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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

jace silencerww wrote:

Bayeth Mal wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

I would just like to reiterate before I take the time to read over the EWAR numbers that taking away the knife bonus on the minja will just make the Gal scout a better knifer (because superior low slots).

You would have to give Minmatar super duper hack bonuses, or superior than Gallente Dampening bonuses (the latter of which I certainly don't recommend) in order to even circumstantially give people a reason to run Minmatar over Gallente.

Otherwise, Gal Scouts could just throw on a Code Breaker (or have a fit just with Code Breakers) and they would be a good enough substitute for hacking that it would be insane to throw all that SP in a Minmatar scouts for so little marginal benefit.

Minjas have been overly d*cked over enough as it is. I haven't even gotten to what might be Minja killing EWAR changes, and you are already talking about making them more meaningless. Absolutely boggles my mind.

By this same logic isn't the Cal a terrible scout? What with their oh so terrible 2 low slots. They sure don't seem to be struggling.

ok caldari scouts have a broke hit box plus they are stacking shield plus they have a 15% DAMPING as their bonus plus 10% range per level. so two dampners and a proto and poof unscannable.

oh btw thanks CCP Rattati
for killing the Minnie scout with the final numbers in your EWAR Concentric Circle Scan Falloff Design
how is a Minnie scout going to nova knife people? run dampners and we don't have the speed to close in behind reds. run speed and get spotted at 10-25 meters. so yea thanks again... there goes a huge waste of time and skill points learned to run Minnie scout & nova kniving.

You see, right there is your problem.

Don't get spotted

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Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 9044	Posted - 2014.12.17 03:30:00 - [26611] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: One of our own is going to be a dad! Swing by the bunker and share some :: high fives :: Who? You? Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1224	Posted - 2014.12.17 03:35:00 - [26612] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: One of our own is going to be a dad! Swing by the bunker and share some :: high fives :: Who? You? Not me! (Not yet) And it's not Gav. Lol. But that's all I'll say :-) Details: bunker / Dust 514 / "1.10"
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1051	Posted - 2014.12.17 03:57:00 - [26613] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Kayla Michael wrote: Omg, burn this monstrosity. Now scouts are formulating a Hub? What have you monsters do to DUST? T+í s+¬ r+¦-dh+¬anach. [ominous latin chanting] Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1396	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:00:00 - [26614] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: One of our own is going to be a dad! Swing by the bunker and share some :: high fives :: Who? You? Not me! (Not yet) And it's not Gav. Lol. But that's all I'll say :-) Details: bunker / Dust 514 / "1.10" gotta hurry up and make that mother in law guest room is a nursery. XD TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3170	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:06:00 - [26615] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: One of our own is going to be a dad! Swing by the bunker and share some :: high fives :: Who? You? Not me! (Not yet) And it's not Gav. Lol. But that's all I'll say :-) Details: bunker / Dust 514 / "1.10" I like how you had to include my name BTW, Im 17 in case people didn't understand why I think its so funny "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5837	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:06:00 - [26616] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: One of our own is going to be a dad! Swing by the bunker and share some :: high fives :: Who? You? Not me! (Not yet) And it's not Gav. Lol. But that's all I'll say :-) Details: bunker / Dust 514 / "1.10" Not soonGäó thoughGÇª just soonGÇª right MOAR Ladders
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5845	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:10:00 - [26617] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: One of our own is going to be a dad! Swing by the bunker and share some :: high fives :: Who? You? Not me! (Not yet) And it's not Gav. Lol. But that's all I'll say :-) Details: bunker / Dust 514 / "1.10" I like how you had to include my name BTW, Im 17 in case people didn't understand why I think its so funny Also your discussion on "increased volume" makes for hilarity MOAR Ladders
Matticus Monk Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2672	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:13:00 - [26618] - Quote I'm getting all these likes from my posts back on like page 100 from General John Ripper. Is the king of likes trying to out like the like king? Can't be done, son. Nice try though, greenhorn.... only 1100 pages to go.... Double posting like a Kaiser. Embracing the death, at Llast. Shoveling out historical beat-downs like a Spade.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3173	Posted - 2014.12.17 04:14:00 - [26619] - Quote Ok, Im getting in on it "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1397	Posted - 2014.12.17 05:05:00 - [26620] - Quote the like thing. did show me what my first post on the thread was at least. TLDR : Last Dust Montage

LeGoose SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 745	Posted - 2014.12.17 05:38:00 - [26621] - Quote @Tritus Overall your fit looks decent but as others have said if the cloak causes ypou to drop a low slot I would drop the cloak as well. Another damp or a kincat (if you have them) would be of more benefit. As far as the bk-42 goes it really just depends on what you can run to stay isk positive. The adv act will help you win a few more close 1v1 fights but the isk cost may be too much to be effective. Looking at the CR vs. ACR it is a matter of preference. Get the timing down on the bursts and the CR rips people apart. If you can get thebshields dowm prior to shooting the ACR it will melt people. Practice fluxing or using a shield based side armnand the ACR will be your best friend. I recommend the ion pistol highly for this as you can get many quick shots off to strip shields. Otherwise there is the old faithful scrambler pistol. Both of the CR variants do reasonably well in the spray and pray category from hip fire but you need to be able to control the gun/keep the enemy in sight to stay on target. Hope this helps. Side note: played a few more matches tonight and again everything feels pretty smooth. I didn't use the cloak at all tonight, but the matches were super easy for the most part. I almost felt bad killing a proto Amarr assault with a ScR when I was using my shield tanked quafe min assault with a RS-90. Click it! I dare you...
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1968	Posted - 2014.12.17 05:59:00 - [26622] - Quote My Quafe Ck.0 is gone! GONE! I valued it more than I do myself! And it went poof! Didn't even use it. Haven't sold anything in a week and it says I've earned it. Can someone tell me what the fuckiest hell is going on?!? n+ÅS¦¦Gùò V GùòS¦¦n++killer of Cat Merc/Feathered overlord of all. 15 Quafe Ck.0s! 357 boxes...0 keys
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1055	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:09:00 - [26623] - Quote You know, I think I'm gonna keep using the cloak. She's made me her bitch, and try as I might I cannot leave her. I just love the feeling of sneaking around unseen. I'll just have to deal with the horrid swap delay and hope they revert it eventually. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1968	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:11:00 - [26624] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: You know, I think I'm gonna keep using the cloak. She's made me her bitch, and try as I might I cannot leave her. I just love the feeling of sneaking around unseen. I'll just have to deal with the horrid swap delay and hope they revert it eventually. Hey you! Go find my Quafes and bring them here... I'll give you all my ISK + all that in my Altbank (around 19 billion.) n+ÅS¦¦Gùò V GùòS¦¦n++killer of Cat Merc/Feathered overlord of all. 15 Quafe Ck.0s! 357 boxes...0 keys
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1055	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:16:00 - [26625] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: You know, I think I'm gonna keep using the cloak. She's made me her bitch, and try as I might I cannot leave her. I just love the feeling of sneaking around unseen. I'll just have to deal with the horrid swap delay and hope they revert it eventually. Hey you! Go find my Quafes and bring them here... I'll give you all my ISK + all that in my Altbank (around 19 billion.) - come again? Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1968	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:20:00 - [26626] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: You know, I think I'm gonna keep using the cloak. She's made me her bitch, and try as I might I cannot leave her. I just love the feeling of sneaking around unseen. I'll just have to deal with the horrid swap delay and hope they revert it eventually. Hey you! Go find my Quafes and bring them here... I'll give you all my ISK + all that in my Altbank (around 19 billion.) - come again? Read my rage post about my Quafe ck.0s going poof. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò V GùòS¦¦n++killer of Cat Merc/Feathered overlord of all. 15 Quafe Ck.0s! 357 boxes...0 keys
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1055	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:31:00 - [26627] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: You know, I think I'm gonna keep using the cloak. She's made me her bitch, and try as I might I cannot leave her. I just love the feeling of sneaking around unseen. I'll just have to deal with the horrid swap delay and hope they revert it eventually. Hey you! Go find my Quafes and bring them here... I'll give you all my ISK + all that in my Altbank (around 19 billion.) - come again? Read my rage post about my Quafe ck.0s going poof. Oh. I, uh, I can't help you with that. -»\_(pâä)_/-» Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1968	Posted - 2014.12.17 06:45:00 - [26628] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: You know, I think I'm gonna keep using the cloak. She's made me her bitch, and try as I might I cannot leave her. I just love the feeling of sneaking around unseen. I'll just have to deal with the horrid swap delay and hope they revert it eventually. Hey you! Go find my Quafes and bring them here... I'll give you all my ISK + all that in my Altbank (around 19 billion.) - come again? Read my rage post about my Quafe ck.0s going poof. Oh. I, uh, I can't help you with that. -»\_(pâä)_/-» I wish it was a valid reason to sue CCP. Frantically checking to see if I have any from Valentines day last year. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò V GùòS¦¦n++killer of Cat Merc/Feathered overlord of all. 15 Quafe Ck.0s! 357 boxes...0 keys
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 113	Posted - 2014.12.17 08:23:00 - [26629] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: jace silencerww wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I would just like to reiterate before I take the time to read over the EWAR numbers that taking away the knife bonus on the minja will just make the Gal scout a better knifer (because superior low slots). You would have to give Minmatar super duper hack bonuses, or superior than Gallente Dampening bonuses (the latter of which I certainly don't recommend) in order to even circumstantially give people a reason to run Minmatar over Gallente. Otherwise, Gal Scouts could just throw on a Code Breaker (or have a fit just with Code Breakers) and they would be a good enough substitute for hacking that it would be insane to throw all that SP in a Minmatar scouts for so little marginal benefit. Minjas have been overly dcked over enough as it is. I haven't even gotten to what might be Minja killing EWAR changes, and you are already talking about making them more meaningless. Absolutely boggles my mind. By this same logic isn't the Cal a terrible scout? What with their oh so terrible 2 low slots. They sure don't seem to be struggling. ok caldari scouts have a broke hit box plus they are stacking shield plus they have a 15% DAMPING as their bonus plus 10% range per level. so two dampners and a proto and poof unscannable. oh btw thanks CCP Rattati* for killing the Minnie scout with the final numbers in your EWAR Concentric Circle Scan Falloff Design how is a Minnie scout going to nova knife people? run dampners and we don't have the speed to close in behind reds. run speed and get spotted at 10-25 meters. so yea thanks again... there goes a huge waste of time and skill points learned to run Minnie scout & nova kniving. You see, right there is your problem. Don't get spotted let me rephrase that I show up on the tacnet radar as get spotted.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1055	Posted - 2014.12.17 09:25:00 - [26630] - Quote What do you guys run in your "pirate" flaylock/NK build? Convince me, pull me over to the dark side Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.

Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6948	Posted - 2014.12.17 12:50:00 - [26631] - Quote I sometimes wonder is dust was originaly ment for the PC, just simple things like aiming seem to be made for far more pinpoint shots than the average gamer can preform. Maybe I'm just tired.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1246	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:59:00 - [26632] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: VICTORY IS MINE! Scout EWAR interplay is as close as ever to balanced, and for once, each of the four Scouts has a meaningful function. What we're seeing is undoing of progress; a reversion to "Go GalScout or Go Home". I wouldn't jump straight to "VICTORY" ... I must admit that I was wrong about this, Iggy. Still seeing a healthy mix of Scouts running about. CA Scout recon loadouts are far less effective, but the suit still makes for competent combat and sniping loadouts. GA Scouts are still most common and arguably the most well-rounded. MN Scouts remain effective and fun to run. I still see AM Scouts in play but haven't the slightest idea why; haven't pulled mine out since 1.9. All that to say, where I'd expected 3 out of 4 Scouts to be found under the bus, only 1 was kneecapped in the end. We'll need to find something fun to replace the role of "recon scout" ...
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2075	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:12:00 - [26633] - Quote Playing Dragon Age. Roleing as a Human Knight Enchanter Mage who has no love for Necromancy or Bloodmagic and comes down hard on misbehaving mages, having sentenced several to Tranquillity for their crimes (though the Templars can go **** themselves for what they did). Needless to say I get on pretty well with Cassandra at times and I feel like she's learning to trust me... Went off into a random side mission, epic quest ensues. Walk out with some cool gear. Including a staff that glows red and has a human skull attached to the top of it. That combined with my new Black and Grey robes... I think Cass is starting to look at me funny... "Honest, I just look like a scary bad ass, I'm really just a nerd!" We'll bang, OK?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20278	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:55:00 - [26634] - Quote Sentencing someone to Tranquility = Sentencing someone to DUST? A terrible punishment, truly. Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1246	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:36:00 - [26635] - Quote @ Scouts With Passive Scans as they are today and Active Scans the forte of another, tomorrow's Scout will be less about scouting and more about sneaking, shenanigans and assassination. All far more fun and rewarding than recon, so you'll hear no complaints from me :-) If tomorrow's Scouts are to become more like Assassins, shouldn't each have a knife of his own? http://i.imgur.com/IeaUIzU.jpg And how might each of these beauties behave? Uncharged Attack Each exactly the same. Because Knife Duels are badass, and they're better this way. Minmatar, Charged Attack * Today's blades in Min skin * Equal damage to armor and shields * "Don't touch my knives, bro." - Musturd Amarr, Charged Attack * Four fast slashes * Quick to charge * Slight stunlock on hit * High damage to armor; lower damage to shields * Inspiration: http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Flurry_of_blows Gallente, Charged Attack * Like a fist of flux * Quick to charge * Perfectly silent with slightly longer range * High damage to shields; lower damage to armor * Inspiration: http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/High-frequency_blade Caldari, Charged Attack * Ballistic knives, mothatruckahs! * Slow to charge * One projectile fired per charge; total "ammo" of two * Projectiles regenerate after cooldown * Equal damage to armor and shields * Inspiration: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Ballistic_Knife ( ^ feel free to substitute your own ideas!)
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5852	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:56:00 - [26636] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: What do you guys run in your "pirate" flaylock/NK build? Convince me, pull me over to the dark side WellGÇª Nothing is more satisfying than Hitting that jump spinning Heavy with a Breach flay lock after a glancing blow from the Knives. The low splash range of the breach with the high base damage makes for a mass damage blow to the Heavy. And says Quote: Arrr boyo mate you be sinking to Davey Jones Locker Also Fluxes are a premium grenade now, so Flaylock is good for cleaning out those nests of spam (people still don't spread stuff out) Low fitting cost in PGGÇª moar room for Kinz Minja already have an eye patch MOAR Ladders
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1979	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:57:00 - [26637] - Quote ^^^ I like this idea. :D Minmatar 100.00 DMG (basic/militia) Caldari 120.00 Amarr -5% to shields +5% to armor 50.00 (per blow = 200.00. or am I doing something wrong?) Gallente 1m range One strike per charge, 1 strike = a flux. (meaning it would be wise to have a second ready to finish them) -10% to armor +10% to shields 120.00 Back to caldari No recharge, but instead it has a longer 'reload' time. Similar to the PLC's time. Total ammo of 3. //// Projectiles regenerate during cooldown. 120.00 range of 7m. Tada! n+ÅS¦¦Gùò V GùòS¦¦n++killer of Cat Merc/Feathered overlord of all. 15 Quafe Ck.0s! 357 boxes...0 keys
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1248	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:59:00 - [26638] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2523330#post2523330 ^ Lots and lots of "oh, snap!" in here. Do recommend reading :-) Edit: Also, skilling Myos from 0 to 5
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1248	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:04:00 - [26639] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Gallente One strike per charge, 1 strike = a flux. (meaning it would be wise to have a second ready to finish them) Exactly what I was thinking. Pounce with GA Knives to eliminate shields. Follow up with AM Knives for a brutal pummeling. Running with Knives only would be a blast.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6689	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:14:00 - [26640] - Quote So what would be the point in ever running Minmatar except as the occasional speed hacking suit? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"



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