| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 1500 1600 1700 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 178 post(s) |
Varoth Drac
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
388
   |
Posted - 2014.11.20 15:29:00 -
[25351] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:At minimum, I think we should consider a 5dB buff to Assault Profile and Range improvements for both MedFrames. Frankly, I see no harm in further closing the gap with a 5dB buff to all MedFrame attributes (in addition to buffing range).
As for Active Scanner improvements, I'll elaborate:
* Proto Vanilla - No Change.
* Proto Focused - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec; buff Visibility to 10 sec.
* Proto Quantum - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec.
* Proto Proximity - Buff scan angle from 45 to 90 degrees; nerf cooldown to 15 sec.
* Proto Flux - Nerf scan angle from 90 to 60 degrees.
* Set Proximity and Flux to team-share; add lesser WP intel assist.
* Set Vanilla, Focused and Quantum to squad-share.
I disagree with the notion that scouts should lose their strength in precision. Firstly, AM and CA Scout roles are based upon recon; we can't strip away these roles and retain racial parity. Secondly, high-intensity scans by high-HP units would introduce new and significant imbalance.
To be honest, this would probably work nicely, with scout efficiency bonuses and hp mod drawbacks. Much simpler and less likely to break things than all my ideas. |
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
648
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 15:51:00 -
[25352] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:At minimum, I think we should consider a 5dB buff to Assault Profile and Range improvements for both MedFrames. Frankly, I see no harm in further closing the gap with a 5dB buff to all MedFrame attributes (in addition to buffing range).
As for Active Scanner improvements, I'll elaborate:
* Proto Vanilla - No Change.
* Proto Focused - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec; buff Visibility to 10 sec.
* Proto Quantum - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec.
* Proto Proximity - Buff scan angle from 45 to 90 degrees; nerf cooldown to 15 sec.
* Proto Flux - Nerf scan angle from 90 to 60 degrees.
* Set Proximity and Flux to team-share; add lesser WP intel assist.
* Set Vanilla, Focused and Quantum to squad-share.
I disagree with the notion that scouts should lose their strength in precision. Firstly, AM and CA Scout roles are based upon recon; we can't strip away these roles and retain racial parity. Secondly, high-intensity scans by high-HP units would introduce new and significant imbalance.
I like the scanner idea
I would say buff range to all suits other than scouts and maybe reduce the cloak range penalty to 50% at the least 25% at most. Give scout back some of a reason to want to use range/precison mods since everything else is being taken away.
|
Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
480
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 16:13:00 -
[25353] - Quote
Maybe its just me, but I've grown to like the cloak changes. There's alot less frontal assault nonsense, and catching a Scout while cloaked means alot more now. I'd still like to see firing while partially visible resolved, but abuse of the mechanic this round isn't as bad as last. |
Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
484
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 16:39:00 -
[25354] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:
As for Active Scanner improvements, I'll elaborate:
* Proto Vanilla - No Change.
* Proto Focused - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec and/or buff Visibility to 10 sec.
* Proto Quantum - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec.
* Proto Proximity - Buff scan angle from 45 to 90 degrees; nerf cooldown to 15 sec.
* Proto Flux - Nerf scan angle from 90 to 60 degrees.
* Set Proximity and Flux to team-share; add lesser WP intel assist.
* Set Vanilla, Focused and Quantum to squad-share.
* Also, we need to find a way to fix the Logi + Supply Depot = Infinite Scans |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
8115
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 16:43:00 -
[25355] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:
As for Active Scanner improvements, I'll elaborate:
* Proto Vanilla - No Change.
* Proto Focused - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec and/or buff Visibility to 10 sec.
* Proto Quantum - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec.
* Proto Proximity - Buff scan angle from 45 to 90 degrees; nerf cooldown to 15 sec.
* Proto Flux - Nerf scan angle from 90 to 60 degrees.
* Set Proximity and Flux to team-share; add lesser WP intel assist.
* Set Vanilla, Focused and Quantum to squad-share.
* Also, we need to find a way to fix the Logi + Supply Depot = Infinite Scans
The answer is simple. RE Trap the Supp Dep before hand 
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
|
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6026
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 16:46:00 -
[25356] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:@ But My Skillz, Brah
Which of the following more aptly describes the state of strafing in Dust 514?
A) Moving deliberately in attempt to throw an opponent's aim.
B) Spraying frantically while mashing ADAD or wiggling thumb.
@ But My Shields, Brah
Not as frequently as before, but I still bump into heavily shielded CalScouts running Reactives or Ferros. These units -- arguably the best wigglers around -- would walk away unscathed by a strafe nerf to vanilla plates. Because of these units, I'm inclined to agree with Rattati in that shields should also be under the scope. But for the MinScout! Most are extremely squishy and entirely reliant upon their shield buffer; their lows are committed damps, kincats or codebreakers (seldom King HP). A hefty sig nerf to shield extenders would assuredly slam the MinScout, but again, the uparmored CalScout dodges the bullet. What care hath the CalScout for stealth when we need only wiggle when fired upon?
What to do ... what to do. You guys have any ideas?
(TPLAK)
I honestly don't see a problem at this point with the speed penalty to shields. Rattati made a good point that whatever generates that shield has weight.
He also pointed out that it would be a much lower penalty because of lower weight, so I don't know that it would be too onerous a penalty.
I think that giving how hard it is for Minmatar to beat scans as it is, if the penalty were to profile instead of speed that it would have a much greater detrimental effect for Minjas.
Vitantur Nothus wrote:Maybe its just me, but I've grown to like the cloak changes. There's alot less frontal assault nonsense, and catching a Scout while cloaked means alot more now. I'd still like to see firing while partially visible resolved, but abuse of the mechanic this round isn't as bad as last.
In my limited day of playing with the changes, I was shot by shotgunners and a bolt pistol from invisibility head on.
Perhaps the clunkiness prevents some of it, but yuck. I wish the penalty could have been implemented in a smoother fashion. I felt like I was fighting with the controls the whole time.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
|
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
337
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 16:54:00 -
[25357] - Quote
My minja has to decide, hp or EWAR. I wish I could have both but I picked the wrong race
The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
|
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
337
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 16:55:00 -
[25358] - Quote
For sucking as much as I do I sure did pick the wrong race
The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
|
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6026
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 16:57:00 -
[25359] - Quote
Bright Steel wrote:My minja has to decide, hp or EWAR. I wish I could have both but I picked the wrong race
It is not easy an has borne the brunt of the scout nerfs disproportionately because they have been less precise lately.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
|
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
13834
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 17:00:00 -
[25360] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:
* Also, we need to find a way to fix the Logi + Supply Depot = Infinite Scans
How about making the cooldown of ACSs tied to the suit?
That way, if they switch out they'll still have to wait for the cooldown to end.
The 1st Matari Commando
-HAND
|
|
|
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6026
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 17:01:00 -
[25361] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:
* Also, we need to find a way to fix the Logi + Supply Depot = Infinite Scans
How about making the cooldown of ACSs tied to the suit? That way, if they switch out they'll still have to wait for the cooldown to end.
If that is easy to code that sounds like that would work to me.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
|
Llast 326
An Arkhos
5511
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 17:12:00 -
[25362] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:Bright Steel wrote:My minja has to decide, hp or EWAR. I wish I could have both but I picked the wrong race It is not easy an has borne the brunt of the scout nerfs disproportionately because they have been less precise lately.
This is the thing I worry about across all suits and in Balance discussions.
The tendency is to lump all things as a roleGǪ without the considerations about how it affects each suit in that role. This goes for Role Buffs and Nerfs, if one factional suit is doing much better than the others and you buff the role as a whole, we end up with the suit that was good before over performing, we nerf a role because one or two suits are over performing and the ones that war okay or under performing become way less viable.
Factions all function under different principle as well, and some aspects of the role lend well to functions. Look at Commandos, Min Commando does great at AV(better than most suits), should all Commandos take a nerf to AV (assuming it were OP) or should the Min be adjusted. Arguments could be made that they have OP Wallhacks with the new Vehicle detection rangeGǪ and Commandos should not get that crutchGǪ (No i am not seriousGǪ but one day someone will say it seriously )
Maybe sometimes we (Dust Community) should look at the bottom performer in the role and ask "is this working? Should we bring this up to the others or the others down to this? It may work better than nerf the role because XFaction is OP.
MOAR Ladders
|
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6029
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 17:21:00 -
[25363] - Quote
Llast 326 wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Bright Steel wrote:My minja has to decide, hp or EWAR. I wish I could have both but I picked the wrong race It is not easy an has borne the brunt of the scout nerfs disproportionately because they have been less precise lately. This is the thing I worry about across all suits and in Balance discussions. The tendency is to lump all things as a roleGǪ without the considerations about how it affects each suit in that role. This goes for Role Buffs and Nerfs, if one factional suit is doing much better than the others and you buff the role as a whole, we end up with the suit that was good before over performing, we nerf a role because one or two suits are over performing and the ones that war okay or under performing become way less viable. Factions all function under different principle as well, and some aspects of the role lend well to functions. Look at Commandos, Min Commando does great at AV(better than most suits), should all Commandos take a nerf to AV (assuming it were OP) or should the Min be adjusted. Arguments could be made that they have OP Wallhacks with the new Vehicle detection rangeGǪ and Commandos should not get that crutchGǪ (No i am not seriousGǪ but one day someone will say it seriously ) Maybe sometimes we (Dust Community) should look at the bottom performer in the role and ask "is this working? Should we bring this up to the others or the others down to this? It may work better than nerf the role because XFaction is OP.
I wish we had access to the data of the performance.
I know Rattati showed us top 5 performers in PC, but I would like to see a larger list to see where all suits fit in. This would give us a better idea of what needs adjusted and what needs protected.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
|
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
338
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 17:25:00 -
[25364] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:Llast 326 wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Bright Steel wrote:My minja has to decide, hp or EWAR. I wish I could have both but I picked the wrong race It is not easy an has borne the brunt of the scout nerfs disproportionately because they have been less precise lately. This is the thing I worry about across all suits and in Balance discussions. The tendency is to lump all things as a roleGǪ without the considerations about how it affects each suit in that role. This goes for Role Buffs and Nerfs, if one factional suit is doing much better than the others and you buff the role as a whole, we end up with the suit that was good before over performing, we nerf a role because one or two suits are over performing and the ones that war okay or under performing become way less viable. Factions all function under different principle as well, and some aspects of the role lend well to functions. Look at Commandos, Min Commando does great at AV(better than most suits), should all Commandos take a nerf to AV (assuming it were OP) or should the Min be adjusted. Arguments could be made that they have OP Wallhacks with the new Vehicle detection rangeGǪ and Commandos should not get that crutchGǪ (No i am not seriousGǪ but one day someone will say it seriously ) Maybe sometimes we (Dust Community) should look at the bottom performer in the role and ask "is this working? Should we bring this up to the others or the others down to this? It may work better than nerf the role because XFaction is OP. I wish we had access to the data of the performance. I know Rattati showed us top 5 performers in PC, but I would like to see a larger list to see where all suits fit in. This would give us a better idea of what needs adjusted and what needs protected.
I can see it now... MPS
Minmatar
Protection
Service
The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
|
Kaeru Nayiri
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
196
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 17:40:00 -
[25365] - Quote
Varoth Drac wrote:
It would be interesting if scouts had to rely on scans from logis in the same way heavies rely on logi reps. It might be impractical though due to the level or teamwork required. It's easier to be a logi, see a sentinal and think "ooo delicious war points", than to think "my scout friends need scans or they are gonna get squished".
edit:
TPLAK
This really isn't as unreasonable as you think it is. Make a thread about it in the Features. I for one would love if scouts had to rely on logis for good scans. |
Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
484
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 17:58:00 -
[25366] - Quote
Kaeru Nayiri wrote:
This really isn't as unreasonable as you think it is. Make a thread about it in the Features. I for one would love if scouts had to rely on logis for good scans.
Like this one?
Logi gk.0
HS: Cmp Precision (x3)
LS: Cmp Range (x2), Cmp Plates (x3)
PW: Prototype ACR
GR: Prototype Flux
EQ1: Prototype Repper
EQ2: Prototype Hive
EQ3: Prototype Active Scanner (Focused)
EQ4: Prototype Active Scanner (Flux)
If Scouts and Logis swapped Precision, I can think of all kinds of problems here. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17795
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 18:42:00 -
[25367] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I would like to note the following
Submarines do not have superior Sensors
Stealth Fighters do not have superior Sensors
Stealth Bombers do not have superior Sensors
Jamming Birds do not have superior stealth
Strike Fighters do not have superior stealth or scanners
C3 birds do not have superior stealth. SR-71 Blackbird * Speedy * Stealthy * Recon-oriented * Sidearms Only (jokes)
Hello
Speed
Stealth
Had terrible sensors still (Mk 2 optics aka Cameras)
No Weapons
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
|
Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
488
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 18:45:00 -
[25368] - Quote
# 1 downsides to traveling faster than bullets:
Hits self if shoots bullet.  |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17795
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 18:51:00 -
[25369] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:#1 downside to traveling faster than bullets: Hits self when shoots bullet.
Eventually.
Another problem when you travel that fast.
Bombs like to fly back up and smack right into your wings.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
|
IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
1915
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:00:00 -
[25370] - Quote
This is a video game............stipulating a rule because real life shows correlation doesn't mean it should dictate the change made.
In the environment those examples are placed, they do an excellent job of their role.
EX: submarines have better sensors than any other watercraft that goes under the water.
PS. F22 does it all.
My Youtube
Biomassed Podcast
|
|
|
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
340
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:02:00 -
[25371] - Quote
Vitantur Nothus wrote:#1 downside to traveling faster than bullets: Hits self when shoots bullet.
My minja has this problem all the time 
The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
|
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
340
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:07:00 -
[25372] - Quote
Bright Steel wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:#1 downside to traveling faster than bullets: Hits self when shoots bullet. My minja has this problem all the time
Makes me so made I could eat a chimichanga, swallow some ball bearings, drink a quaff, bend over, fart and drop an amarian from 100 meters
The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
|
Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
492
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:12:00 -
[25373] - Quote
IgniteableAura wrote:
EX: submarines have better sensors than tuna fish.
FTFY
Bright Steel wrote:Makes me so made I could eat a chimichanga, swallow some ball bearings, drink a quaff, bend over, fart and drop an amarian from 100 meters
Gav's department. |
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
357
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:16:00 -
[25374] - Quote
I just skipped over to this point because who has the time to read 1,268 pages of barbershopiness?
I'm too lazy to put meaningful sigs here so have a triangle instead
l>
Ta da!
|
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6033
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:38:00 -
[25375] - Quote
sir RAVEN WING wrote:I just skipped over to this point because who has the time to read 1,268 pages of barbershopiness?
I am pretty sure Monk tried.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
|
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
358
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:39:00 -
[25376] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:I just skipped over to this point because who has the time to read 1,268 pages of barbershopiness? I am pretty sure Monk tried and failed.
FTFY
I miss when the forum was alive and not sploded (Page 514) well at least we have the after forum
This is the after forum, the old forum sploded when The Barbershop reached page 514 ...
|
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
649
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:54:00 -
[25377] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I would like to note the following
Submarines do not have superior Sensors
Stealth Fighters do not have superior Sensors
Stealth Bombers do not have superior Sensors
Jamming Birds do not have superior stealth
Strike Fighters do not have superior stealth or scanners
C3 birds do not have superior stealth. SR-71 Blackbird * Speedy * Stealthy * Recon-oriented * Sidearms Only (jokes) Hello Speed Stealth Had terrible sensors still (Mk 2 optics aka Cameras) No Weapons
Maybe we should try comparing scout to the F-35
https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities
|
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
359
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:56:00 -
[25378] - Quote
For the Hawk scout
also I just reached 514 kills with my Scout fit! Does that mean I explode?
This is the after forum, the old forum sploded when The Barbershop reached page 514 ...
|
Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
493
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 19:57:00 -
[25379] - Quote
Just wrapped up an Ambush match. City map.
Other side had one full squad of Gods of Men and another full squad of Captial Acquisitions. Fully 50% of the enemy team was running HMG Heavy. I counted three distinct Heavy blobs, each blob had Logi running reps.
I cannot emphasize enough how bad an idea it would be to buff these Heavy Blobs.
|
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6033
|
Posted - 2014.11.20 20:11:00 -
[25380] - Quote
Why are we even comparing infantry to vehicles?
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 1500 1600 1700 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |