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shaman oga wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

Hello boys & girls, how are you doing in here?

Seems like you are worried for the cloak and EW thing, certainly it would not be easy like it was before, but i think this change it's fair, afterall when you see where is your enemy, you have an entire library of tactics to use to defeat him, while he only have one chance.
Things are going in the right direction, at least for the balancing aspect of the game, the rest of 1.9 is a moneygrabber thing, but afterall for us it's a game, for CCP is both a game and a job, can't blame them for this.

It is understandable that there is an offensive quality to the cloak that can be OP and can be abused.

What I don't like about the fix is that it negates many of the defensive qualities of the cloak as well.

I would much rather see other adjustments that would directly address offensive issues of scouts without eroding the ability of scouts doing other things than slaying.

The more I see of all the changes, particularly adding on the Active Scanner changes, I am wondering if that will create a wash for slayer scouts (ie not nerfing them near enough), yet maintaining the significant nerf to hackers (who were never OP to begin with).

I understand, in my opinion, i use cloak to move in open spaces and to hack installations, i can be sorrounded by enemies and keep hacking, sincerely i don't care if i can see them in passive or not i would hack anyway, from tomorrow i will just have to pay attention when i turn around.
Cloak while hacking objective is "almost" useless (if solo), the letters blink and not all enemies are so unaware.

But after all i agree, cloak nerf will hurt more scout than light assault, i've skilled level 3 cal scout, i play light assault with it, fast recovery is the key, but if you have fast recovery with a lot HP it becomes unbalanced.

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One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5335	Posted - 2014.11.03 05:40:00 - [24361] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Yes, but using a cloak is kinda like saying "shoot me all you heavies, cause you can just sneak up on me from anywhere within your HMG's optimal" Because none of your team will be providing some scans for you? Works both ways man. Expect those heavies to be shining on your screen if you are going through a high-traffic area. For low traffic areas? You shouldn't have to worry about scans in the first place. In which case you leave cloak off, use that passive, knife in the back and hack the point. It's not perfect, but this isn't doomsday. Here is the question. How can those scouts scan if they are also cloaked? How can those scouts survive being within range of a heavy without being cloaked? I can see a number of different circumstances, and I really don't know what is going to play out, but if anything, active scanners will be more of the help than passive shared from friendly scouts. Passive Scanning on a scout will be dead. Sucks, but our main strength will then be in DODGING the scans (Like back in the old days) Remember, Active scans will still be a priority thing. Med frames will be scanning the front lines to keep track of targets. Damped scouts will dodge these scans, and sneak BEHIND their lines. Nobody really scans their own backfield, because it's a waste of resources. Scans are better spent in high traffic areas due to long cool down. Meanwhile, your TEAM will be scanning the area ahead of you, lighting up all non-scout frames. You will use these scans to position yourself, then de-cloak and wreck havoc. While they turn around to deal with you, frontlines push up, taking advantage of a flank opportunity. This might work in PC, and I hope that still makes you a viable Minja PC scout. I play in pubs... Solo... With the new Mu I am always against a squad... And I often avoid front lines to hack, which means I will need to carry my own scanner, or simply risk uncloaking and being seen. I just hope that all thing things I can't see or predict happen to be good things. Right now none of it sounds good to me. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7256	Posted - 2014.11.03 05:43:00 - [24362] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: This might work in PC, and I hope that still makes you a viable Minja PC scout. I play in pubs... Solo... With the new Mu I am always against a squad... And I often avoid front lines to hack, which means I will need to carry my own scanner, or simply risk uncloaking and being seen. I just hope that all thing things I can't see or predict happen to be good things. Right now none of it sounds good to me. I honestly think that your own personal Proximity Scanner will be the best tool. Since scans will come back, less people will think of the "YOU'VE BEEN SCANNED" popping up on the screen, and should give you some room to work. As for PC scout? I think I'll still be viable. Even if not, I'll have Proto Min Assault and Min Commando, which gives you a lot of room to work in PC. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Cass Caul 1397	Posted - 2014.11.03 06:15:00 - [24363] - Quote No comments from the typical spectators yet? And I really started to think of them as regulars. Anyway, back to "Gallente weather the storm and Minmatar get swept away in it." I think Ghost is really missing the point. Decloaking to use an active scanner and re-cloaking is the same as just decloaking for access to passive scans and re-cloaking. As someone that would rather play solo than play with other people I don't have a mic or when I refuse to play with people that don't have mics, I get your point Rex. My School of Thought is: hack first, kill second. Even though I want to play kill-first hack-second I just can't leave an undefended null cannon console alone... unless I'm not in a scout suit. The effectiveness of a Min-Scout is going down. On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7256	Posted - 2014.11.03 06:21:00 - [24364] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: No comments from the typical spectators yet? And I really started to think of them as regulars. Anyway, back to "Gallente weather the storm and Minmatar get swept away in it." I think Ghost is really missing the point. Decloaking to use an active scanner and re-cloaking is the same as just decloaking for access to passive scans and re-cloaking. As someone that would rather play solo than play with other people I don't have a mic or when I refuse to play with people that don't have mics, I get your point Rex. My School of Thought is: hack first, kill second. Even though I want to play kill-first hack-second I just can't leave an undefended null cannon console alone... unless I'm not in a scout suit. The effectiveness of a Min-Scout is going down. Looking back I completely missed that. Granted, I run ZERO eWAR on my scout. Hell, I don't even have Precision or Range to V. I just sit back damped and carefully observe to see who is on the point. And then wait until they overextend. Hack the point and defend. Cloaking while moving is dumb because of the false sense of security (In high traffic areas), so I just have gotten used to the old style of dodging scans with damps, and using speed and cover to my advantage. I would start bringing an active scanner to augment my horrid eWAR by letting me see what is on a point beforehand, rather than cloaking and walking up and seeing far too much for me to handle. Yawn I really need to get to sleep Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 2979	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:50:00 - [24365] - Quote Hello boys & girls, how are you doing in here? Seems like you are worried for the cloak and EW thing, certainly it would not be easy like it was before, but i think this change it's fair, afterall when you see where is your enemy, you have an entire library of tactics to use to defeat him, while he only have one chance. Things are going in the right direction, at least for the balancing aspect of the game, the rest of 1.9 is a moneygrabber thing, but afterall for us it's a game, for CCP is both a game and a job, can't blame them for this. With my friend FOTM Duke
voidfaction Nos Nothi 621	Posted - 2014.11.03 14:57:00 - [24366] - Quote So tomorrow I can sell all my precision/range mods? I guess a HP shotgun gal scout will be the way to go since an eWAR gal scout was so OP.
Haerr Clone Manque 1769	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:39:00 - [24367] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Delay I am ok with, and would be even if it were longer. Range reduction I am vehemently opposed to. Would rather see shared passives go. Exactly my point of view, though I wanna see how the delay works out first before lengthening it. Shared passives are a bane to balancing this game. Range nerf is unnecessary and completely stupid. Haerr, why???!!!! In fairness to Haerr, he requested that the scanning precision increase to 99. While it is effectively the same, it is distinct enough a difference for me to not hold it against Haerr too much. But he may be knifed when he is not looking. My body is ready! )xxxxx[;;;;;;;;;> (x_x) ... I think I would have prefered an increase in scan precision as well, though I am not sure. But seeing as how Team Sharing Active Scanners are now a thing the change feels pointless. It feels as if part of the reason that the cloak range thing went into 1.9 is this: CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5366	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:55:00 - [24368] - Quote @ Haerr I like how you both fell on your knife AND threw Llast under the bus. Very Basterdy of you. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5368	Posted - 2014.11.03 16:07:00 - [24369] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Hello boys & girls, how are you doing in here? Seems like you are worried for the cloak and EW thing, certainly it would not be easy like it was before, but i think this change it's fair, afterall when you see where is your enemy, you have an entire library of tactics to use to defeat him, while he only have one chance. Things are going in the right direction, at least for the balancing aspect of the game, the rest of 1.9 is a moneygrabber thing, but afterall for us it's a game, for CCP is both a game and a job, can't blame them for this. It is understandable that there is an offensive quality to the cloak that can be OP and can be abused. What I don't like about the fix is that it negates many of the defensive qualities of the cloak as well. I would much rather see other adjustments that would directly address offensive issues of scouts without eroding the ability of scouts doing other things than slaying. The more I see of all the changes, particularly adding on the Active Scanner changes, I am wondering if that will create a wash for slayer scouts (ie not nerfing them near enough), yet maintaining the significant nerf to hackers (who were never OP to begin with). 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 240	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:08:00 - [24370] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: I'll still be running Minja But I may need to borrow money from First Appia Bank, or the Iggy Investment Institute Minja will be hard mode as usual, if I wanted it to be easy I would have gone gal or cal. Adapt and overcome... This way when you die to a Minscout you know it was skill The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST

Cass Caul 1409	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:27:00 - [24371] - Quote Daylight Savings Time is stupid. It should be reversed. Why the **** did it need to be daylight at 5am? Dawn at 7am would have been much better. On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5197	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:44:00 - [24372] - Quote Haerr wrote: My body is ready! )xxxxx[;;;;;;;;;> (x_x) ... I think I would have prefered an increase in scan precision as well, though I am not sure. But seeing as how Team Sharing Active Scanners are now a thing the change feels pointless. It feels as if part of the reason that the cloak range thing went into 1.9 is this: CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Still if these were possible it would have been the best fix I believe. That coupled with modulated profilesGÇª still dreaming I know While I was under the bus I had a thought... Who is getting popcorn ready for the next NerfGÇª I think it will be HeaviesGÇª fat salty tears inbound MOAR Ladders
Haerr Clone Manque 1773	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:48:00 - [24373] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Haerr wrote: My body is ready! )xxxxx[;;;;;;;;;> (x_x) ... I think I would have prefered an increase in scan precision as well, though I am not sure. But seeing as how Team Sharing Active Scanners are now a thing the change feels pointless. It feels as if part of the reason that the cloak range thing went into 1.9 is this: CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Still if these were possible it would have been the best fix I believe. That coupled with modulated profilesGÇª still dreaming I know While I was under the bus I had a thought... Who is getting popcorn ready for the next NerfGÇª I think it will be HeaviesGÇª fat salty tears inbound I still hope that this will happen. I still hope that we will see a complete EWAR revamp, if not for Dust then at least for Legion.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5197	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:16:00 - [24374] - Quote GD wrote: Scouts are Brick tanking running around with more HP than blah blah nerd themGÇª they should be running EWAR thats what scouts are supposed to do GD wrote: Scouts are running EWAR they are not supposed to be good at thatGÇª they need to do scout thingsGÇª or something And we sit here trying to figure out how to make EWAR function in a fun and dynamic way MOAR Ladders
Cass Caul 1412	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:47:00 - [24375] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Haerr wrote: My body is ready! )xxxxx[;;;;;;;;;> (x_x) ... I think I would have prefered an increase in scan precision as well, though I am not sure. But seeing as how Team Sharing Active Scanners are now a thing the change feels pointless. It feels as if part of the reason that the cloak range thing went into 1.9 is this: CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Still if these were possible it would have been the best fix I believe. That coupled with modulated profilesGÇª still dreaming I know While I was under the bus I had a thought... Who is getting popcorn ready for the next NerfGÇª I think it will be HeaviesGÇª fat salty tears inbound Heavies are so fat, oily, and sweaty, that their tears are actually the same consistance and flavor as movie-theater popcorn butter. On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4360	Posted - 2014.11.03 19:24:00 - [24376] - Quote See that thread about possible new orbital strikes? Some really interesting ones. and those "solo" ones seem really intriguing. Also love that "spy uplink" thing, basically a deployable scanner. I remember suggesting it about a year ago. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Cass Caul 1415	Posted - 2014.11.03 19:28:00 - [24377] - Quote Spademan wrote: See that thread about possible new orbital strikes? Some really interesting ones. and those "solo" ones seem really intriguing. Also love that "spy uplink" thing, basically a deployable scanner. I remember suggesting it about a year ago. Likewise, but I made my issues known. Spy Uplink should be Spy Hive because New Eden. On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5388	Posted - 2014.11.03 20:15:00 - [24378] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Haerr wrote: My body is ready! )xxxxx[;;;;;;;;;> (x_x) ... I think I would have prefered an increase in scan precision as well, though I am not sure. But seeing as how Team Sharing Active Scanners are now a thing the change feels pointless. It feels as if part of the reason that the cloak range thing went into 1.9 is this: CCP Rattati wrote: Llast 326 wrote: You know what I would like to see in 1.9 Remove shared passiveGÇª it's to powerful but also Removal of the direction indicator on TacNetGÇª just give a dot. I agree with both, yet we are not able to for 1.9. Still if these were possible it would have been the best fix I believe. That coupled with modulated profilesGÇª still dreaming I know While I was under the bus I had a thought... Who is getting popcorn ready for the next NerfGÇª I think it will be HeaviesGÇª fat salty tears inbound My sense is that this patch will do little to reduce the efficacy of slayer scouts. I feel more nerfs coming our way. I don't know what will happen with heavies given the Active Scanner situation. If Mediums can be convinced to EWAR up, then it might be good for the Medium/Heavy Frame dynamic. If the Active Scanner situation merely spams Medium positions with little recourse for them, then it will continue to be a heavy bonanza. A heavy's weakness is supposed to be ambushes and flanks from multiple opponents. If they end up seeing them coming... 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 2986	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:47:00 - [24379] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: shaman oga wrote: Hello boys & girls, how are you doing in here? Seems like you are worried for the cloak and EW thing, certainly it would not be easy like it was before, but i think this change it's fair, afterall when you see where is your enemy, you have an entire library of tactics to use to defeat him, while he only have one chance. Things are going in the right direction, at least for the balancing aspect of the game, the rest of 1.9 is a moneygrabber thing, but afterall for us it's a game, for CCP is both a game and a job, can't blame them for this. It is understandable that there is an offensive quality to the cloak that can be OP and can be abused. What I don't like about the fix is that it negates many of the defensive qualities of the cloak as well. I would much rather see other adjustments that would directly address offensive issues of scouts without eroding the ability of scouts doing other things than slaying. The more I see of all the changes, particularly adding on the Active Scanner changes, I am wondering if that will create a wash for slayer scouts (ie not nerfing them near enough), yet maintaining the significant nerf to hackers (who were never OP to begin with). I understand, in my opinion, i use cloak to move in open spaces and to hack installations, i can be sorrounded by enemies and keep hacking, sincerely i don't care if i can see them in passive or not i would hack anyway, from tomorrow i will just have to pay attention when i turn around. Cloak while hacking objective is "almost" useless (if solo), the letters blink and not all enemies are so unaware. But after all i agree, cloak nerf will hurt more scout than light assault, i've skilled level 3 cal scout, i play light assault with it, fast recovery is the key, but if you have fast recovery with a lot HP it becomes unbalanced. With my friend FOTM Duke
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5398	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:07:00 - [24380] - Quote shaman oga wrote: One Eyed King wrote: shaman oga wrote: Hello boys & girls, how are you doing in here? Seems like you are worried for the cloak and EW thing, certainly it would not be easy like it was before, but i think this change it's fair, afterall when you see where is your enemy, you have an entire library of tactics to use to defeat him, while he only have one chance. Things are going in the right direction, at least for the balancing aspect of the game, the rest of 1.9 is a moneygrabber thing, but afterall for us it's a game, for CCP is both a game and a job, can't blame them for this. It is understandable that there is an offensive quality to the cloak that can be OP and can be abused. What I don't like about the fix is that it negates many of the defensive qualities of the cloak as well. I would much rather see other adjustments that would directly address offensive issues of scouts without eroding the ability of scouts doing other things than slaying. The more I see of all the changes, particularly adding on the Active Scanner changes, I am wondering if that will create a wash for slayer scouts (ie not nerfing them near enough), yet maintaining the significant nerf to hackers (who were never OP to begin with). I understand, in my opinion, i use cloak to move in open spaces and to hack installations, i can be sorrounded by enemies and keep hacking, sincerely i don't care if i can see them in passive or not i would hack anyway, from tomorrow i will just have to pay attention when i turn around. Cloak while hacking objective is "almost" useless (if solo), the letters blink and not all enemies are so unaware. But after all i agree, cloak nerf will hurt more scout than light assault, i've skilled level 3 cal scout, i play light assault with it, fast recovery is the key, but if you have fast recovery with a lot HP it becomes unbalanced. I often run across people who know I am hacking something, and run around the installation looking for me, with passives allowing me to evade them. CRUs are the worst because of people just popping in. With crosshairs that turn red, anyone can hipfire a rifle right at you, or even a shotgun, while being outside your effective scan range mid hack. Its complete the hack or die now. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7283	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:10:00 - [24381] - Quote Okay, went and updated my fittings for 1.9 Here are my 7 Mainstay suits for 1.9 Min Assault: Shield Min Assault: Armor Commando: Area Denial Commando: AV City Scout Point Assault Scout The Fist of Rust Feedback appreciated Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1856	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:16:00 - [24382] - Quote Starting to get more excited with thoughts on new orbital strikes....PRETTY LIGHTS! My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5400	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:19:00 - [24383] - Quote I kind of wish I could trade my Quaffe suit for one of those fancy new non shiny suits. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4363	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:33:00 - [24384] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I kind of wish I could trade my Quaffe suit for one of those fancy new non shiny suits. I'm not quite sure why you'd ever want that. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6398	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:35:00 - [24385] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Starting to get more excited with thoughts on new orbital strikes....PRETTY LIGHTS! And now I don't need to be in space with orbital rounds that earned me no killmails. seriously, what the hell? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5401	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:42:00 - [24386] - Quote Spademan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I kind of wish I could trade my Quaffe suit for one of those fancy new non shiny suits. I'm not quite sure why you'd ever want that. I like camo and reduced visibility to shiny any day. The other suits looked kind of cool. I really wish that Magma Musturd suit were a thing. Can you imagine seeing a molten knife wielding Minja coming your way? So many people would thunderbolt in their pants. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 4305	Posted - 2014.11.04 01:37:00 - [24387] - Quote This thread still exists, no f*****g way... Vehicle addict // caldari scout
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5406	Posted - 2014.11.04 01:42:00 - [24388] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: This thread still exists, no f*****g way... As strong as ever. Minus a couple people being grounded. And we are franchising. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6408	Posted - 2014.11.04 02:08:00 - [24389] - Quote On another note, I just realised I'm in the UK and not Bermuda, which means downtime is midday not morning. So yeah I stayed up fo nothing. I've also fallen back into the habit of sweeping the forums for hours on end, take that as you will. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
LeGoose SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 628	Posted - 2014.11.04 02:34:00 - [24390] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Spademan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I kind of wish I could trade my Quaffe suit for one of those fancy new non shiny suits. I'm not quite sure why you'd ever want that. I like camo and reduced visibility to shiny any day. The other suits looked kind of cool. I really wish that Magma Musturd suit were a thing. Can you imagine seeing a molten knife wielding Minja coming your way? So many people would thunderbolt in their pants. I love that you are attempting to make thunderbolt a swear word on these forums. Also I probably would thunderbolt in my pants if it were M mustard running at me with his officer knives Click it! I dare you...



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