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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

In case you haven't seen my insane ravings elsewhere, I have done the math on the nerf.

I will now get an entire 5m worth of range while cloaked.

Can someone tell me how that is any better than 0, and why they didn't just remove all passive range while cloaked?

I mean at that range, I will see and hear whatever is beside me even with cloak. And it will always be too late.

This is what I get for spending money on CCP.

Got me again guys!

Didn't see anything about the range nerf on the forum post before the Dev blog.

If I would have known better, I would have just gotten Persona 4 and even ended up saving 10 dollars.

We will revisit this like everything else that needs to. 5 m will at least give you the scout knifing you while you hack.

Ehhhh not really.

Knives have a 2.5m range now.

You detect at 5m

You have to turn around and shoot before he can cover 2.5m. Which he can cover in half a second IF WALKING.

You're dead. It's of no use.

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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 10129	Posted - 2014.11.04 03:06:00 - [24391] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: In case you haven't seen my insane ravings elsewhere, I have done the math on the nerf. I will now get an entire 5m worth of range while cloaked. Can someone tell me how that is any better than 0, and why they didn't just remove all passive range while cloaked? I mean at that range, I will see and hear whatever is beside me even with cloak. And it will always be too late. This is what I get for spending money on CCP. Got me again guys! Didn't see anything about the range nerf on the forum post before the Dev blog. If I would have known better, I would have just gotten Persona 4 and even ended up saving 10 dollars. We will revisit this like everything else that needs to. 5 m will at least give you the scout knifing you while you hack. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6902	Posted - 2014.11.04 03:12:00 - [24392] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: In case you haven't seen my insane ravings elsewhere, I have done the math on the nerf. I will now get an entire 5m worth of range while cloaked. Can someone tell me how that is any better than 0, and why they didn't just remove all passive range while cloaked? I mean at that range, I will see and hear whatever is beside me even with cloak. And it will always be too late. This is what I get for spending money on CCP. Got me again guys! Didn't see anything about the range nerf on the forum post before the Dev blog. If I would have known better, I would have just gotten Persona 4 and even ended up saving 10 dollars. We will revisit this like everything else that needs to. 5 m will at least give you the scout knifing you while you hack. But will the minimap adjust accordingly? Otherwise, you won't be able to see the red-dot through your own chevron. EDIT: Not that it really matters. Assault has 10m and it still isn't enough time to react as you're already within optimal range of everything. Well. Except for the Laser Rifle because #WeirdWeaponMechanics. Important Legion Transparency Post Lv5
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5413	Posted - 2014.11.04 03:13:00 - [24393] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: In case you haven't seen my insane ravings elsewhere, I have done the math on the nerf. I will now get an entire 5m worth of range while cloaked. Can someone tell me how that is any better than 0, and why they didn't just remove all passive range while cloaked? I mean at that range, I will see and hear whatever is beside me even with cloak. And it will always be too late. This is what I get for spending money on CCP. Got me again guys! Didn't see anything about the range nerf on the forum post before the Dev blog. If I would have known better, I would have just gotten Persona 4 and even ended up saving 10 dollars. We will revisit this like everything else that needs to. 5 m will at least give you the scout knifing you while you hack. Assuming that he isn't dampened. But so long as you keep a close Eye out on it. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7297	Posted - 2014.11.04 05:59:00 - [24394] - Quote Hey, guess who I ran into today!!! Shotty GoBang wrote: LEE GOLAND LEGOOSE LIGHTNING BOLT2 LIGHTNING XVX LILAH SILVERSTONE LLAST 326 Gave him 30 Mil ISK to get back on his feet, and told him what was up. He didn't even know that 1.9 was coming out I told him to check back here. He asked "Are you guys past 1k pages yet?" "Bro, we passed that a while ago XD" Anyways, lots of mercs are coming back. Should be fun times Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7297	Posted - 2014.11.04 06:02:00 - [24395] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: In case you haven't seen my insane ravings elsewhere, I have done the math on the nerf. I will now get an entire 5m worth of range while cloaked. Can someone tell me how that is any better than 0, and why they didn't just remove all passive range while cloaked? I mean at that range, I will see and hear whatever is beside me even with cloak. And it will always be too late. This is what I get for spending money on CCP. Got me again guys! Didn't see anything about the range nerf on the forum post before the Dev blog. If I would have known better, I would have just gotten Persona 4 and even ended up saving 10 dollars. We will revisit this like everything else that needs to. 5 m will at least give you the scout knifing you while you hack. Ehhhh not really. Knives have a 2.5m range now. You detect at 5m You have to turn around and shoot before he can cover 2.5m. Which he can cover in half a second IF WALKING. You're dead. It's of no use. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5418	Posted - 2014.11.04 06:11:00 - [24396] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: In case you haven't seen my insane ravings elsewhere, I have done the math on the nerf. I will now get an entire 5m worth of range while cloaked. Can someone tell me how that is any better than 0, and why they didn't just remove all passive range while cloaked? I mean at that range, I will see and hear whatever is beside me even with cloak. And it will always be too late. This is what I get for spending money on CCP. Got me again guys! Didn't see anything about the range nerf on the forum post before the Dev blog. If I would have known better, I would have just gotten Persona 4 and even ended up saving 10 dollars. We will revisit this like everything else that needs to. 5 m will at least give you the scout knifing you while you hack. Ehhhh not really. Knives have a 2.5m range now. You detect at 5m You have to turn around and shoot before he can cover 2.5m. Which he can cover in half a second IF WALKING. You're dead. It's of no use. Especially if he raptor jumps you. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1719	Posted - 2014.11.04 06:54:00 - [24397] - Quote Might make codebreakers that much more important though. But I agree. It's kind of a nerf to the cloaky hacky scouts ability to see danger coming and get away rather than the tanked light assault. Some GD mouth breathers seem to have a problem with scouts even being able to hack, or generally do anything even if it's not combat related. We'll bang, OK?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7304	Posted - 2014.11.04 07:05:00 - [24398] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Might make codebreakers that much more important though. But I agree. It's kind of a nerf to the cloaky hacky scouts ability to see danger coming and get away rather than the tanked light assault. Some GD mouth breathers seem to have a problem with scouts even being able to hack, or generally do anything even if it's not combat related. GD is a cesspool. Everyone is so butthurt over everything. Non-scouts want scouts nerfed to oblivion. Heavies want shotguns nerfed to oblivion. Shotguns want HMG nerfed to oblivion. AV and ADS is the best example. ADS sht all over the AV guys. Swarmers said they needed a buff or ADS nerf. ADS said they were fine. Tables are flipped. AV is shtting all over ADS. ADS says swarmers need nerf. AV says they are fine. The never ending circle. Everyone wants the easiest mode of play for their role, very few actually care about BALANCE (Or even knows what it means) Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1719	Posted - 2014.11.04 07:13:00 - [24399] - Quote AV got a buff? And yeah, I think a lot of the whining is people with <12 mil SP so only have one build to run with and have no idea how the other side lives. Or those with a lot of SP but have all if it specced into variations of one role (I'm looking at you people who have all 4 scouts maxed and nothing else). The only role I've spent <50 hours playing as is Assault. And surprise surprise, I'm one of the least ragey people here (IMO). Edit: By "here" I mean on the Dust forums. Not the Barbershop specifically. We'll bang, OK?
Alder King 127	Posted - 2014.11.04 08:11:00 - [24400] - Quote Hey what's wrong with having all scouts maxed. . . Oh, right. And that nothing else part. Walks away looking at the 25 million SP invested in just dropsuits Alder King? More like drag king.

Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6435	Posted - 2014.11.04 08:47:00 - [24401] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Might make codebreakers that much more important though. But I agree. It's kind of a nerf to the cloaky hacky scouts ability to see danger coming and get away rather than the tanked light assault. Some GD mouth breathers seem to have a problem with scouts even being able to hack, or generally do anything even if it's not combat related. How do I use more than one code breaker if my lows need to be filled with damps to stay away from new scans. T_T Most likely with one PG mod as well. What were we ignoring the minja, well then that's akward....... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Haerr Clone Manque 1779	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:00:00 - [24402] - Quote So patch day discussion. If you delete the client and redownload it you will first download ~2.3 GB then you have to download the patch which is ~1.1 GB.
Haerr Clone Manque 1779	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:01:00 - [24403] - Quote The new maps are not (currently) weighted higher than old maps, which means you might have to play a few games before seeing them.
Haerr Clone Manque 1779	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:29:00 - [24404] - Quote Oh hell yes. Login screen shows Haerr as a sexy Green Gallente Scout (Arbiter style baby!) :D
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1723	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:35:00 - [24405] - Quote Hey back when charlie dropped there was a triple SP event or something right? Back in August I think? We'll bang, OK?
Haerr Clone Manque 1780	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:59:00 - [24406] - Quote The Market Agent costs 18'000 AUR Respec costs 38'000 AUR
Legoose MARKII Nos Nothi 190	Posted - 2014.11.04 13:58:00 - [24407] - Quote Haerr wrote: The Market Agent costs 18'000 AUR Respec costs 38'000 AUR So you actually have to pay aur to utilize the market agent? Who is LeGoose anyway?
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2014.11.04 14:06:00 - [24408] - Quote @ All Respec worked (no bugs). @ Goose Agent improves buyback rates.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 909	Posted - 2014.11.04 14:31:00 - [24409] - Quote Haerr wrote: The Market Agent costs 18'000 AUR Respec costs 38'000 AUR Well ***, that's like $20 for a respec. No thanks. I can't use my PS3 for a while, give me the lowdown. How is the new framerate? The maps, especially the old ones? Tell me everything* Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5207	Posted - 2014.11.04 15:44:00 - [24410] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: FYI * Respec worked (no bugs). * Agent appears in MQ, does not appear to have an expiration timer and cannot be repurchased. * Selling FW Market items does not refund LP (only Isk). * Selling AUR-based items does not refund AUR (only Isk). * BPOs appear to sell at same rate as non-BPO equivalent. BUGS * Cannot sell Imperial Complex Armor Plates, State Complex Shield Extender @ Goose Agent improves buyback rate by 15%. Rdoes the market agent apply to all characters on one account MOAR Ladders

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5432	Posted - 2014.11.04 15:50:00 - [24411] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: Might make codebreakers that much more important though. But I agree. It's kind of a nerf to the cloaky hacky scouts ability to see danger coming and get away rather than the tanked light assault. Some GD mouth breathers seem to have a problem with scouts even being able to hack, or generally do anything even if it's not combat related. How do I use more than one code breaker if my lows need to be filled with damps to stay away from new scans. T_T Most likely with one PG mod as well. What were we ignoring the minja, well then that's akward....... We are the red headed stepchild of Dust. We always have been. If they need to have a role make sacrifices for the good of the rest, its usually us. Its a hard knock life for Minjas... 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5432	Posted - 2014.11.04 15:57:00 - [24412] - Quote Which Scanners are Team vs Squad? Is it the higher profile scanners that are team while lower ones are squad? Is there a random combination? 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Alder King 129	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:00:00 - [24413] - Quote So... I won't be playing for a while. no access to ps3 again. Alder King? More like drag king.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5433	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:13:00 - [24414] - Quote Alder King wrote: So... I won't be playing for a while. no access to ps3 again. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:18:00 - [24415] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Which Scanners are Team vs Squad? Is it the higher profile scanners that are team while lower ones are squad? Is there a random combination? At least one of them is sharing team-wide, but I'm not sure which one(s). Scan spamming as we speak; haven't been awarded WP yet for any of the proto variants I've tested thusfar.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7321	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:21:00 - [24416] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Which Scanners are Team vs Squad? Is it the higher profile scanners that are team while lower ones are squad? Is there a random combination? At least one of them is sharing team-wide, but I'm not sure which one(s). Scan spamming as we speak; haven't been awarded WP yet for any of the proto variants I've tested thusfar. Known Bug Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 14	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:26:00 - [24417] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Which Scanners are Team vs Squad? Is it the higher profile scanners that are team while lower ones are squad? Is there a random combination? At least one of them is sharing team-wide, but I'm not sure which one(s). Scan spamming as we speak; haven't been awarded WP yet for any of the proto variants I've tested thusfar. Known Bug That explains my lack of progress :-) @ OEK OCorpmates are saying all AS share teamwide now. I've no way to confirm without WP.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5433	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:29:00 - [24418] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Which Scanners are Team vs Squad? Is it the higher profile scanners that are team while lower ones are squad? Is there a random combination? At least one of them is sharing team-wide, but I'm not sure which one(s). Scan spamming as we speak; haven't been awarded WP yet for any of the proto variants I've tested thusfar. Known Bug That explains my lack of progress :-) @ OEK OCorpmates are saying all AS share teamwide now. I've no way to confirm without WP. That sounds like a bug. Or a major problem. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 14	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:37:00 - [24419] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Which Scanners are Team vs Squad? Is it the higher profile scanners that are team while lower ones are squad? Is there a random combination? At least one of them is sharing team-wide, but I'm not sure which one(s). Scan spamming as we speak; haven't been awarded WP yet for any of the proto variants I've tested thusfar. Known Bug That explains my lack of progress :-) @ OEK OCorpmates are saying all AS share teamwide now. I've no way to confirm without WP. That sounds like a bug. Or a major problem. Yup. Getting scanned early and often when I'm not heavily damped. Other observations: * Gameplay feels smoother; played Lag Research Facility; found no lag. * Cloak-blind actually feels natural; perhaps less noticeable given current AS spam. * Fire-from-cloak does not appear to have changed. * Isk payouts are kinda wild at the moment; received 800k for an Ambush match.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5207	Posted - 2014.11.04 17:05:00 - [24420] - Quote Scanners Bugged Off course they are LMAO MOAR Ladders



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