Final Proposal Numbers for eWAR changes from Rattati

Just now reading them, will comment in detail later.

This really makes me think Rattati is an idiot.

34m 15db Scan on Cal-Scout.
Or, Even better!

Amarr Scout. 14dB at 34m

You know what it takes to beat 14dB precision? Gal-Scout with 3 damps and a cloak.
Or Amarr Scout with 4 complex dampeners and a cloak.

You could help so much more, if you chose to be constructive. That being said, that comment is on the borderline, if not crossing.

You could help so much more, if you chose to be constructive. That being said, that comment is on the borderline, if not crossing.

Sorry guys my hands are clean of this since apparently I am not an expert at anything.

You could help so much more, if you chose to be constructive. That being said, that comment is on the borderline, if not crossing.


"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

You could help so much more, if you chose to be constructive. That being said, that comment is on the borderline, if not crossing.

Sorry guys my hands are clean of this since apparently I am not an expert at anything.

So, Logi with 2x precision and 2x range amps will have a "short range" 30m, 360-¦ focused scanner.

I'm having a hard time to contain my rage. This **** ain't funny. At all.

I'm working on a proposal, but this is gonna take a while.

You could help so much more, if you chose to be constructive. That being said, that comment is on the borderline, if not crossing.

Ah yes, who else would inform you of the actual numbers for EWAR when a player min-maxes.
Who else could possibly point out that the breach SMG has the highest DPS of the sidearms but still costs more to fit than a Combat Rifle.
Who else would hope the Sniper Rifle would become a meaningful parts of the game yet see their favorite weapon nerfed because a Dev would rather stick to that Dev's opinions and ignore the player with more sniper rifle kills than anyone else in the game.

How was that Charge Sniper Rifle treating people? I know my friend refuses to play because it lost 200m and 2 bullets per clip.

Who was it that asked "How far away do you actually kill people with the sniper rifle from?" Got a response of "over 400m, often over 500m" and decided 350m was a good range?.

No, no. It's alright. I think it is much better to agree with someone that never participated in a Corp Battle or a PC match
Or a player that has less experience actually playing the game than even our newest regulars.

Or a player that gets upset when directly quoted and calls it misquote and finding every way to defend themselves again people that are clearly just antagonizing him.

Oh, that's right.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2371993#post2371993

It is apparently unusual to point out obvious things, like saying one number is bigger than another.

That's not true at all, you're an expert at getting people to support some of the worst ideas ever proposed on the forums.
Some prime examples were those that complained about scouts and cloaks, yet those same ones mysteriously changed their tune when purchasable skill point refunds appeared on the market.

Then I guess my greatest accomplishment was the 1.7 scout buff; that was absolutely a terrible idea and should never have happened.

Then I guess my greatest accomplishment was the 1.7 scout buff; that was absolutely a terrible idea and should never have happened.

And what part of that, exactly, was your idea?
You just happened to do something entirely different from what you did with your work on Sniper Rifles and pushed for the opinion of the people that actually used the suit over your own opinion.
Good job on that, by the way. I really don't think I can compliment this group enough for having a much more influential role than the last one.
Because all I see is another person with a CPM tag rewriting the past despite quotable posts saying otherwise.

Ok everyone calm down and remember what's important here so we can stay on topic.

What colour do you think Shottys underpants are today?

Design Principles
Lvl 5 precision Assault should scan lvl 5 scouts in close - check; now even works for GAL/CAL scouts
Close Range should be long enough and strong enough to matter - check; still good, just not as good when someone dedicates a suit to dampening
Not changing Scout base numbers at all; this round - broken; it had to be done, for balance
One dampener should get Mediums some benefit - check; one damp gets you below everything that does not have precision enhancers and that is not a proto scanner
One precision should get Mediums some benefit - check; you can scan anything that is undampened
3X dampening on Sentinel should get good benefit - check; not much to say really. If you really want to use damps on a sentinel, you can. It's just still nowhere near as good as for other suits.
Scouts are now only unscannable in Medium and Long Range - broken; Scans are too strong to allow anyone to have scans that are unavoidable.

Looks like more Scout nerfs, Jebus. How 'bout we rollback that Logi range instead?

Can this be fixed by buffing Min scouts like Ratatti suggests?

I'm thinking, if we are continuing the theme of hunter and hunted, scout bonuses should be changed to fit these paradigms.

My proposal:

Hunters - Amarr scout, bonus to precision, stamina
Caldari, bonus to range andGǪ..maybe cloak duration? Fits the idea of wide flanking for ranged combat
Hunted - Gallente, bonus to damps andGǪ..maybe cloak recharge? Still fits the idea of stealth without further dampening bonuses
- Minmatar, bonus to damps and hacking. Dampening fits and is very important for hacking and knifing, particularly with these proposed EWAR changes.

Other necessary changes.

Nova knife damage buffed by 25%. Controversial to remove the Min knife bonus, but Min scouts would still be best knifers with damp bonus and highest speed. Would be nice to make knives better for other scouts as well.
Codebreakers in highs. Allows Min scouts to focus on hacking without sacrificing speed or damps. Gives all suits more high slot options, particularly useful for all scouts if shields and precision mods are going to have penalties.

What do people think?

Knives equipped, scan profile reduced