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Appia Vibbia wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Are plated scouts really that much of an issue?
I personally find Caldari scouts to be infinitely more annoying than any other scout.
The current speed penalty is enough to make any plated scout a really easy target.

Yes; brick is our biggest issue. Have a look at the next Nyain San "scout" you bump into. 500+ armor on a scout suit should come with steep penalty. If you want to be a medframe, run a f*cking medframe.

Shields are far less an issue than armor, but we're likely still going to have problem with CalScouts post Charlie. These will shift from precision hunters to hit-and-run brawlers. There isn't anything inherently imbalanced about this; they'll be insta-gibbed by SG, ScR, HMG and flux+anything. The problem with the CalScout isn't its shields, the problem CalScouts is that HD isn't keeping up with strafe speed and acceleration (which we should push to fix in Delta).

As someone that's been running a plated scout since. . . forever ago, I'm going to disagree with you. I made my case why I need 500EHP for CQC combat. It's a hallmark of Gallente to be fast, high damage, high HP

Shotty, I think you're progressed from "not making scouts a target of nerfs" to hampering alternative playstyles here.

Taking away the static bonuses and making them module dependent is all you need.

We don;t need to take punitive actions because people aren't playing scouts the way you want them to.

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knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1142	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:55:00 - [18511] - Quote BTW i need some people to play with on destiny so if yyour interested add my psn: neonraver693 SP earned perday/week
LeGoose SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 459	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:56:00 - [18512] - Quote Anyone else getting the old dust coms bug in destiny when doing a fire team? Also have you found a consistent way to fix it? Click it! I dare you...
mollerz 4314	Posted - 2014.07.24 04:47:00 - [18513] - Quote LeGoose wrote: Anyone else getting the old dust coms bug in destiny when doing a fire team? Also have you found a consistent way to fix it? You know what I am periodically getting... ***** sprint bug. Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before? Then vote Appia for CPM1**
mollerz 4314	Posted - 2014.07.24 04:50:00 - [18514] - Quote DPLAK Just to check it out, I threw down three months into eve. Foud out they nerfed my crow But the worst part was getting the game to work right proper out the launch gate.. but got that down. so I jumped into my claw and heading to jita. Funny. I now have an all new perspectiv eon eve cause of dust. I'm going to see if I can go kill soem people. let me know if you'd like to join. I'm on a mission to figure out the mk.0 equivalent Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before? Then vote Appia for CPM1
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4472	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:00:00 - [18515] - Quote mollerz wrote: DPLAK Just to check it out, I threw down three months into eve. Foud out they nerfed my crow But the worst part was getting the game to work right proper out the launch gate.. but got that down. so I jumped into my claw and heading to jita. Funny. I now have an all new perspectiv eon eve cause of dust. I'm going to see if I can go kill soem people. let me know if you'd like to join. I'm on a mission to figure out the mk.0 equivalent Wait so you hate EVE because of Dust? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
General John Ripper 22497	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:19:00 - [18516] - Quote mollerz wrote: LeGoose wrote: Anyone else getting the old dust coms bug in destiny when doing a fire team? Also have you found a consistent way to fix it? You know what I am periodically getting... ******* sprint bug. You do know how to fix the bug ingame without killing yourself, right? Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
Immortal John Ripper 22497	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:19:00 - [18517] - Quote mollerz wrote: LeGoose wrote: Anyone else getting the old dust coms bug in destiny when doing a fire team? Also have you found a consistent way to fix it? You know what I am periodically getting... ******* sprint bug. You do know how to fix the bug ingame without killing yourself, right? Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1958	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:29:00 - [18518] - Quote mollerz wrote: DPLAK Just to check it out, I threw down three months into eve. Foud out they nerfed my crow But the worst part was getting the game to work right proper out the launch gate.. but got that down. so I jumped into my claw and heading to jita. Funny. I now have an all new perspectiv eon eve cause of dust. I'm going to see if I can go kill soem people. let me know if you'd like to join. I'm on a mission to figure out the mk.0 equivalent http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wolf or http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Jaguar Assault frigates for the win. It's the reason I play Minmatar scout in dust. Knowledge is power
mollerz 4316	Posted - 2014.07.24 07:30:00 - [18519] - Quote So what did you fit in them? I have bith... Maxed skills. Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before? Then vote Appia for CPM1
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1959	Posted - 2014.07.24 08:51:00 - [18520] - Quote mollerz wrote: So what did you fit in them? I have bith... Maxed skills. Had an artillery sniper wolf for mission running and a speed tanked auto-cannon jaguar for rat hunting. And various rifters for low/null sec trolling, runner fits and tackling. I kind of see the jag/wolf as the mk.0, and the M/1 as the rifter. Knowledge is power

Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 905	Posted - 2014.07.24 12:00:00 - [18521] - Quote Walks back inside Needed some fresh air so I went out and yelled at a bunch of random strangers. Feels good. Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others Hit me up for Skype and PSN
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2447	Posted - 2014.07.24 12:03:00 - [18522] - Quote Well, there goes another plane. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 354	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:14:00 - [18523] - Quote mollerz wrote: So what did you fit in them? I have bith... Maxed skills. 150mm ACs, AB, Scrambler, armor tank (plate, repper, adaptive nano, suitcase and a gyrostab, should all fit with Elec/Eng 5 and Wu/AWU 5. That's my old Wolf fit. Your engagement envelope is pretty wide, stay away from missile cruisers/BCs, but you'll kill most cruisers that aren't built on the Stabber or Caracal hull and most turret based BCs. Provided you can get 'em alone, just get under their guns and profit from the loot they drop. It's a Wolf, you'll fight in falloff, your guns will reach 13km, most effective inside of your 9km scram range anyway. It looks like: [Wolf, mk.0] 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S Small Nosferatu II Small Projectile Ambit Extension I Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Carry Faction EMP and Fusion S for higher DPS, carry Hail for killing larger stuff like Hurricanes and Myrmidons (Kill their drones first!) #missingeve #needajob Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3680	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:34:00 - [18524] - Quote mollerz wrote: LeGoose wrote: Anyone else getting the old dust coms bug in destiny when doing a fire team? Also have you found a consistent way to fix it? You know what I am periodically getting... ***** sprint bug. Periodically?! I get that crap every ***** time. It's easy to reproduce. Personal Theme Song
mollerz 4320	Posted - 2014.07.24 15:29:00 - [18525] - Quote Spademan wrote: Well, there goes another plane. Flying is getting damn dangerous out there Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before? Then vote Appia for CPM1
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11228	Posted - 2014.07.24 15:31:00 - [18526] - Quote Still safer than driving with my mother. Shudders Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
mollerz 4320	Posted - 2014.07.24 15:37:00 - [18527] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: mollerz wrote: LeGoose wrote: Anyone else getting the old dust coms bug in destiny when doing a fire team? Also have you found a consistent way to fix it? You know what I am periodically getting... ***** sprint bug. Periodically?! I get that crap every *** time. It's easy to reproduce. I wonder if the PS3 is more prone to it? Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before? Then vote Appia for CPM1**
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3234	Posted - 2014.07.24 16:28:00 - [18528] - Quote Preliminary Delta Wish List ... 1) Implement efficacy bonuses earlier discussed (still need something for Cal) 2) Double movement penalty of plates on Scouts (excludes ferro/reactive) 3) Improvements to vanilla shotgun (increase optimal range, increase RoF) 4) Improvements to breach shotgun (increase optimal range, increase damage, greatly increase RoF) 5) Improvements to sidearms (all on par with SMG) 6) Improvements to movement mechanics (reduce strafe acceleration, reduce backpedal speed) 7) More hamsters, fewer lag spikes Thoughts? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11229	Posted - 2014.07.24 16:49:00 - [18529] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Preliminary Delta Wish List ... 1) Implement efficacy bonuses earlier discussed (still need something for Cal) 2) Double movement penalty of plates on Scouts (excludes ferro/reactive) 3) Improvements to vanilla shotgun (increase optimal range, increase RoF) 4) Improvements to breach shotgun (increase optimal range, increase damage, greatly increase RoF) 5) Improvements to sidearms (all on par with SMG) 6) Improvements to movement mechanics (reduce strafe acceleration, reduce backpedal speed) 7) More hamsters, fewer lag spikes Thoughts? Are plated scouts really that much of an issue? I personally find Caldari scouts to be infinitely more annoying than any other scout. The current speed penalty is enough to make any plated scout a really easy target. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3241	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:11:00 - [18530] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Are plated scouts really that much of an issue? I personally find Caldari scouts to be infinitely more annoying than any other scout. The current speed penalty is enough to make any plated scout a really easy target. Yes; brick is our biggest issue. Have a look at the next Nyain San "scout" you bump into. 500+ armor on a scout suit should come with steep penalty. If you want to be a medframe, run a f*cking medframe. Shields are far less an issue than armor, but we're likely still going to have problem with CalScout "slayers" post Charlie. We will see a shift in their ranks from precision hunters toward heavily shielded, hit-and-run brawlers. Though there isn't anything inherently imbalanced about this; they'll be insta-gibbed by SG, AR, ScR, HMG and flux+anything. The problem with the CalScout isn't its shields, the problem CalScouts is that HD isn't keeping up with strafe speed and acceleration (which we should push to fix in Delta). Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 623	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:36:00 - [18531] - Quote mollerz wrote: yea he's cool and all.. but really, it's all about Summer Glau No. Immortal John Ripper wrote: am I the only person on dust who has never used Officer gear, in pc or in pubs? No. Matticus Monk wrote: DPLAK, Never used officer gear. But I really want to make a Cala's/Woflman's fit. And a Krin's/Cala's fit.... (check out the hipfire accuracy on the Krin's, you AR specialists.... (BOJO)) DROOL.... Dat Wolfman's tho! Bayeth Mal wrote: You can share my dampening bonus if I can share your hack speed. It just comes down to the issue of too many bonuses. While I don't think adding the Damps would be absurdly OP (I actually suggested it back when Rattati was here asking questions), let the proposed Charlie changes go through and then re-assess from there. The key aspect is if anything changes in relation to shared passives. This will be far more important than any one change. Whether it will be good or bad I'm not sure. I tend to agree...surely the min scout can't have it all? I thought Charlie was gonna give all scouts the possibility to stay off any scan by fitting the right mods, plus cloak (except Gal) depending on the scan strength. If Minnie can stay off p.scan innately, what should the other scouts get to compensate? It probably wouldn't matter, coz everyone would play Minja....wouldn't they? Back to the same old problem - all scouts should be off all p.scans - there should be no precision bonuses (which removes the need for dampening bonuses). Being scanned is scout death, so how can you make a suit that innately gets to see others and then solve the balance issue? Ditch precision + dampening bonuses, and figure out what the hell Amarr, Cal and Gal are supposed to be :-o Are there enough bonuses to go around? - nova knives (situationally farking awesome) - hack speed (skirmish mastery) - stamina (meh unless Appia :) ) - range bonus (applies to non-light-frame innate 50dB minimum only) Heavies can't see anything Assaults can't see logis or scouts Logis can't see scouts Scouts can't see scouts By the way, no point being dampened when hacking if you're hacking a letter. Just like a good computer hacker, you can even tell what the suit is by measuring the time-to-hack ;-) You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3685	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:46:00 - [18532] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Are plated scouts really that much of an issue? I personally find Caldari scouts to be infinitely more annoying than any other scout. The current speed penalty is enough to make any plated scout a really easy target. Yes; brick is our biggest issue. Have a look at the next Nyain San "scout" you bump into. 500+ armor on a scout suit should come with steep penalty. If you want to be a medframe, run a f*cking medframe. Shields are far less an issue than armor, but we're likely still going to have problem with CalScouts post Charlie. These will shift from precision hunters to hit-and-run brawlers. There isn't anything inherently imbalanced about this; they'll be insta-gibbed by SG, ScR, HMG and flux+anything. The problem with the CalScout isn't its shields, the problem CalScouts is that HD isn't keeping up with strafe speed and acceleration (which we should push to fix in Delta). As someone that's been running a plated scout since. . . forever ago, I'm going to disagree with you. I made my case why I need 500EHP for CQC combat. It's a hallmark of Gallente to be fast, high damage, high HP Shotty, I think you're progressed from "not making scouts a target of nerfs" to hampering alternative playstyles here. Taking away the static bonuses and making them module dependent is all you need. We don;t need to take punitive actions because people aren't playing scouts the way you want them to. Personal Theme Song
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3685	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:49:00 - [18533] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: By the way, no point being dampened when hacking if you're hacking a letter. Just like a good computer hacker, you can even tell what the suit is by measuring the time-to-hack ;-) You need dampening to get too the point to hack it first through. And because you can be off to the side, unless an M8 packed or Core Locus is tossed your way being invisible while you're pushed to one side can be a great advantage to finish off the hack before they kill you. Personal Theme Song
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3685	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:50:00 - [18534] - Quote TPLAK, Jewel Staite > Summer Glau Personal Theme Song
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11230	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:59:00 - [18535] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Are plated scouts really that much of an issue? I personally find Caldari scouts to be infinitely more annoying than any other scout. The current speed penalty is enough to make any plated scout a really easy target. Yes; brick is our biggest issue. Have a look at the next Nyain San "scout" you bump into. 500+ armor on a scout suit should come with steep penalty. If you want to be a medframe, run a f*cking medframe. Shields are far less an issue than armor, but we're likely still going to have problem with CalScouts post Charlie. These will shift from precision hunters to hit-and-run brawlers. There isn't anything inherently imbalanced about this; they'll be insta-gibbed by SG, ScR, HMG and flux+anything. The problem with the CalScout isn't its shields, the problem CalScouts is that HD isn't keeping up with strafe speed and acceleration (which we should push to fix in Delta). As someone that's been running a plated scout since. . . forever ago, I'm going to disagree with you. I made my case why I need 500EHP for CQC combat. It's a hallmark of Gallente to be fast, high damage, high HP Shotty, I think you're progressed from "not making scouts a target of nerfs" to hampering alternative playstyles here. Taking away the static bonuses and making them module dependent is all you need. We don;t need to take punitive actions because people aren't playing scouts the way you want them to. Actually Gallente are fast, high damage, medium HP but regenerative. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
mollerz 4321	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:11:00 - [18536] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: By the way, no point being dampened when hacking if you're hacking a letter. Just like a good computer hacker, you can even tell what the suit is by measuring the time-to-hack ;-) You need dampening to get too the point to hack it first through. And because you can be off to the side, unless an M8 packed or Core Locus is tossed your way being invisible while you're pushed to one side can be a great advantage to finish off the hack before they kill you. Plus, escaping cloaked as that LAheaVy bears down on you helps as well. Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before? Then vote Appia for CPM1
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3244	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:11:00 - [18537] - Quote @ Appia If our weapons hit harder, we'd get in and out faster and there'd be less need for HP buffer. High risk, high reward. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Killar-12 The Exemplars Top Men. 3022	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:13:00 - [18538] - Quote Hey, keep getting the scouts nerfed, I'll be happy when I don't need to deal with those shotguns in PC. I am an Idiot, and so are you!
mollerz 4321	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:13:00 - [18539] - Quote Maybe I'm just used to high alpha damage capabilities, but I never saw a problem with slayer scouts. As far as the minja- am I understanding the directional push is to make a minja undetectable with lv 5 dampening skill, 1 c damp, and an active cloak? When the cloak isn't active other scouts can pick him up, however? Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before? Then vote Appia for CPM1
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11231	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:31:00 - [18540] - Quote There isn't a problem with slayer scouts, there is a problem when they outdo the dedicated slayer suit in almost every way in addition to having complete superiority in other areas. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC



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