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CCP Rattati wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Numbers aren't final, chip in your thoughts. I am worried though about the "Bolt pistol is fine", vs bolt pistol needs a big buff.

Moody is 2 and 3 shotting people at 60 m in his review and that's pretty good.

what about a headshot dmg and nothing else?

I personally say that the RoF needs to be increased, or the amount of time between shots decreased. The people being 2-3 shotted are more likely than not scouts or weak mediums.

Id say that a HS multiplier would be nice too tho, and perhaps we can work from there.

The real DPS of the bolt pistol is something around 250 IIRC, because of charge time stacking on top of delay between shots.

Also, PLEASE reconsider the flay lock fitting nerf. Minmatar suits are low PG high CPU suits, so it makes no sense that our pistol should have a higher PG cost than the Gallente (High PG low CPU) ion pistol.

Please return the PG back to where it was, and perhaps raise CPU a bit.

The weapon is in so dire need of a buff (even more than ion IMHO due to its low mag size as well as not being hit scan), that it would honestly be fine to just buff it and call it a day. The increased projectile speed with minimal splash radius buff and low mag size will make it a skillshot weapon already, making a fitting nerf a poor choice.

The pirate minja should be a thing, IMHO, and with the still poor fitting capabilities of the suit, the huge PG costs of the flay lock will castrate the build's viability before it could even come out.

It needs PG though, that is a requirement of any balance pass we make, to stop with the zero PG/CPU. It's too messy. The "it's a Minmatar Weapon so needs low PG" is also very hard to balance, since any race can use it. But I hear you, we can maybe tone it down.

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Master Smurf Nos Nothi 607	Posted - 2014.09.17 01:25:00 - [22021] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Numbers aren't final, chip in your thoughts. I am worried though about the "Bolt pistol is fine", vs bolt pistol needs a big buff. Moody is 2 and 3 shotting people at 60 m in his review and that's pretty good. what about a headshot dmg and nothing else? I personally say that the RoF needs to be increased, or the amount of time between shots decreased. The people being 2-3 shotted are more likely than not scouts or weak mediums. Id say that a HS multiplier would be nice too tho, and perhaps we can work from there. The real DPS of the bolt pistol is something around 250 IIRC, because of charge time stacking on top of delay between shots. Also, PLEASE reconsider the flay lock fitting nerf. Minmatar suits are low PG high CPU suits, so it makes no sense that our pistol should have a higher PG cost than the Gallente (High PG low CPU) ion pistol. Please return the PG back to where it was, and perhaps raise CPU a bit. The weapon is in so dire need of a buff (even more than ion IMHO due to its low mag size as well as not being hit scan), that it would honestly be fine to just buff it and call it a day. The increased projectile speed with minimal splash radius buff and low mag size will make it a skillshot weapon already, making a fitting nerf a poor choice. The pirate minja should be a thing, IMHO, and with the still poor fitting capabilities of the suit, the huge PG costs of the flay lock will castrate the build's viability before it could even come out. It needs PG though, that is a requirement of any balance pass we make, to stop with the zero PG/CPU. It's too messy. The "it's a Minmatar Weapon so needs low PG" is also very hard to balance, since any race can use it. But I hear you, we can maybe tone it down. I hate to point this out but that was CCP methodology and if you designed suits and weapons to marry with certain suits then it should follow through somewhat. If it doesnt then we have issues where certain races cant use their own weaponry without gimping themselves and others being more proficient with non native weaponry.... extremely poor design. I agree the 0 PG was poor execution because any race can use any weapon but going to the other extreme is just as misguided. It should be low PG (would prefer 0, 2, 4) and high CPU (say maybe another 10-20 CPU) as Gav said. "Shine bright like a diamond"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4158	Posted - 2014.09.17 01:50:00 - [22022] - Quote I don't see why there can't just be racial bonuses to weaponry. If Minmatar had a PG reduction to Minmatar weaponry, then you could enable them to equip their own weapons, while not giving other races an advantage for equipping it themselves. As it stands, low PG weapons like the CR only give the other races a fitting advantage when equipping CRs. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 474	Posted - 2014.09.17 01:55:00 - [22023] - Quote mollerz wrote: I'm pretty horrified by the fact that Destiny has a ******* sprint bug as well. FML. You'll never escape! You can't sprint away from it! Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 474	Posted - 2014.09.17 01:56:00 - [22024] - Quote Bolt pistol fire rate is fine imo, I just would've loved to see a range buff. Maybe a slight increase but range is what the BP needs to fill its niche. Magsec will probably overtake BP as the long range sidearm now. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
hfderrtgvcd 403	Posted - 2014.09.17 02:09:00 - [22025] - Quote IMO the bolt pistol is a terrible weapon. It has a pitiful dps, terrible damage per clip, and a really slow rof, making it useless in 1v1s. It's only really useful at picking off low hp suits that haven't noticed you from range, as moody does in his video. 9/10 times a magsec or a scrambler pistol would serve you better. If you're hesitant to buff damage or rof, a headshot bonus combined with lower falloff should probably do the trick. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1153	Posted - 2014.09.17 03:00:00 - [22026] - Quote Better compacts. Support this ****, yo. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175407 Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
Appia Vibbia 3797	Posted - 2014.09.17 03:33:00 - [22027] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: IMO the bolt pistol is a terrible weapon. It has a pitiful dps, terrible damage per clip, and a really slow rof, making it useless in 1v1s. It's only really useful at picking off low hp suits that haven't noticed you from range, as moody does in his video. 9/10 times a magsec or a scrambler pistol would serve you better. If you're hesitant to buff damage or rof, a headshot bonus combined with lower falloff should probably do the trick. iI didn't look close enough, were there changes to the Breach Scrambler Pistol? Because right now, I will choose the breach over the bolt for 2 reasons. Headshot damage, which I'm basically guaranteed to get from almost 2 years of practice, and larger clip. Increased clip size is what would sel me on the Bolt Pistol. Headshot bonus would be nice, but it has a lot of kick and that strange fire mechanics that don;t really allow headshots in hipfire mode for me. The Breach and Bolt both fire at a slow rate so it's closer to alpha type damage. The range difference isn't really important to me. Though search TY-5 in this thread and you'll come across me declaring my love for it many times over. Personal Theme Song
voidfaction Nos Nothi 526	Posted - 2014.09.17 03:37:00 - [22028] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: IMO the bolt pistol is a terrible weapon. It has a pitiful dps, terrible damage per clip, and a really slow rof, making it useless in 1v1s. It's only really useful at picking off low hp suits that haven't noticed you from range, as moody does in his video. 9/10 times a magsec or a scrambler pistol would serve you better. If you're hesitant to buff damage or rof, a headshot bonus combined with lower falloff should probably do the trick. iI didn't look close enough, were there changes to the Breach Scrambler Pistol? Because right now, I will choose the breach over the bolt for 2 reasons. Headshot damage, which I'm basically guaranteed to get from almost 2 years of practice, and larger clip. Increased clip size is what would sel me on the Bolt Pistol. Headshot bonus would be nice, but it has a lot of kick and that strange fire mechanics that don;t really allow headshots in hipfire mode for me. The Breach and Bolt both fire at a slow rate so it's closer to alpha type damage. The range difference isn't really important to me. Though search TY-5 in this thread and you'll come across me declaring my love for it many times over. And the Breach ScP is set to get a nice buff to dmg and ROF in delta. The cpu/pg is going up A LOT but still well worth it over the Bolt pistol
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1523	Posted - 2014.09.17 04:13:00 - [22029] - Quote Destiny is fun, just encountered the Vex (yes I know I'm slow). My habit of Headshotting is getting in the way ha. We'll bang, OK?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17764	Posted - 2014.09.17 05:15:00 - [22030] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spademan wrote: ~~The Ion pistol is getting shorter range? What?~~ Misread. And hey, .13 extra damage at proto...yay.... DPS is good and all, but I love the charging, and it's just as meh as before, bleh. Happy about the Assault Smg and ScP being made actually different rather than better. Probably shouldn't show my face when noob's around though... Also really happy with the Bolt pistol, didn't get much changes and I really don't think it needed much. But it's looking nice. We are reducing the heat buildup, to get a charge off and maybe 2 followups Oh wow - that's excellent. The forums have ruined me.

IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1759	Posted - 2014.09.17 05:16:00 - [22031] - Quote Oh maaaaan. What did shotty sign me up for this time I'll be gone this weekend. Sadly that's twice now I miss the MCC event. Shrug. Might have to assign shotty as my executor of state How are you guys out of isk? I probably saved about 600 million over my two years and very little of that is from PC earnings. Y'all just using it on tricks and hoes in the back alley....need to cut that out. Or stop blinging out your knives.... Saddens me that the best sidearm was neglected and not even included.....but alas probably a good thing ;) Destiny is still great. Enjoying myself fully and not grinding much at all, just playing with old friends. Some of them I hadn't heard their voice in a couple years. Feels great catching up again. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17764	Posted - 2014.09.17 05:18:00 - [22032] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Numbers aren't final, chip in your thoughts. I am worried though about the "Bolt pistol is fine", vs bolt pistol needs a big buff. Moody is 2 and 3 shotting people at 60 m in his review and that's pretty good. what about a headshot dmg and nothing else? He's 2 and 3 shotting weak suits, though. Headshot damage would be a neat little buff as a precision weapon but I feel like it would benefit from a slightly decreased charge time. The forums have ruined me.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 958	Posted - 2014.09.17 07:20:00 - [22033] - Quote Spademan wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Spademan wrote: Just so you know, Sidearm numbers are being posted tomorrow. Nice I hope they don't Flaylock the Flaylock even more I can't see them flaylocking the flaylock any more than it's already been flaylocked, I'm more concerned about the Smg getting flaylocked. Of course it'd also be pretty bad if the flaylocked got unflaylocked to much, or else we might be back in the days of the flaylock. There's a point when if you use a word in a sentence to much is starts to lose its meaning. I think I passed that with the third use of flaylock. You're a flaylock One Eyed King wrote: I have been to too many funerals myself. They are always rough. On a slightly related note, lets talk about this: o{ }o{ }o Am I the only one that looked at this and saw the open mandibles of two giant insects bearing down on me? Or a couple TMNT mousers? Scary. Possibly. I suspect I may be the only one that looked at this and saw a human centipede. hfderrtgvcd wrote: IMO the bolt pistol is a terrible weapon. It has a pitiful dps, terrible damage per clip, and a really slow rof, making it useless in 1v1s. It's only really useful at picking off low hp suits that haven't noticed you from range, as moody does in his video. 9/10 times a magsec or a scrambler pistol would serve you better. If you're hesitant to buff damage or rof, a headshot bonus combined with lower falloff should probably do the trick. I disagree. The bolt pistol is a very useful weapon. Use a shotgun for close up 1 v 1. The bolt pistol is a great side to run with shotty due to its range. I think it's as good as the scrambler pistol from the armour bonus perspective. But within 15m or so...it's terrible. Either close that gap and use SG, or increase it. That said, I haven't used it for a while because I'm always gonna be in love with the scrambler, even since the RoF stealth nerf. Gotta get those headshots yo. Speaking of headshots - and maybe this is just me being slow - anyone ever noticed how much easier it is to get them when you're higher than your opponent? I mean it kind of makes sense when you think about it - but it's not something I would've realised. Scrambler pistol from a rooftop is ridiculous haha. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 958	Posted - 2014.09.17 07:34:00 - [22034] - Quote Does anybody know the differences between destiny on PS3 versus PS4? Are there any? Does it play better on PS4, look better, etc etc.? Looking at buying it, but thinking of holding off until a) I can afford a PS4 (Jan sales then), b) a more balanced concensus has been reached of the game, and c) will there be anything to do in it in a week's time for all the level 25+ doods. I'm already slightly concerned that they're running an event that only allows level 25 to play it. WTF. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 958	Posted - 2014.09.17 07:37:00 - [22035] - Quote Missed out on a QPLAK there. Never mind. TPLAK You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1528	Posted - 2014.09.17 08:32:00 - [22036] - Quote Tried out the Crucible again (have largely been leaving that stuff until I finish the story) briefly before finishing for the day. Got the Moon map from the Alpha and Beta. Nice change up to the vehicles, they're less dominant though the Interceptor has been nerfed to the point of no longer being a threat. Which is a little sad but I've always preferred the Pike. Pike is still good and fun. It's weird, I hated the fusion rife in Alpha and Beta but now its one of my favourites, if you can time it right you can make very quick work of folks. I know a few reds had WTF moments. Now if only I could tighten that hipfire. Ducan, as for PS3 vs PS4. I have a PS4 I got at launch that has largely been gathering dust (hur hur) and playing Destiny is making me realise I need to put the previous gen away and move on. We'll bang, OK?
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1528	Posted - 2014.09.17 08:37:00 - [22037] - Quote Addendum: Let me put it this way, I'm giving serious consideration to not bothering with the million clone challenge. If I do I'll log in, do my 10 matches and log out. I already don't bother logging in for the daily SP We'll bang, OK?
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 338	Posted - 2014.09.17 09:30:00 - [22038] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Addendum: Let me put it this way, I'm giving serious consideration to not bothering with the million clone challenge. If I do I'll log in, do my 10 matches and log out. I already don't bother logging in for the daily SP That's what the scout and heavy spam makes dust like in general at the mo. Theres about 200 scouts not on that board that should be and a whole bunch of nubs. What kind of list is that exactly?, dusts worst scout registry?. Hello, world!
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1528	Posted - 2014.09.17 12:15:00 - [22039] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: Addendum: Let me put it this way, I'm giving serious consideration to not bothering with the million clone challenge. If I do I'll log in, do my 10 matches and log out. I already don't bother logging in for the daily SP That's what the scout and heavy spam makes dust like in general at the mo. My sig defines 99% of you. Oh hey, impotent nerd rage, that's a new one. But yeah, there's been many of us calling for a solution to the fire from cloak issue. As I put it: Bayeth Mal wrote: The firing from cloak exploit is to Shotgunning what the Redline is to Sniping. We'll bang, OK?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4940	Posted - 2014.09.17 12:21:00 - [22040] - Quote Sidearm stats are suddenly exciting ... Will be strange experience to die to a Bolt or Ion Pistol :-) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Haerr Legio DXIV 1411	Posted - 2014.09.17 15:20:00 - [22041] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Sidearm stats ... suddenly exciting :-) Will be strange to die by Bolt or IoP. That BP + Gal Scout = sad smiley ·
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3626	Posted - 2014.09.17 15:42:00 - [22042] - Quote That bolt pistol is looking deadly. On the Ion Pistol: Would it be possible to increase damage per shot by about 10 points? Or would that be too much? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 338	Posted - 2014.09.17 15:56:00 - [22043] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: Addendum: Let me put it this way, I'm giving serious consideration to not bothering with the million clone challenge. If I do I'll log in, do my 10 matches and log out. I already don't bother logging in for the daily SP That's what the scout and heavy spam makes dust like in general at the mo. My sig defines 99% of you. Oh hey, impotent nerd rage, that's a new one. But yeah, there's been many of us calling for a solution to the fire from cloak issue. As I put it: Bayeth Mal wrote: The firing from cloak exploit is to Shotgunning what the Redline is to Sniping. And as such I put away my Shotgun shortly after 1.8 came out. Started feeling like a scrub weapon. Grrrr,aarrrgh. 'Scouts are balanced' checks wallhacks, sprints the fastest in the game and shotguns out of cloak Mad skills bro...
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3626	Posted - 2014.09.17 16:26:00 - [22044] - Quote So how's this going? I'm going to check it out later, see how good it is. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 479	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:28:00 - [22045] - Quote Spademan wrote: That bolt pistol is looking deadly. On the Ion Pistol: Would it be possible to increase damage per shot by about 10 points? Or would that be too much? Best to post that in the balance thread, devs don't seem to lurk the barbershop much unless they want some very specific feedback Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3627	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:29:00 - [22046] - Quote Eh, I figured I would here since he responded to me here and not in the thread. I'll wait until tomorrow if it isn't seen by then. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4174	Posted - 2014.09.17 19:13:00 - [22047] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Does anybody know the differences between destiny on PS3 versus PS4? Are there any? Does it play better on PS4, look better, etc etc.? Looking at buying it, but thinking of holding off until a) I can afford a PS4 (Jan sales then), b) a more balanced concensus has been reached of the game, and c) will there be anything to do in it in a week's time for all the level 25+ doods. I'm already slightly concerned that they're running an event that only allows level 25 to play it. WTF. Having played beta on the PS3 and the full game on the PS4, I really notice the difference. It is mainly graphical of course, and it could be all in my head, but I really like it and notice the differences a lot. If you are really uncertain, but it digitally. If you buy Destiny digitally before January, you get both the PS3 AND PS4 versions, so if you want to eventually go next gen with it, you won't have to pay the extra money, and your character will already be there. You can even use them interchangeably and your character will always be up to date. You can always tell a Millford Minja
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4174	Posted - 2014.09.17 19:16:00 - [22048] - Quote Spademan wrote: So how's this going? I'm going to check it out later, see how good it is. F*ck yes! Now if only I had more time to play games... Good thing winter is around the corner. You can always tell a Millford Minja
hfderrtgvcd 415	Posted - 2014.09.17 20:05:00 - [22049] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: IMO the bolt pistol is a terrible weapon. It has a pitiful dps, terrible damage per clip, and a really slow rof, making it useless in 1v1s. It's only really useful at picking off low hp suits that haven't noticed you from range, as moody does in his video. 9/10 times a magsec or a scrambler pistol would serve you better. If you're hesitant to buff damage or rof, a headshot bonus combined with lower falloff should probably do the trick. I disagree. The bolt pistol is a very useful weapon. Use a shotgun for close up 1 v 1. The bolt pistol is a great side to run with shotty due to its range. I think it's as good as the scrambler pistol from the armour bonus perspective. But within 15m or so...it's terrible. Either close that gap and use SG, or increase it. That said, I haven't used it for a while because I'm always gonna be in love with the scrambler, even since the RoF stealth nerf. Gotta get those headshots yo. Speaking of headshots - and maybe this is just me being slow - anyone ever noticed how much easier it is to get them when you're higher than your opponent? I mean it kind of makes sense when you think about it - but it's not something I would've realised. Scrambler pistol from a rooftop is ridiculous haha. I always use the smg on my shotgun fits. I can't stand when someone backpedals out of my range with just a sliver of health and guns me down. Its also great for baiting people into RE traps You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3631	Posted - 2014.09.17 20:05:00 - [22050] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Spademan wrote: So how's this going? I'm going to check it out later, see how good it is. Fck yes! Now if only I had more time to play games... Good thing winter is around the corner. So I played about 4 games today. First 3 were ambushes, all completely one sided. Looked like match making was worse than before. But then I did a domination and got a great match. Absolutely superb. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community*



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