rude but I'm sick of these blue tag chasers. Especially after Rattati says this: CCP Rattati wrote: Guys, if NK kills were remotely a problem, or a potential problem, with slightly lower backpedal, I wouldn't be advocating for them. With Scanning changes, they became less effective, but I want all styles, even niche, to be able to flourish if they want to. It's not my personal style, but I appreciate it and get killed by novas every 10 battles, maybe. Stats say the same. We should be proud of our NKers if anything. I tend to think "good kill", versus "**** you" for most other kills. A bluetag chaser u say. No clue who that could be.. XD He just wants attention, however he can get it. But just ignore the guy and soon enough he'll be off testing the gravity of the planet by jumping out of the mcc over and over. That's still one of my fav stories. Well until another blue tag shows up. XD I'm no fan of the "chasing" but consider for a moment the nature of what's being discussed. It's a huge potential change that effects every playstyle significantly. Personally I'm a advocate of reducing backpedal. I think if you want to retreat you should have to do a 180 and hightail it outta there, not run backwards while shooting. How do you run away from a scout? They are going to catch you regardless so backpedaling and shooting is the best and only real option. It is not like non scouts can sprint around a corner, cloak and not be found, lol I am all for backpedal nerf if they nerf strafing A LOT more than it is now. If you are going to balance backpedal for NK / shotgun scouts then nerf strafing more for snipers and everyone else. The armor strafe nerf did not change much of anything. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8082	Posted - 2015.01.28 19:22:00 - [28165] - Quote mollerz wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Calling it quits for now. That last match kinda sucked. Anyway, currently my stand-point still... Stands. It's only really an issue for some of the faster suits, at least for me. Minmatar Assault, for instance. Everything else I can totally handle. Be a real merc. Use only knives. You totally can't handle everything else that back pedaled. If it back pedaled and you were using only knives you were totally screwed every time. Be honest. Back pedaling is totally self serving for you and that is why you want it to remain as it is. This farce of a bullshit experiment with you half ass running around with knives is so transparent it is totally ***** silly. Totally. Yup, absolutely, and that is why I'm discontinuing it entirely. If you guys don't want to play ball and actually give people a chance to change their kittening minds, then I'm not going to fight you. I'll just consider this all the frakking evidence I need to extrapolate that wanting movement speed reductions is just as self-serving for you kittens as well and adamantly defend -against- it because of that. I don't play troll games and if I'm just wasting my freaggin time trying to be open minded about this then there's really no point in continuing to invest -MY- time and effort. Peace, **. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
mollerz 6060	Posted - 2015.01.28 19:29:00 - [28166] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: mollerz wrote: Be a real merc. Use only knives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOU (pre-falloff footage) All your sh!t's outdated, Iggy. Come back and make some more :-) hehe nice one
mollerz 6060	Posted - 2015.01.28 19:31:00 - [28167] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Yup, absolutely, and that is why I'm discontinuing it entirely. If you guys don't want to play ball and actually give people a chance to change their kittening minds... okay fine. I'll give you 5 minutes. Didn't I JLAV the heck out of you one match back in the day?
IAmDuncanIdahoVI Nos Nothi 32	Posted - 2015.01.28 20:13:00 - [28168] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Kaaay so first three matches using a Shotty/NK Scout is done. See link for more details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/193Ig15VGE8NXcKHoUDwf2TiHelPtZN6xbp8Er-_Wb9o/edit?usp=sharing Honestly, my only gripe so far is that it's a pain in the kitten knowing that I probably would have killed someone if -BOTH- swipes had hit instead of just the one. Has there been any discussion to having the knife swipes be simultaneous..? Not really that I know of. Because therein lies one of the skills of knifing. To land both swipes on a moving target requires you to move with them. Spademan wrote: Personally I'm a advocate of reducing backpedal. I think if you want to retreat you should have to do a 180 and hightail it outta there, not run backwards while shooting. This Aeon is one reason why I personally think backpedal speeds are silly. Being able to avoid the swipes of a merc that did the hard work in sneaking up on you in the first place whilst shooting at them is in some's opinion an unbalanced mechanic. Aeon Amadi wrote: mollerz wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Calling it quits for now. That last match kinda sucked. Anyway, currently my stand-point still... Stands. It's only really an issue for some of the faster suits, at least for me. Minmatar Assault, for instance. Everything else I can totally handle. Be a real merc. Use only knives. You totally can't handle everything else that back pedaled. If it back pedaled and you were using only knives you were totally screwed every time. Be honest. Back pedaling is totally self serving for you and that is why you want it to remain as it is. This farce of a bullshit experiment with you half ass running around with knives is so transparent it is totally ***** silly. Totally. Yup, absolutely, and that is why I'm discontinuing it entirely. If you guys don't want to play ball and actually give people a chance to change their kittening minds, then I'm not going to fight you. I'll just consider this all the frakking evidence I need to extrapolate that wanting movement speed reductions is just as self-serving for you kittens as well and adamantly defend -against- it because of that. I don't play troll games and if I'm just wasting my freaggin time trying to be open minded about this then there's really no point in continuing to invest -MY- time and effort. Peace, *. Wow dood did Mollerz just give you an out? You are discontinuing your experiment because of a single voice? Don't be silly. Now to say what I've been wanting to say during all the last few pages and multi-paragraph posts, most of which I didn't read and here are some reasons why. You began by coming in here throwing your weight around, which is fine, it's a free country and all that, but you aren't likely to help your cause if a valid debate is what you're after. Your attitude is irksome, your posts...I dunno dude I can ramble too but the reason I stopped reading all your words is coz you are coming at this like you're in some sort of debating society.....tooo many words dude. Learn to get to the point, you don't need to address every single little thing that someone tried to call you out on. Stick to the burning issues. As for your maths and other scenarios etc etc etc - you spectacularly fail to cover all the ground when making comparisons. This smacks of your lack of experience in particular playstyles. Either that or you* are the troll, but I choose to believe the former. Most of your comparisons of various suits and fits, that justify why this shouldn't happen, appear to miss some glaring points, namely, a scout will go down in less than half the time an assault will. You think a scout has time to whip out his longer ranged weapon when a nova-knife attack fails? Not usually. Failed attack usually equals dead scout. >> I don't play troll games and if I'm just wasting my freaggin time trying to be open minded about this then there's really no point in continuing to invest -MY- time and effort. Please don't, go forth and extrapolate, convince the ppl important to maintaining your plight instead of wasting your time here. Don't feed the trolls dood. The petulant kidult in me wants to tell you to **** right off. Red-jarring, blue-suiting, plasma-blading invisible death
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1465	Posted - 2015.01.28 20:26:00 - [28169] - Quote Damn it mollerz you ruined everything Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5682	Posted - 2015.01.28 20:59:00 - [28170] - Quote voidfaction wrote: How do you run away from a scout? They are going to catch you regardless so backpedaling and shooting is the best and only real option. It is not like non scouts can sprint around a corner, cloak and not be found, lol I am all for backpedal nerf if they nerf strafing A LOT more than it is now. If you are going to balance backpedal for NK / shotgun scouts then nerf strafing more for snipers and everyone else. The armor strafe nerf did not change much of anything. Void, you're being a little too aggressive. I'm not even considering shotguns or knives at all. In anyway. I'm talking about rifles at the moment. Say you got a Combat Rifle. Decent range weapon. Now say you come up behind someone. At like 70m, you're doing decent damage but not as much as you could be. Oh ***, he has a rail rifle and is doing full damage. All he needs to do to beat you is walk backwards and shoot. But wait, you* got the drop on him, why should he win that shootout? He shouldn't, but he does. Because he can move backwards just as fast as you can forwards. You try to sprint to get closer and do more damage, you get brapped. On strafing. I whole heartedly agree. It's a pile of crap and I've mentioned it every time backpedal has been mentioned. But I haven't delved into is because that's not what the discussion is about But why would I have brought it up you ask? In the vain hope that someone notices it and decides to make a discussion about it. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.



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